User talk:Alansohn/Archive 16

Contents [hide] 1 About Me 2 A matter of good and evil 3 Dumping poop 4 Words of wisdom from our leader 5 Barnstar 6 Areas of Focus 7 More... 8 Userified articles 9 References

About Me

This user lives in the state of New Jersey.

I have a particular interest in local area and New Jersey governmental topics. I have been gathering information about New Jersey and its municipalities, and I am looking to create a structure to load expanded information into pages for all of New Jersey's 566 municipalities, as well as consolidating other encyclopedic information about New Jersey.

A matter of good and evil We all have our pluses and minuses, both in real life and in Wikipedia. The problem is that most admins treat people on a binary basis -- you are either good or you are evil -- failing to recognize the positives in the people they deem evil and failing to see the negatives of the people they have judged good. The goal ought to be to seek ways to maximize the positive from each editor. Wikipedia:Blocking policy's mandate is that blocks are intended "to protect the project from harm, and reduce likely future problems", an approach that might have some success with vandals. The unfortunate reality is that blocks to experienced editors end up being punitive. They are applied in an "all your edits are bad" approach that fails to solve the issue at hand and only ends up creating more problems than they seek to solve. The real problem is finding admins who have the common sense needed to apply blocks that push people from areas where there are challenges to areas where they genuinely benefit this project.

Dumping poop Between Huggle and AWB -- and I use both -- we have turned so much of Wikipedia editing into a mindless game in which undoing the addition of the word "poop" counts as progress. Spending even a few minutes on Huggle, let alone an hour, it's clear that the vast majority of IP editors have no interest whatsoever in improving this encyclopedia. By allowing these vandalism reversions to count towards building a high score, we encourage our most productive editors to accomplish almost absolutely nothing, in terms of forward progress. The encyclopedia isn't better, it's just less bad. With even the flimsiest registration process, we could get rid of most of our vandals and free up huge amounts of time from people who really want to do work to help. Our top five editors have 1 million edits between them. If most of this was vandalism reverting and error correction that could be done by bots, we'd have freed up thousands of hours that could have been used productively. It's time we found some way to rank users by how much they've added to the encyclopedia, not how much "poop" they've removed.

Words of wisdom from our leader Let me make my point more clear: arguments about what we ought to [do] if someone really starts to abuse wikipedia with thousands and thousands of trivial articles do not prove that we ought to delete any and every article that's too trivial today. Put another way: if someone wants to write an article about their high school, we should relax and accomodate them, even if we wish they wouldn't do it. And that's true *even if* we should react differently if someone comes in and starts mass-adding articles on every high school in the world. Let me make this more concrete. Let's say I start writing an article about my high school, Randolph School, of Huntsville, Alabama. I could write a decent 2 page article about it, citing information that can easily be verified by anyone who visits their website. Then I think people should relax and accomodate [sic] me. It isn't hurting anything. It'd be a good article, I'm a good contributor, and so cutting me some slack is a very reasonable thing to do. That's true *even if* we'd react differently to a ton of one-liners mass-imported saying nothing more than "Randolph School is a private school in Huntsville, Alabama, US" and "Indian Springs is a private school in Birmingham, Alabama, US" and on and on and on, ad nauseum. The argument "what if someone did this particular thing 100,000 times" is not a valid argument against letting them do it a few times. --Jimbo (dated November 7, 2003[1])

Barnstar

 The Award of the Arabian Barnstar

I, Ralhazzaa, hereby award you with the Award of the Arabian Barnstar due to your appreciated and significant contributions in starting and editing articles related to the Arab world and culture, والسلام عليكم

DYK for Mark Rosenberg

Number 279 (171 create/expand - 108 nominations)

On 16 December, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Mark Rosenberg, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 04:37, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Robert Shapiro (film producer)

Number 280 (172 create/expand - 108 nominations)

On 16 December, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Robert Shapiro (film producer), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 04:37, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much

Thank you very much for your generous offer to call on you for free access to the New York Times archive. I greatly appreciate this. Ecoleetage (talk) 16:09, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ecoleetage (talk) has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend, Go on smile! Cheers, and Happy editing!=)
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Francesco Barbaro

Hi, I got your message about the F. Barbaro page. I think some where down the line there was a mixup with reverting since the page I brought up has a very good sourcing for francesco Barbaro that is cited. It is the link of Bucher that you can see for yourself.. I think the problem in the past may have been that people did not open the BARBARO.htm link once you get to the Bucher link...but if you do, you will see that all info is coming from Bucher and cited as such... it is a good source to use and with much more excellent facts about his writings and associations. Thanks63.26.48.122 (talk) 19:46, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No problem, have a great holiday and new year!!!63.26.134.182 (talk) 20:49, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for New York Board of Rabbis

Number 281 (173 create/expand - 108 nominations)

On 16 December, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article New York Board of Rabbis, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 22:52, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I Think You Have Earned One of These Shiny Things...

		The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
		I hereby award Alansohn this barnstar for being so helpful on vandal patrol. Nice work :)! ¤~Persian Poet Gal ^(talk) 22:56, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

For reverting vandalism on my userpage

		The Special Barnstar
		Thanks much for reverting the userpage vandalism in my userspace. I really appreciate it. Cheers! KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 01:03, 17 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

New article

Wooden synagogue I only wish I had photos of some of the more elaborate examples.Historicist (talk) 22:28, 17 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jimmy Hoffa

Can you help me? The Jimmy Hoffa page has been edited by Stephen J. Anderson. The information I put on there is for public use. Charles Brandt and I have been working together on this case for two years. Stephen seems to be taking that personally by saying things like "Another investigation that went nowhere." I would like to have this information I provided for the public left alone.--Spectre7277 (talk) 04:10, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Asher Lopatin

Number 262 (154 create/expand - 108 nominations)

On 2 December, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Asher Lopatin, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 07:52, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You've just sent a message about some sort of vandalism to an airline article (British Caledonian). This is a shared computer (one of 52) in the new library in Crawley, West Sussex, UK, mate! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.194.221.231 (talk) 18:32, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Thanks for reverting vandal :-) BigDunc^Talk 22:53, 17 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As always, it's my pleasure t be able to help another editor. Alansohn (talk) 15:22, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why the delete?

You deleted my external link, and its just a blog that offers sales techniques. There is another blog already listed there that offers the same thing. Why hasn't it been deleted then?!? —Preceding unsigned comment added by StephenHenderson (talk • contribs) 19:14, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What's your problem?

What kind of external links are allowed then? Now you go and delete ALL of them? What the hell is the point of having a section for external links? I have a blog for a very specific group of people that I'm sure would be much appreciative of being able to find the information.

From Wikipedia guidelines... There are several things that should be considered when adding an external link.

   * Is the site content accessible to the reader?
   * Is the site content proper in the context of the article (useful, tasteful, informative, factual, etc.)?
   * Is the link functional and likely to remain functional?

The blog I linked is a "Yes" to all of these. What's the issue? —Preceding unsigned comment added by StephenHenderson (talk • contribs) 19:21, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

New Jersey County Colleges

i was assessing nj articles and came across New Jersey County Colleges. Should this be a list? shirulashem (talk) 21:14, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

User page vandalism - thanks

Thanks for reverting vandalism to my page. It seems to be something you do regularly, so keep up the good work! JRawle (Talk) 22:12, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's always a pleasure to watch a fellow Wikipedian's back.

DYK for 730 (transport)

Number 282 (174 create/expand - 108 nominations)

On 18 December, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article 730 (transport), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 23:32, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The edits on nazi Philosophers

See the talk page for this, we agreed to shift the headings to ones that made sense for the article

Understood. I will leave it unchanged. Alansohn (talk) 15:08, 19 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Distraction!

Creates a distraction while he reverts* hehe. You're real good at using Huggle. Nice job. Until It Sleeps 17:07, 19 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks. It's always a pleasure to revert vandalism, though I'd love to get rid of the vandals in the first place. Alansohn (talk) 17:55, 19 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Shanty Hogan

Number 283 (175 create/expand - 108 nominations)

On 19 December, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Shanty Hogan, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 17:47, 19 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Just wanted to say nice work on this article. :-) Wickethewok (talk) 17:55, 19 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for the notice. I found Hogan through Andy Cohen (baseball), and it was clear that Hogan was a great subject for an article. Alansohn (talk) 18:02, 19 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you

I thank you for the explanation and for looking into my edits regarding the Jimmy Hoffa page. If it is deemed NOR and I am unable to put the information there myself, would you be able to place the info there if you find it important? Your help would be most appreciated. --Spectre7277 (talk) 19:39, 19 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Robin Toner

Number 284 (175 create/expand - 109 nominations)

On 19 December, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Robin Toner, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 23:55, 19 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Table to Table

Number 285 (175 create/expand - 110 nominations)

On 20 December, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Table to Table, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 05:58, 20 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Speculation

Please see the discussion at Talk:United States House of Representatives special elections in Illinois, 2009#Remove speculation.—Markles 15:22, 20 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for William Stevens

Number 286 (176 create/expand - 110 nominations)

On 20 December, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article William Stevens, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 18:07, 20 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Frank Prewitt page needs deletion

It appears the author of the "Frank Prewitt" page is no other than J. Frank Prewitt himself. He is an individual with at least a 15-year history of questionable behavior who has admitted on the stand during a federal trial of one of the criminal defendants that he committed illegal acts. He claims that he did not become a government informant under pressure, but instead acted as a good citizen. Little exists to substantiate that claim. In an extraordinary act of self-justification, he authored a poorly written book to exonerate himself and recast himself as the hero of the whole affair. As part of his page, the book jacket, both cover and promotional text, are included.

I have made attempts to correct his page to reflect reality, but he has it on a watch list and amends each correction to again promote himself.

His page exemplifies what is prohibited by Wikipedia, self-promotion, conflict of interest and advertising. After my attempts to delete it, in whole or part, you have reverted my deletions without reading or taking a moment to understand my reasons for having done so. I see nothing to be proud of. You are not preventing vandalism, but in fact are assisting anti-Wikipedia content policies. There is no reason that Wikipedia should be supporting this individual's web page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Activist (talk • contribs) 15:29, 21 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Talk page

Thanks for the revert. CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 18:08, 21 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Andy Cohen (baseball)

Number 287 (177 create/expand - 110 nominations)

On 21 December, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Andy Cohen (baseball), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 18:27, 21 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Request for speedy deletion

Despite your rationalization for keeping the Frank Prewitt page, you have ignored Wikipedia criteria. Notability alone does not merit inclusion. The page is question is wholly self-promotion, represents the clearest expression of conflict of interest, and contains intact advertising for the author's book with a picture of the cover and entire blurb from the back of the book. All three of these are valid reasons for speedy deletion of the entire page. It can't be "fixed." Its continued inclusion would be tantamount to allowing OJ Simpson to author a page based on his "If I Did It" book, complete with advertising materials, as your argument of "notability" could be easily made. This is not a hypothetical premise: http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/If_I_Did_It

I did consider the accepted reasons for speedy deletion before I deleted it. Here's one: "Blatant advertising. Pages which exclusively promote some entity and which would need to be fundamentally rewritten to become encyclopedic. Note that simply having a company or product as its subject does not qualify an article for this criterion."

I would appreciate it if you would set aside your investment in your reversion and instead carefully consider the page in question objectively. If you set about the task of fixing it, how would you begin? What parts of it would be worthy of preservation? Why should anyone be allow to invent and perpetuate a myth about him or herself, and to control the content almost free of criticism? He is not doing this just on Wikipedia, but has done the same thing with review of his pathetic book (I've read it, of course) on Amazon, forcing Amazon to remove legitimate criticism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Activist (talk • contribs) 19:30, 21 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Bayeux War Cemetery

Number 288 (177 create/expand - 111 nominations)

On 22 December, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Bayeux War Cemetery, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 00:33, 22 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Anti-vandalism efforts

		The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
		Repeatedly beating me to the Q button on Huggle. Carry on fighting! Optakeover (talk) 03:48, 22 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the kind words. Keep up the fight yourself. Alansohn (talk) 04:15, 22 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Message on talk page

Just because I edit under an IP doesn't mean that I am a vandal. You should really be more careful next time. 71.213.211.133 (talk) 03:56, 22 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Mildred Constantine

Number 289 (178 create/expand - 111 nominations)

On 22 December, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Mildred Constantine, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 18:51, 22 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Recent Change

Alanson, on the Subject of History of Terrorism you will find on the discussion section my very valid reason for the change in the Irish Republican Army. Auto reverting to something that is wrong should not be a policy on wikipedia.Slowey55 (talk) 21:17, 22 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The best way to ensure that these changes wion't be reverted, especially when reliable sources are removed, is to provide a clear and concise explanation of your changes in the edit summary. Edits that remove source and that offer no explanations are cardinal examples of vanalism. Alansohn (talk) 21:19, 22 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I realise that now and have rectified the summary, but unfortunately something has gone wrong with the font format. Could tell me how fix that please?Slowey55 (talk) 21:32, 22 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In which article? Alansohn (talk) 21:33, 22 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The History of TerrorismSlowey55 (talk) 21:36, 22 December 2008 (UTC) Thank youSlowey55 (talk) 21:40, 22 December 2008 (UTC) I have been accused of disruptive editing and vandalism. Where did this come from when my edits have been good intentional and constructive?[reply]

Ed Snider

Cut me a break. Nothing in what I wrote is untrue. I sourced everthing. I will cut out some of the "personal comments", but the facts should stand as they are.--12.147.221.46 (talk) 22:30, 22 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Provide the material in objective fashion. Your edit, as you wrote it, is vandalism. Alansohn (talk) 22:32, 22 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I just did as you asked.--12.147.221.46 (talk) 22:33, 22 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi

Hi, what is short?? it was a quote!! in wikipedia enciclopedy is not forbidden the quotes!!! i dont' understand beacause you and El greco erase it! --Denver85 (talk) 00:40, 23 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Use of rather non-standard formatting using the math functions, with inconsistent capitalization from a user with a very small number of edits is probably what did it. I would suggest using standard formatting and providing clear edit summaries to expalin your edits. Alansohn (talk) 00:43, 23 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

RE: Odette Yustman

Hey there! I stumbled upon what might be a misunderstanding between you and an IP editor concerning his contributions to Odette Yustman concerning a recent revealing poster for her upcoming film Unborn. The IP editor believes you kept on reverting his edits in spite of his providing a citation. Could you please address this here to clear up any possible confusion? Thanks. — Cinemaniac (talk • contribs) 02:23, 23 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The point is

The article is really on cracked.com as you can see by the link.. not so good for wikipedia I think --93.146.192.42 (talk) 04:21, 23 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Alansohn (talk) 04:25, 23 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Carol Chomsky

Number 290 (179 create/expand - 111 nominations)

On 23 December, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Carol Chomsky, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 06:46, 23 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Peace

Hello, Alansohn. I know that we bumped heads once or twice before on AFD/DRV's, and I wanted to mention that I have noticed your persistent contributions and improvements to wikipedia. I hope that there are no hard feelings about the time or two that we argued. I respect you as a wikipedian, and would like to consider you an ally. Thanks, Jerry delusional ¤ kangaroo 05:09, 23 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My goal has always been to make Wikipedia better by adding and improving articles. I hope I have not offended you at any time in the past and that we can all work together to build a better encyclopedia. Alansohn (talk) 14:47, 23 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Warning

Welcome to Wikipedia, and thank you for your contributions. One of the core policies of Wikipedia is that articles should always be written from a neutral point of view. A contribution you made to Muhammad Ali Jinnah appears to carry a non-neutral point of view, and your edit may have been changed or reverted to correct the problem. Please remember to observe our core policies. Thank you. Stop adding the sect of Muhammad Ali Jinnah over here on Wikipedia we only provide the religion and already written islam is okay for the readers. There are a number of references which quote Muhammad Ali Jinnah as sunni and sometimes as shia but others also refer to as Ismailee. BurhanAhmed (talk • contribs) 05:29, 23 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This appears to be related to the Huggle revert of an edit that removed sourced details from the article in question without explanation via edit summary. The explanation provided here address why the content was removed. Alansohn (talk) 14:47, 23 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Julius Fast

Number 291 (180 create/expand - 111 nominations)

On 23 December, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Julius Fast, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 19:27, 23 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Warning

I replaced "fraud" with "rigging the presidential election" since voter fraud in every single precinct is much less likely than miscounting the votes.

I failed to use an edit summary, but next time see what edit was actually made before using overly friendly templates to assert that the edit is vandalism on my talk page. Thank you. 99.161.110.123 (talk) 02:49, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I did read the edit in question. The word "fraud" is far more accurate in the situation, and the alck of an edit summary combined with an IP address raised a red flag. Alansohn (talk) 02:50, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Max Elbin

Number 292 (181 create/expand - 111 nominations)

On 24 December, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Max Elbin, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 07:36, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for List of Nashville Sounds no-hitters

Number 293 (181 create/expand - 112 nominations)

On 24 December, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article List of Nashville Sounds no-hitters, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 13:42, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mensch's Barnstar

After searching last night to find an appropriate barnstar for you, I was too quick to settle on the good-old multipurpose Special Barnstar. So this morning I created a new barnstar with you in mind to replace the one from yesterday. Here it is! shirulashem (talk) 14:05, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

		The Mensch's Barnstar
		For being a real mensch. shirulashem (talk) 14:05, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The barnstar and the graphics are greatly appreciated, but its the thought behind it that counts most. I hope I did what anyone else would have done in the same situation and I hope we can continue to work together to improve our encyclopedia. Alansohn (talk) 15:33, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In RE to attempted compromise

I keep trying to tell you -- there *will be NO* newspaper articles that confirm the existence of two grandchildren. Doug Chandler is the one who lied to the "Times." Because he lied to the "Times" and he's the one who quoted the "Times" I propose that the "Times" obit not be allowed as a source at this time.

Aside from newspaper articles and books, what sources are fine? Birth certs? ZOHCLE (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 17:03, 24 December 2008 (UTC).[reply]

A birth certificate presents problems in terms of being sure that there is a direct connection to Robert Chandler, but the bigger problem is that there is no way for any other editor (including me) to verify its accuracy. I've seen other articles that list details, but none that provide any other details regarding grandchildren. I am trying to understand and address this issue, but the issue of providing reliably sourced material is a fundamental Wikipedia principle. Alansohn (talk) 23:37, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Barnstar

		The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
		Wow do you beat me to vandalism everytime. Keep up the good work! Iamawesome800 20:17, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merry Christmas

Hello Alansohn! I just wanted to wish you and your family a merry Christmas! May this Christmas be full of great cheer and holiday spirit. Again, merry Christmas! Ashbey 00:58, 25 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you don't celebrate Christmas, then happy holidays!

Natalya Rudakova

What did I do wrong? The article was nominated for deletion three times within a month by the same editor, and it failed badly all three times. I was just removing the notice because it is no longer up for deletion. Why am I in trouble? Jayhawk of Justice (talk) 01:54, 25 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ted Kennedy

My addition to the article is NOT vandalism. I have cited the article that was in the New York Times. Rather than simply reverting the article, you should have discussed this issue with me on either my talk page or on the Discussion section of the article itself. It is editors like you who give Wikipedia a bad name. If this is not resolved within the next few hours, I will file a complaint.--68.236.45.130 (talk) 02:21, 25 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The text you added made the assertion as a factual statement. The "source" you provided is a copy of a Volkswagen ad parody; it is not a valid source for the statements you added to the article. Alansohn (talk) 02:24, 25 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Robert Chandler (network executive)

Number 294 (182 create/expand - 112 nominations)

On 26 December, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Robert Chandler (network executive), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 14:11, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Isaac Agree Downtown Synagogue

Number 295 (183 create/expand - 112 nominations)

On 27 December, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Isaac Agree Downtown Synagogue, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Cbl62 08:26, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Possible WP:COI issue on Steve Lonegan

I see that you have editted this article and know that you edit many of these articles related to local New Jersey politics/government. I think there is a possible conflict of interests issue on the Steve Lonegan article. Please see my comment on Talk:Steve Lonegan and comment there. Thanks.--Jersey Devil (talk) 11:23, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for John E. Sprizzo

Number 296 (184 create/expand - 112 nominations)

On 27 December, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article John E. Sprizzo, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Dravecky (talk) 14:31, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Scott McBrien

Number 297 (184 create/expand - 113 nominations)

On 27 December, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Scott McBrien, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Dravecky (talk) 14:33, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Advertisements for himself...

Infringement on Norman Mailer's title seems appropriate here.

So the question I put was, should the Frank Prewitt page be subject to speedy deletion, or is there some exception to Wikipedia guidelines that lets this poster not only author his own page, to ignore Wikipedia guidelines, to promote himself, to not only "exonerate" himself on the webpage for his past illegal behavior, but allows him to extensively advertise his self-published, third-rate book written with the same self-aggrandizing aims?

I'm not sure why I can't get a straight answer here. Is there some appeal process for contesting unwarranted reverts of legitimate deletions? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.237.144.254 (talk) 22:58, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You can go to WP:BLPN to raise issues with inappropriate biographical content. Remember that notability has nothing to do with being a nice guy; I'm pretty sure that there's an Adolf Hitler article. Frank Prewitt is covered by reliable and verifiable sources. If there are specific issues they should be addressed by making changes that are clearly described and explained; Simply cutting away sourced material will likely be reverted. Alansohn (talk) 23:35, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, another Wiki editor has removed the improper placement of Prewitt's book from his autobiographical page. Thank goodness! My question was whether or not Prewitt should be allowed to author his own page and delete material added by others that is properly sourced but does not feed his ego and fantasy life? Activist (talk) 15:34, 28 December 2008 (UTC)Activist[reply]

Re: David Margolis DYK nom

Hello! Your submission of David Margolis at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Dabomb87 (talk) 16:09, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Good fix, everything checks out now. Dabomb87 (talk) 17:22, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DYK nomination of Golf House

Hello! Your submission of Golf House at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! ➨♀♂Candlewicke _S^T_# :) 17:02, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Crips

Not vandalism -- 100% true, do your research. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.219.236.26 (talk) 22:47, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting to see a person who is doing nothing but spell words incorrectly tell you to "do your research". Niteshift36 (talk) 23:23, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I saw you had reverted the same article. You have to admire a blatant vandal who has the guts to insist that we're wrong. Or not. Alansohn (talk) 04:33, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Page deletion

how can i delete a page —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zapateiro (talk • contribs)

What page do you want to delete? Alansohn (talk) 00:11, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for William Kaufmann

Number 300 (187 create/expand - 113 nominations)

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Gatoclass (talk) 15:18, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Can you please say your opinion here --Bayrak (talk) 18:28, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Valentin Berlinsky

Number 301 (188 create/expand - 113 nominations)

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Dravecky (talk) 03:21, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Formula one rule changes since 1950

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Dravecky 09:27, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm impressed

Dude, good job on reverting vandalism. I'm now doing new pages patrol and every time I try to revert something, you do it before me. Orane (talk) 05:13, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure what happens, but I seem to get into synch just behind another vandal fighter every now and then where all of my reverts are just too late. Unfortunately, there's more than enough vandalism for all of us. Keep up the good fight. Alansohn (talk) 14:56, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What???

I have just created the page Manuel de Montiano, and hence, I find difficult to believe that I'm vandalizing it when incorporating new information. Please check CAREFULLY your statements before making them. Thanks... --218.186.12.200 (talk) 05:22, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My apologies. An IP user deleting content from an article without an edit summary is a red flag for vandalism. Please be sure to use an edit summary for all edits so that other editors can better understand your intentions. Again, please accept my apologies for the revert and the warning. Alansohn (talk) 14:54, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for David Margolis

Number 303 (189 create/expand - 114 nominations)

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Cirt (talk) 15:31, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Carl Kotchian

Number 304 (190 create/expand - 114 nominations)

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Cirt (talk) 15:31, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Alansohn, you have falsely reverted my edit on October 23

Alansohn, exactly what part of my text is vandalism? The Meiji Era started on October 23, 1968. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.191.177.96 (talk) 17:13, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You're off by 100 years. "The Meiji period (明治時代, Meiji-jidai?), or Meiji era, denotes the 45-year reign of the Meiji Emperor, running, in the Gregorian calendar, from 23 October 1868..." Alansohn (talk) 17:18, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WOlf

Feel free to work on breira (organization), it also needs a DYK. Also the various progressive rabbis have no mention/link of each other on their pages, even through they all worked together. --Jayrav (talk) 18:36, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It may not be DYK-eligible, but I will try to devote some time to tweaking the article. Alansohn (talk) 18:42, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You also may want to work on Walter Wurzburger, Eugene Borowitz, Robert Gordis, Joseph Lookstein, Jacob B Agus- they are all stubs or dont exist. --Jayrav (talk) 18:47, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I created the Emanuel Rackman article just a few weeks ago and Walter Wurzburger was his successor at Shaaray Tefilla. I will try my best to work on these articles. Alansohn (talk) 20:59, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

FLQ on Quebec lead

The FLQ involved likely less than 100 people in all, maybe less than 20. Putting at that place a false statement about 100,000 terrorists (out of 7 millions Quebecers) is misleading. Anyway Quebecers are used to Quebec-bashing and this paragraph is typical. Those misleading statements attempt to give FLQ more power than it actually had (souverainty gained in popularity because of charism of Rene Levesque, not because of the FLQ). I lived in Quebec all my life since 1956. While some people were killed by either FLQ or RCMP bombs in the 1963-1973 time period, they were minor incidents. The mobster war in the 1990s killed more people and much more persons were involved in the various gangs. As repeated in the discussion area, the FLQ part has nothing to do in that page.

The French also sent many donnes to Canada, many were killed but one man eustaush lambert became a powerful donne that protected the natives and became the first Canadian general.

The above statement is some noise. Eustache Lambert was born about 1617 and was a merchant. Calling him a general is misleading. And the donnés (given) were there to assist priests AFTER the early settlement, not BEFORE like implied in that paragraph. Likely inserted by someone who just never read about that topic.

The capitulation of New France occured in 1760 (Battle of Montreal), not 1759. And the battle of the plain occured after a siege of many months. Summarizing the war to one battle is misleading but desserves the Quebec bashing promoters. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.252.80.31 (talk) 05:16, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Kopaonik

But, what is problem, i explained? About Kopaonik. Mountain is in Serbia only??

Tadija (talk) 22:08, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Its not its in Kosovo aswell, cuz of u "unhappy" serbs we had to approve the Kosovo pozition on Kopaoniks and other Mountains page, but Kosovo is independent and as is a state. Tryly yours a noble albanian who saw what serbs did to his ppl with his own eyes...IllyrianPrince —Preceding undated comment was added at 22:12, 30 December 2008 (UTC).[reply]

Well, Kosovo is only partitionly recognized, so, it cant be written as independent here, it is violation of WP:NPOV! At least it is 53 vs. 139 for Kosovo is Serbia!!

))

Tadija (talk) 16:03, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry

I was venting emotions. Do you forgive me? ISayHelloYouSayGoodbye (talk) 04:55, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I guess I would have forgiven you if the vandalism stopped after the warnings. Alansohn (talk) 15:51, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

User page vandalism

Hey. Thanks for reverting that vandalism to my user page. ~~ [ジャム]^[t - c] 10:00, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry to have to deal with vandals, but its always a pleasure to help another editor. Alansohn (talk) 15:49, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Stuart Campbell

Hi, sorry about the lack of edit summary, but basically there's one disruptive editor that keeps impeding attempts to rewrite the article to better standards and has been repeatedly putting back in disputed sections without valid sources that everyone's decided would be best to remove for the time being. I was removing one such section. Have a read of the talk page for more background if you like. --88.108.243.214 (talk) 18:49, 31 December 2008 (UTC) "I will review the subject further. Thanks for the message. Alansohn (talk) 18:51, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The editor above is, not to put too fine a point on it, simply lying. Examination of the entry's discussion page will clearly show his assertions to be untrue, indeed in most cases to be the precise opposite of the truth. They are not seeking to improve standards, but merely repeating crude vandalisms to the entry which have been attempted on numerous occasions in the past and removed after debate. This can also be verified from the entry's discussion page. An RfP has been filed in an attempt to prevent this vandalism, and the editor should not be deleting sections until that request has been adjudicated. 83.67.217.135 (talk) 22:31, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Friendly note.

Hi. Regarding this note, this is not vandalism. Very best!, NonvocalScream (talk) 20:11, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the note. I have no idea whatsoever why this change would have appeared to be vandalism or why I reverted the change. My sincerest apologies for the mistake. Alansohn (talk) 20:13, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not a problem. Continue the good work! NonvocalScream (talk) 20:19, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Happy New Year

Dear Alansohn,
I just wanted to wish you and your family a happy new year, however you're celebrating it. Whether 2008 was a good year for you, or if it wasn't the greatest year, hopefully 2009 will be better. Cheers, and happy editing in 2009 :-),

Ashbey Ӝ 00:30, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Happy New Year!

Christmas was yesterday: Happy New Year!

Happy new Headcheese!-hexa Chord ² 02:48, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I wonder why someone would be so determined to try and put laxatives in the botan rice candy? Happy New Year! Have a very fine '09. ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:49, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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DYK for Robert J. Marshall

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Gatoclass (talk) 15:39, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Thomas Congdon

Number 306 (192 create/expand - 114 nominations)

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Spumante

why Spumante is uncostrutive and Champagne not!!!? I want add this voice! tell me why robyc73 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Robyc73 (talk • contribs) 02:23, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Spumante is already covered separately in the sparkling wine article. If you believe that Spumante justifies a standalone article, that should be discussed at the talk page. Alansohn (talk) 02:26, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Chiming as a member of WP:WINE. A long time ago, the members of the wine project decided it was much more constructive to include all the different types of sparkling wine into one coherent article. It provides much better context for the reader than a litany of stub/start class articles. This is no slack on the part of spumante or Italian sparkling wines. If you notice, the German Sekt, Spanish Cava and South African Cap Classique also serve as redirect to the main sparkling wine article. Agne ^Cheese/^Wine 02:28, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

but you see this voice http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Ferrari_Spumante and http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Asti_Spumante It better use voice spumante and sub voice for Asti,and other.... User Talk:Robyc73 —Preceding undated comment was added at 02:32, 2 January 2009 (UTC). Champagne have more space and details in voice of sparkling wine!!! User Talk:Robyc73 —Preceding undated comment was added at 02:35, 2 January 2009 (UTC).[reply]

That is in proportion to the worldwide recognition of Champagne verses the lesser known sparkling wines. In fact, Champagne is even used as a "shorthand" for all sparkling wines....even Spumante, as evidence by the many blog entries dated from yesterday with their tasting notes on the "Champagne" Martini & Rossi Asti Spumante :p. Again, this is nothing to slight spumante, but considering the worldwide audience of Wikipedia everything should be kept in proportion and due weight to the grand scheme of things. If you would like to converse further, why don't we take this to Talk:Sparkling wine so as not to bug the heck out of Alan with the little yellow message boxes. :) Agne ^Cheese/^Wine 03:20, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Charice Pempengco

It appears you accidentally (I believe) restored a bad version from that IP. Also, I don't think those edits were bad from Archiemr4. Just thought I let you know about those issues. Versus22 (talk) 02:49, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, just the signature was bad. Versus22 (talk) 02:51, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There had been a signature inserted among other issues. My revert rolled back to a bad version. Thanks for spotting -- and correcting -- the issue I created. Alansohn (talk) 02:53, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Yeah unfortunately I don't know if you can add custom "revert + warn" entries. You have to do them separately by adding entries to System -> Options -> Reverting and System -> Options -> Templates. And then you have to revert and warn separately. Bit of a pain but it's not too bad. ... discospinster _talk 18:48, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lockwood Smith

Could you please reconsider your reversion of the edit to Lockwood Smith and warning to the anon editor who made it. The editor appears to be a long-term IP editor who has copyedited many articles on New Zealand politicians, and all their edits to date have been in good faith. I believe the edit in this case was also beneficial to the article.-gadfium 04:48, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks.-gadfium 17:31, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I had meant to reply to you as well, but thanks for watching. Alansohn (talk) 17:32, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Deletion of Mainstage article

Hello, Alansohn. You notified me about deleting the article currently at mainstage. I am fine with the deletion. I have no interest in the subject. From what I can tell, until I moved it in October 2006, "mainstage" was the article name for the content currently at main stage. I moved the article from "mainstage" to "main stage". During the move, the Wikipedia software made "mainstage" into a redirect to "main stage". Three years go by, and someone creates a non-encyclopedic article over the redirect at "mainstage". This article is put up for deletion, and I am mistakenly seen as the article's creator, again (I have made many moves and a huge number of redirects).

I wish that the creators of articles could be notified instead of me. Perhaps Wikipedia editors could be taught to see "moved blank1 to blank2: reasoning" and "#Redirect [[article name]]" in the edit summary at the bottom of the history page as the birth of a redirect, not an article. Although, I do not know if all editors even see the history page or if they are just told who the article creator is using an editing aid. I think one of them is called "balloons" or "pop-ups" or something similar. I have never used one, and I do not know how they work.

Please do not take any offense at my comments, as this was not my intention. I am not blaming you at all for this very minor inconvenience. You do not need to reply to this message, but you are welcome to reply if you want to. If you have the time, I am a little curious as to whether you were using an editing aid that told you I was the article creator because there might be a way to tweak it so that it works better. However, I am not implying that you did anything wrong if you were not using an editing aid. If you do reply, please use my talk page, or put a note on my talk page, so that I notice it.

After writing everything above, I realized that "mainstage" could simply be changed back to a redirect rather than going through the deletion process. This is how we handled non-controversial articles in the past (non-controversial in that a serious case could not be made for keeping the article by people who know what Wikipedia is for and what its standards are). If there is an objection, the article could be taken to Articles for Deletion to get a consensus on whether to keep it or not. Since there has not been a contribution to the article since April 2012, I doubt that there will be any objections. The IP addresses that created the article have not edited in years, either. I hope that I am not breaching some new protocol by doing this. Warmest regards, Kjkolb (talk) 05:29, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Kjkolb: - I think that I may have seen the article before, but once I re-read the previous incarnation of Mainstage I knew that there was something wrong. The article did not make the cut as encyclopedic but it seemed a clear disconnect with your background and experience as an editor. I looked through the edit history and scratched my head. Your explanation helps make sense of all of this. The same situation has happened to me numerous times in an effort to hive off content that was inappropriately added to or laid over an existing article. Unfortunately, this means that the editor who does the dirty work of cleaning up the mess also gets the blame in the event of a speedy deletion or XfD. I take no offense whatsoever at your remarks and I apologize for any confusion or inconvenience that my actions may have caused. I thank you for both for reaching out and for taking care of turning the article into a redirect. Alansohn (talk) 14:34, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Flags

I 100% agree with you User:Alansohn. I only did it because of him, as well as others User:Qed237, User:Meters etc. on Talk:Edmonton (please forward your input to this discussion as I need more support from people with the same opinion to keep flags). They insisted that the flags be taken down especially on Edmonton, Winnipeg, Yellowknife, Iqaluit, Whitehorse, Yukon etc. and threatened me with edit war and blocking violoations for adding flag icons when there is no set in stone rule. Would you mind adding the flags back to these cities, as I do not want to go over the 3RR. Thanks. Vaselineeeeeeee (talk) 21:36, 29 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Alansohn! It's been a week now; any chance you could do your QPQ and provide the source link I asked for so that I can approve your DYK nomination? :) MeegsC (talk) 04:01, 31 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Marlboro Township, New Jersey

When you moved Marlboro, New Jersey to Marlboro, New Jersey (disambiguation), you also renamed the title to its associated Facebook Community page that's linked to the article. Can you look into this? MikeM2011 (talk) 21:10, 5 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

MikeM2011 - Where is this Facebook link that I changed? I don't see it anywhere. Alansohn (talk) 21:56, 5 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It's this one - https://www.facebook.com/pages/Marlboro-New-Jersey-disambiguation/106487646054769 MikeM2011 (talk) 22:18, 5 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have anything to do with that facebook page. I have no idea how that page gets created. Alansohn (talk) 17:01, 6 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

February 2015 GOCE newsletter

Guild of Copy Editors February 2015 Newsletter

Drive: Thanks to everyone who participated in January's Backlog Elimination Drive. Of the 38 people who signed up for this drive, 21 copyedited at least one article. Final results, including barnstars awarded, are available here.

Progress report: We were able to remove August 2013 from the general copyediting backlog and November 2014 from the request-page backlog. Many thanks, everyone!

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Template:Did you know nominations/Eli Sagan

Alansohn, it's been over two weeks since your DYK nomination was reviewed, and two posts have already been made to your talk page about it. This is a courtesy third and final post, in the hopes that you will take some action on this nomination. We would hate to have to close it, but absent a response from you there, we'll not have much choice in the matter. Looking forward to hearing from you. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:36, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Unincorporated communities?

An editor has decided to change the description from neighborhood to unincorporated communities for Newark, such as this. Doesn't seem right to me. What's your take or community's understanding on this? Thanks Djflem (talk) 23:46, 26 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There's a lot of weird stuff going on related to the distinction between unincorporated community and neighborhood. Every square inch of New Jersey is part of an incorporated municipality, be it a borough, city, town, township or village. There are other places that have their own identity and name but aren't incorporated on their own, and all of these are unincorporated municipalities. A neighborhood is usually part of city, especially in an area in which one neighborhood runs into another, as in New York City, Newark or Trenton. Neighborhoods are a kind of unincorporated municipality, though I wouldn't say the reverse is always true. The change described above describes Lincoln Park, Newark as "an unincorporated community and neighborhood within the city of Newark", which is reasonably accurate. There was a whole series of edits tagging places into Category:Unincorporated communities in New Jersey. Ignoring the whole issue of the use of the category, the same editor removed a series of Trenton neighborhoods from the category. It would seem that all neighborhoods and census-designated places would belong in the category, but they've either been removed or never added. The bottom line is that there is a clear overlap between neighborhood and unincorporated community, but we have to do a better job with the definition. Alansohn (talk) 01:36, 27 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Would you have a look at?

If you look at history, you'll see page layout I reverted. ThanksDjflem (talk) 09:31, 10 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Djflem - I agree that the county level map should be all that's necessary, as there is a state insert on each of these maps. As I see it, using only the state map doesn't provide sufficient context and using both county and state maps is redundantly repetitive overkill that isn't needed multiple times. It's really not relevant what's done elsewhere as there are very few county maps out there. Any suggestions as to how to address this, perhaps a poll at WT:NJ? Alansohn (talk) 14:29, 10 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

About your (non)participation in the January 2012 SOPA vote

Hi. I am Piotr Konieczny (User:Piotrus), you may know me as an active content creator (see my userpage), but I am also a professional researcher of Wikipedia. Recently I published a paper (downloadable here) on reasons editors participated in Wikipedia's biggest vote to date (January 2012 WP:SOPA). I am now developing a supplementary paper, which analyzes why many editors did not take part in that vote. Which is where you come in :) You are a highly active Wikipedian (19th most active!), and you were active back during the January 2012 discussion/voting for the SOPA, yet you did not chose to participate in said vote. I'd appreciate it if you could tell me why was that so? For your convenience, I prepared a short survey at meta, which should not take more than a minute of your time. I would dearly appreciate you taking this minute; not only as a Wikipedia researcher but as a fellow content creator and concerned member of the community (I believe your answers may help us eventually improve our policies and thus, the project's governance). PS. If you chose to reply here (on your userpage), please WP:ECHO me. Thank you! --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 14:58, 4 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your time! --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:25, 7 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Alansohn, any chance you could help me out with this? Few more responses would really be very valuable to me. As the 19th most active Wikipedian, your input really does matter. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 16:15, 10 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Piotrus, I thought I had already responded in full. Is there anything else that I can help with? Alansohn (talk) 16:33, 10 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Doh. I messed up, I was intending to send you a thank you message, but I guess I used the wrong template :) My apologies. So - thank you for helping me out :) --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 16:40, 10 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you

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Patrick Pasculli

This guy is one of the Hobokon mayors that has been nom'd for deletion. Turns out there was a NJ assemblyman of that name c. 1981 (probably district 31). I cannot quickly establish whether it was the same person, or a relative, or some random Patrick Pasculli. Your knowledge might enable you to establish this. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 00:32, 14 February 2015 (UTC).

Thanks for reaching out on this. He died recently and he does appear to have served in the New Jersey Assembly, but I need to find a productive obituary / article to work form for expansion. Alansohn (talk) 00:22, 15 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

GOCE March newsletter

Guild of Copy Editors March 2015 Newsletter

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The Center Line: Winter 2015


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WikiCup 2015 March newsletter

That's it, the first round is done, sign-ups are closed and we're into round 2. 64 competitors made it into this round, and are now broken into eight groups of eight. The top two of each group will go through to round 3, and then the top scoring 16 "wildcards" across all groups. Round 1 saw some interesting work on some very important articles, with the round leader Freikorp (submissions) owing most of his 622 points scored to a Featured Article on the 2001 film Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within which qualified for a times-two multiplier. This is a higher score than in previous years, as Godot13 (submissions) had 500 points in 2014 at the end of round 1, and our very own judge, Sturmvogel_66 (submissions) led round 1 with 601 points in 2013.

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Cwmhiraeth (submissions) took Bumblebee, a level-4 vital article, to Good Article;
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Rodw (submissions) developed an extremely timely article to Good Article, taking Magna Carta there some 800 years after it was first sealed;
And last but not least, Godot13 (submissions) (FP bonus points) worked up a number of Featured Pictures during round 1, including the 1948 one Deutsche Mark (pictured right), receiving the maximum bonus due to the number of Wikis that the related article appears in.

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That's it, the first round is done, sign-ups are closed and we're into round 2. 64 competitors made it into this round, and are now broken into eight groups of eight. The top two of each group will go through to round 3, and then the top scoring 16 "wildcards" across all groups. Round 1 saw some interesting work on some very important articles, with the round leader Freikorp (submissions) owing most of his 622 points scored to a Featured Article on the 2001 film Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within which qualified for a times-two multiplier. This is a higher score than in previous years, as Godot13 (submissions) had 500 points in 2014 at the end of round 1, and our very own judge, Sturmvogel_66 (submissions) led round 1 with 601 points in 2013.

In addition to Freikorp's work, some other important articles and pictures were improved during round one, here's a snapshot of a few of them:

Cwmhiraeth (submissions) took Bumblebee, a level-4 vital article, to Good Article;
AHeneen (submissions) worked-up the Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 article, also to Good Article status;
Rodw (submissions) developed an extremely timely article to Good Article, taking Magna Carta there some 800 years after it was first sealed;
And last but not least, Godot13 (submissions) (FP bonus points) worked up a number of Featured Pictures during round 1, including the 1948 one Deutsche Mark (pictured right), receiving the maximum bonus due to the number of Wikis that the related article appears in.

You may also wish to know that The Core Contest is running through the month of March. Head there for further details - they even have actual prizes!

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Books and Bytes - Issue 10

The Wikipedia Library

Books & Bytes
Issue 10, January-February 2015
by The Interior (talk · contribs), Ocaasi (talk · contribs), Sadads (talk · contribs)

New donations - ProjectMUSE, Dynamed, Royal Pharmaceutical Society, and Women Writers Online
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TWL moves into the new Community Engagement department at the WMF, quarterly review

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Bookmarking AFF/ACS urls for references

Hi Alansohn, I wasn't sure if you were aware, but you can create a bookmark of a given url from American FactFinder to use as a reference citation. If you were already aware of this, then terrific. Castncoot (talk) 21:15, 8 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the update. I've been trying to use these bookmarks from American FactFinder to the best of my ability. Alansohn (talk) 23:58, 8 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Eli Sagan

On 9 March 2015, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Eli Sagan, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that clothing manufacturer and self-taught cultural anthropologist Eli Sagan took greatest pride in his inclusion on Nixon's Enemies List? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Eli Sagan. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Sunday March 22: Wikipedia Day NYC Celebration and Mini-Conference

Sunday March 22: Wikipedia Day NYC 2015

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Nomination for deletion of Template:Infobox New Jersey school district

Template:Infobox New Jersey school district has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:49, 20 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I'm CyanoTex. I wanted to let you know that I undid one or more of your recent contributions to Linden Public Schools because it did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. CyanoTex; The Neutral Wikipedian 15:48, 20 March 2015 (UTC) PS: Don't do the same thing, please. :)[reply]

Nice to see you again

	New Jersey Barnstar
	Being a New Jersey resident myself, I recall seeing you on NJ-related articles eight years ago and although I have been less active lately on Wikipedia, I still notice your strong involvement in articles relating to New Jersey. NHRHS2010 RIP M.H. (1994-2014) 17:19, 20 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Battin High School

On 27 March 2015, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Battin High School, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that when Battin High School closed in 1977, it was the last all-girls public high school in New Jersey? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Battin High School. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Union City High School citation formatting

At some point I began using "Retrieved" because that's what citation templates use, and I wanted my "manually" written citations to match the wording used by the templates. I remembered that some time ago, when we disagreed on this point (I don't recall the exact conversation or date of it, nor do I have a link handy, so correct me if I'm wrong) that you stated that an editor should not change the formatting unless he/she is the primary editor of the article. I do not recall if you cited a specific guideline or MOS page for this. Since I am the primary editor of this article, I assumed this would be in keeping with that protocol you mentioned. 38.101.169.130 (talk) 19:38, 31 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Use of sic hide=y tag

I saw that you removed a "sic hide=y" tag that I added to the article Harrison Township School District, with the explanation, "there is no need to tag it in any way". I thought I should explain what the purpose of the tagging is. It is to prevent someone from accidentally "improving" a quotation. In this case, the tagged phrase is "comprised of" in a quotation. Many people believe "comprised of" is not the best wording in a Wikipedia article and search for articles that contain the phrase and edit it. I do that a lot. We obviously try to leave quotations alone, but it is easy to make a mistake. The sic template exists to prevent that. It prevents an article from even showing up in a search for the tagged phrase, which saves copy editors time as well. The hide=y argument means this does not affect what the reader sees at all; it's just for editors. Bryan Henderson (giraffedata) (talk) 03:05, 11 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There is nothing wrong with "comprised of", and even less reason to correct it inside a quotation. As there appears to be only one editor making these "corrections" and trying to "improve" the article, the best way to avoid this problem is to simply leave such articles alone, which saves time for all editors involved. Alansohn (talk) 04:43, 12 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Regardless of whether there is anything wrong with "comprised of", there are many people changing it, and many more supporting my own changing of it, so I am certainly not going to stop. Given that, it's hard to understand why you would actively remove a sic template from an article, as opposed to leaving the article alone; I suppose it's more about making a point about whether people should be changing "comprised of" than about improving the article? I don't believe that is a legitimate use of a Wikipedia edit, but I just wanted to make sure you understood the edit and it sounds like you do. Bryan Henderson (giraffedata) (talk) 07:11, 12 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Giraffedata, irregardless of your opinion, there is absolutely nothing that is wrong with "comprised of" in the context of its use within a direct quotation. It simply ain't wrong, no matter what you think. I'm sure that there are other editors who feel the obsessive need to exceedingly go about "correcting" examples of split infinitives or those who believe that they must wipe out every example of situations where prepositions are used to end quotations with. Copyediting is fine, but improperly marking quotations with a sic tag is wrong. You are the only Wikipedia editor making these needless edits and we don't need to have misused sic tags applied simply to prevent yourself from misediting the same article a second time; these edits to add the sic tag are not a legitimate Wikipedia edit as I see it. It's time for the silent majority to rise up as the Comprised Of League of Defense to protect all articles from such pointless editing practices. Let the COLD War begin today! Alansohn (talk) 15:28, 12 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Photo requests in New Jersey

Hi, Alansohn. Do you do photo requests in New Jersey? Is Oakland, New Jersey convenient for you? I'm looking for somebody to photograph the New Jersey Japanese School for Wikipedia. WhisperToMe (talk) 05:00, 14 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

April 29: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC

Wednesday April 29, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC

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Hi - I am Charlie M. I am writing to you in response to your message to me regarding my recent edit to the Toms River, NJ page. I wholeheartedly disagree with your conclusion that my edit was non-constructive. What is the basis for this opinion? I am insulted that you do not find me worthy of a small mention along w/ the other famous Toms River residents. I look forward to your response.

Thank you,

Charlie — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.199.146.1 (talk • contribs)

50.199.146.1, notables have articles. Every other notable in the Toms River, New Jersey article has an article; you don't. Once you have an article that establishes your notability, then you need a reliable and verifiable source establishing your connection to the township; none was provided. Alansohn (talk) 15:18, 15 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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New Jersey towns, section order

I believe that the section order in these town articles should be re-standardized - although you may be involved in local government, most readers are not likely to be concerned at all with local government and politics on a day-to-day basis. On the other hand, the average reader is far more likely to be concerned with the issues of education and transportation. Best, Castncoot (talk) 07:04, 18 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Castncoot, we probably would benefit from re-standardizing the order of sections in municipal articles. Given that there is a standard to be re-standardized, we should probably leave that standard unchanged until we have consensus on a new standard. While it does not establish a policy in any way shape or form, WP:USCITIES does provide some optional suggestions that place the sections in order by Government, Education and Transportation. Pending any effort to re-standardize, you can self-revert or I will be happy to undo the changes. Alansohn (talk) 01:51, 19 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Alansohn, if the standard was designed by previous consensus, then by all means revert to this standard pending a new consensus. On the other hand, if the standard was essentially self-designed by you, then I think we should move the ball forward right away and move Government (or at least Politics, if you're willing to tease that out of Government) farther down the totem pole compared to more salient issues including Education and Transportation. I surmise that the average reader wouldn't want Politics of all topics to be placed as high up as it is in many of the New Jersey town articles and may in fact find this to be an embarrassing shortcoming for these articles. I think you've otherwise done a fabulous job on these articles, I must note - I simply believe that this one issue unfortunately impedes greatly their potential for being even more superior. Best, Castncoot (talk)
- Castncoot, I understand your efforts to consider reordering sections in these articles. I'm sure that I had something to do with the establishment of the order in the article for Allendale and elsewhere in the state, but this order has been based on guidance elsewhere. Whether you take a look at the suggestions in WP:USCITIES or at featured articles such as Boston, the order of Government, followed by Education, followed by Transportation is followed. I'm sure that there are better ways to do this, but the best way to do this is by reaching consensus and leaving the article in the pre-existing order until that new consensus is reached. Finding featured articles and guidelines that match your preferred order would add weight to your argument for a change in consensus. Alansohn (talk) 03:02, 19 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

We are, in part, limited to those areas where we have data/information. The abundance of accessible information regarding local government organization tends to weigh this area heavily. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:25, 19 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This is an interesting discussion. Alansohn, I had also looked at WP:USCITIES myself, and to be honest, all three (Government, Education, and Transportation) are downgraded according to this guideline (just a guideline, and one with which I have several disagreements and which is geared toward large cities, in any case). The guideline also suggests mentioning something about local politics within government, but again, specifically for larger cities. Therefore, WP:USCITIES appears to be tremendously unhelpful here, for smallish New Jersey towns. I think we need to use simple common sense and good judgement here. The average reader looking up Allendale, New Jersey is more likely to be interested in its demographics, educational system(s), and public and/or road and highway access before he or she contemplates the name of the current mayor or councilmembers. Castncoot (talk) 03:35, 19 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that WP:USCITIES is highly flawed, but it is intended to be a guide to the organization of articles about places of all sizes. I'm sure that you have your perceptions as to what readers want to know about in what order, as do I. The best way to resolve this is through consensus, using featured articles and relevant guidelines as a model. Alansohn (talk) 03:40, 19 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Are there many Featured Articles on small towns? If so, I agree they could be a relevant guideline for consensus, and I also agree we should strive to reach a consensus. Otherwise, an alternative might be to contemplate what one might look for in the website city-data.com. Also, the fact is that there is readily available information about the names of school board members of these towns' school districts - the average reader is likely to be just as disinterested in these names as well. Education, Transportation, and Government thus speak for themselves, but the politics associated with Education or Government (or the Transportation department, for that matter) are far less important, although certainly worth mentioning, when dealing with these smallish towns, from this perspective. Castncoot (talk) 04:00, 19 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I encourage you to find examples of articles that support your case and make your case to change the current consensus at WP:USCITIES used across the nation. Alansohn (talk) 04:10, 19 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. See Allendale. In Michigan, that is. Also, when or where was consensus reached to apply the WP:USCITIES guideline to New Jersey's town articles? And was that in fact, followed, when it directed politics to be geared toward larger cities, not smallish towns in New Jersey? Are school board members' names then listed in New Jersey town articles' Government sections? Questions to contemplate. Castncoot (talk) 04:53, 19 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

So we should base consensus in New Jersey on an article for somewhere in Michigan that is unincorporated so it has no government? When was that consensus made? Please raise the issue at WT:NJ and make your best case for why this should be the model. I wish you the best of luck. Alansohn (talk) 04:57, 19 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, please look up Allendale Charter Township in Michigan, as you were the one who suggested looking at articles across the US. At the time of this writing, there isn't even a Government section, even though there is a government, as stated in the infobox. On the other hand, the Education section directly follows Demographics. I've also noticed that no other state's municipalities' Government section carries as much material as in New Jersey - but this goes against WP:USCITIES, which again, you seem to be relying on, albeit partially and selectively. I also don't believe I have any burden here, because I don't believe an applicable consensus was ever reached for New Jersey towns, which mostly have < 100K in population - while the spirit and intent of the very roughly and poorly designed WP:USCITIES is clearly aimed at big cities. Castncoot (talk) 11:32, 19 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Being that no applicable consensus has ever been reached then, I would simply point out that this is indeed a golden opportunity to quickly build for the first time a consensus for a laudable template for New Jersey town articles and to call it WP:NJCITIES. Perhaps it could be ordered as such:

Lede
History
Geography
Demographics
Education
Transportation
Economy
Government
Public services
Politics
Culture
Notable residents
See also
References
External links

As you notice, Government is getting its fair play in this list, using the perspective of criteria as would be ranked in terms of mundane, day-to-day concerns of inhabitants of New Jersey suburban towns, who incorporate vastly different concerns from those in large cities. The average citizen has to travel every day, for example, many to New York City or Philadelphia, and a large percentage if not a majority in these smallish suburban towns have school-aged children; on the other hand, the average citizen is not showing up in council chambers each day, nor do government decisions in small towns match the attention received by every word uttered or every move ordered by the mayor of a big city, nor is there generally a plurality of single people in these towns for whom public education is not as prominent an issue. If one can make the reasonable assumption that readers of New Jersey town articles want to get an authentic "flavor" of a given town itself, then IMHO, this list is sensible. Best, Castncoot (talk) 12:06, 19 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I guess we have three choices here. We can adopt WP:USCITIES as a standard; We can use the de facto consensus standard used in articles for New Jersey that has been established over the past dozen years; or we can follow your proposed standard (for which I cannot understand separating Government and Politics into two discrete sections). While USCITIES is not policy, it does provide a model of section orders used across the nation and in featured articles. Sure Allendale, New Jersey isn't Boston. But neither is Newark, Jersey City or New Jersey, yet I'm confident that these are full-fledged cities. There are Teterboro and Tavistock at the smallest end of New Jersey municipalities, but where would we draw the line in the List of municipalities in New Jersey between large cities and those subject to your proposed NJCITIES? Where do Atlantic City and Hackensack cities with 40,000-odd residents fit in, and what about Neptune City (a borough with about 5,000 residents) or Corbin City (a city with 500 or so people). As to content of sections, we can search the nation for the lowest quality articles and gut New Jersey articles to match the lowest standard or we could work to encourage editors in Michigan and elsewhere to be far more thorough and complete following the standard we've set here. Think it through, modify your structure as needed, and make your best case at WT:NJ. I am rather leery of the proposal, But I am more than happy to abide by whatever formal consensus is established through this process. Alansohn (talk) 13:49, 19 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Glad to see this forum progressing in a positive discussion and rapidly so, Alansohn (talk). I think reasonable people can work pretty quickly. First, let me say that the Michigan article simply represented an exaggerated counterexample; obviously I don't believe that any town with a government should or can be devoid of a Government section, and my proposed list order above includes Government squarely in the middle. Likewise, I believe WP:USCITIES is awful, you have acknowledged that is flawed yourself, and I suspect that it's also caused many town article editors to shun it across the country. Choices would be to include all municipalities in New Jersey which come with the title "City" alone (there must be a mere ten or fifteen of them, perhaps, compared to over 500 townships and boroughs?-you would know better than I) under WP:USCITIES (which I don't favor), or to place ALL towns AND cities under the new WP:NJCITIES template. You yourself acknowledged at the outset of this discussion that the de facto status quo is also not acceptable, so it would be frankly hypocritical to maintain an unacceptable product. Finally, I have deliberately proposed making Politics a separate section because I believe that we as editors must have insight and responsibility when informing the reader to separate essential governmental services, such as the structure of a town's government and its police and fire protection, from comparatively non-essential information, including the names and political affiliations of current councilmembers. I don't mind transporting this same discussion to WP:NJ, will do so per your suggestion. Best, Castncoot (talk) 17:05, 19 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Magnolia

Just a note of amusement: Describing the one you have banned yourself from interacting with as an "malicious stalker" in the comments of the self-revert isn't quite "non-interaction"... Famartin (talk) 06:27, 20 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No amusement here. When the non-interactee who is involved in malicious stalking on an active and ongoing basis runs off to ANI about a clearly inadvertent overlap, it's worth calling a spade a spade, or (on Wikipedia) a WP:DICK a WP:DICK. Nothing else seems to get this editor's attention and even he seems to have been scared off by the bizarre outburst from BMK, his protector in chief, who has previously been rather blind and accommodating to his misbehavior. Any suggestions you may have as to how to deal with this kind of deliberate DICKishness would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for the note. Alansohn (talk) 11:49, 20 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- You could try taking the high road. No matter what happens, use neutral terms, polite manners and dispassionate logic. It's hard, but in the end it would work in your favor. Who knows, perhaps it might even change other's behavior as well? Jacona (talk) 12:29, 20 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  - Believe you me, I've tried taking the high road and it's utterly failed. When he started editing, I left more than a dozen messages explaining why he needed to add sources to his edits and that seems to have pissed him off to no end. He persists in leaving behind little land mines, editing articles purposelessly that he's never edited before on a random basis, solely to create potential opportunities to violate the interaction ban. I've tolerated this bullshit for months, going way out of my way to avoid conflict and not editing the articles he's created without intervening edits, while he's been deliberately stalking me and running ahead of my edits to maliciously create it. If some jerk was constantly following you around, persistently editing the same articles you edited, deliberately manufacturing conflicts and trying to craft a justification for a block, riding your ass day after day after day, you'd do exactly what I've done; any rational person would. If you have any other ideas to get this guy off my back, I'm more than happy to try anything, but the "high road" has failed. Thanks for the suggestion. Alansohn (talk) 12:43, 20 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Teaneck, New Jersey and "voluntary" voting

So can you give me any examples of "involuntary voting"? Perhaps being marched to the ballot box at the point of a gun? Maybe falling on the ballot and knocking loose a chad with your lapel? It's New Jersey, so of course your will reigns over common sense at all times. Jacona (talk) 22:35, 27 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

As far as Teaneck's claim of being a "first" there are numerous examples of integrated schools many years before Teaneck, and certainly many of those were not 'forced' by a court. At this time, I have not been able to find a reference to any of these being a result of a popular vote (I do have some records of school boards voting); you an be assured that when I do it will be a 'voluntary' vote, and not a 'visceral' or 'forced' or otherwise 'involuntary' vote. Jacona (talk) 22:47, 27 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Take a look across the Internet and you'll find articles such as The Legacy of Forced Busing In Boston about Boston's experience facing a court-ordered busing plan, one of many where districts implemented busing plans under strong external pressure, making the votes elsewhere anything but voluntary. As to Teaneck, take a look at the 1968 book Triumph in a White Suburb: The Dramatic Story of Teaneck, New Jersey, the First Town in the Nation to Vote for Integrated Schools. On its dust jacket, the book describes how "Their greatest achievement occurred in 1965, when Teaneck became the first town in the nation where a white majority went to the ballot box and voted for school integration." More recently you have "50 years later, Teaneck recalls integration of its schools" which describes "... that early September day 50 years ago when Teaneck became the first community in America to vote to desegregate its schools — in this case, by busing students from all parts of the city to a new, centralized sixth grade." I do recognize that other communities have similar claims, but there are ample reliable and verifiable sources recognizing Teaneck's accomplishment. If you have a response, cut out the personal attacks and I'll be happy to treat your request's seriously. Further attacks will be deleted as vandalism. Alansohn (talk) 01:18, 28 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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NJ stuff for your perusal

If you could take a moment or two and look through a current article, Newton, New Jersey, and a soon-to-be-mainspaced draft of an article on the New Jersey Forest Fire Service at User:JackTheVicar/sandbox/Box6 I'd be much obliged for your suggestions on how I could improve them.--JackTheVicar (talk) 17:11, 30 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

JackTheVicar, thanks for the work on the Newton, New Jersey article, especially for the added content and images. My only suggested changes are in the education section, where I think that there is a bit too much about the history of SCCC. The forthcoming article for New Jersey Forest Fire Service is excellent, and the DYK hook is fascinating to me as a resident of the state for the past few decades; I never knew that I could be dragooned against my will into fighting fires. Nicely done. Alansohn (talk) 17:37, 30 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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0.1 not equal to 0.100

In your recent edit to Collingswood, New Jersey, you state in the caption that 0.1 and 0.100 are not the same thing. I don't see that it's a big deal one way or another, but what do you mean? I looked in the manual of style and didn't find answers there. In school, they teach that trailing zeros after a decimal point do not affect the value of a number and "roll off." I'm sure you know what you're doing; please teach me the significance so I can be sure to do it correctly in the future.

Thanks! Jacona (talk) 17:01, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

JaconaFrere, see Significant figures, which discusses the significance of trailing zeros after the decimal point. In our example, 0.1 could be the result of rounding a number between 0.05 and 0.15, while 0.100 would mean that the number would be between 0.0005 and 0.0015, a much higher degree of precision. WP:MOSNUM further addresses the issue and recommends a consistent degree of precision for all the numbers listed in this context, all of which (total, land and water area) have three decimal places, as provided by the source from the Census Bureau. A small measure of good faith in trying to understand the issue and refraining from making any such edits until you understand the issue would have been helpful, rather than needlessly running off to look for every occurrence of 0.100 so that you could drop the trailing zeros. Again, 0.1 is NOT the same as 0.100, which is an issue of precision, not equality. Alansohn (talk) 17:54, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

- I thought understood you until the last sentence. True, 0.1 is not the same as 0.001, but it is an issue of equality. Maybe it's the new math? Jacona (talk) 18:21, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- A perusal of other place articles around the U.S. seems to contradict the 3 significant digit "rule". I checked around twenty such articles randomly; none outside of New Jersey contained a trailing zero after the decimal. Is New Jersey the only place it's done right? Maybe so. Jacona (talk) 18:41, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  - JaconaFrere, you're trying to do two things here: 1) change the wording of the standard geography template, mainly to remove "of it", and 2) change the number of decimal places in numbers with trailing zeros, as seen in this edit.
  - 1) The basic wording dates back to the first edit of the article in 2002 by Ram-Man, which included the dreaded "of it", which has stayed there for more than 12 years. There are thousands of articles using this wording. There's nothing grammatically incorrect with "of it", but the working you're using is flat-out wrong. What you have is "(0.1 km²) of (3.99%) water", which has the parenthetical percentage floating meaninglessly in between "of" and "water".
  - 2) You need to review the content of significant figures, which describes that "Stating the result as 12.2300 makes clear that it is precise to four decimal places (in this case, six significant figures)." So 0.1 is accurate to one decimal place, while 0.100 is accurate to three places; It's more precise. There is a difference. Next is MOS:UNCERTAINTY, which specifies that "The number of decimal places should be consistent within a list or context (The response rates were 41.0 and 47.4 percent, respectively, not 41 and 47.4 percent), unless different precisions are actually intended." So using "0.1" is wrong, because of the loss of precision and the inconsistency; All the are data in the sentence have three decimal places and all of them should have three decimal places.
  - The best case, even if you were right on all fronts, is that you've done nothing more than rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic. The encyclopedia is no better for these changes. As the wording is inconsistent with the standard used across Wikipedia since these articles were created and as your changes conflict with the Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers guideline, the articles are worse than they started. There is room for improvement, but do so based on a clear understanding of the underlying principles and policies. Alansohn (talk) 01:59, 13 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    - So you're saying if there is a grammatical error that's been around a long time, we should not change it? And you still didn't explain what you meant about 0.1 and .001 above. They are different, not only in precision, but also in value. Jacona (talk) 02:06, 13 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
      - In this edit, you've removed "of it", which has been there for a dozen years and is not a grammatical error. In its place, you made it "including 3.164 square miles (8.196 km²) of land and 0.131 square miles (0.339 km²) of (3.98%) water." What does "of (3.98%) water" mean? If you're going to fix something that isn't incorrect, why deliberately introduce an error that makes it worse than it was before. Please tell me that you read and understand significant figures and tell me that 0.1 and 0.100 are not different (note that the typo was corrected). Please review WP:MOSNUM and confirm that you understand keeping the precision consistent across the three area numbers for total, land and water. Alansohn (talk) 02:14, 13 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
        I was very confused because I could not find something you posted previously. Rather than answering my question, I researched and found you edited your previous comments (which had already been replied to), without explaining that you did or why. Is that proper behaviour? It seems to conflict with the guidance on the talk page guidelines. Why would you do that rather than answering the question? Jacona (talk) 02:30, 13 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
        Read above "tell me that 0.1 and 0.100 are not different (note that the typo was corrected)". Do you understand the issue here? Alansohn (talk) 02:59, 13 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
        Yes. I understand that you changed an earlier part of the discussion, which made my question, which was already a part of ther discussion, look strange and crazy. It undermines good faith and leaves me wondering what else you may have done. Your behavior undermines good faith. Do you understand that? Ignoring this, as you attempt to do is not possible; it overshadows all else in this discussion because it destroys the basis for an honest conversation. Jacona (talk) 10:17, 13 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
        Read the heading of this section. It says "0.1 not equal to 0.100". The issue here, from the beginning, was your improper removal of trailing zeros from a number that read "0.100" and your changing it to "0.1". At one point, I made a typographical error that read "0.001", when I had obviously intended "0.100", which is the subject of this entire discussion. I clearly stated that a change had been made, writing "tell me that 0.1 and 0.100 are not different (note that the typo was corrected)". Are you still making the argument that you believe that dropping the trailing zeros is correct or are you obsessing about the correction of a typo? Alansohn (talk) 12:56, 13 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
        Thanks for all your help. I'm sorry I didn't understand what your "obviously" intention (you might have cleared it up when I asked you about it directly). The articles in question have been changed. Thanks again for the information. Jacona (talk) 13:46, 13 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
        Again, my apologies for my mistake and any confusion it may have caused. If I had realized that I had made the mistake, I would have corrected it before pressing enter. Once I realized it, I made the correction -- and clearly indicated that I had made the correction -- to match the title "0.1 not equal to 0.100". Just as you realized that the leading zero before the decimal place is needed per editing guidelines, so too the trailing zeros are meaningful and necessary, both to provide the information on the significant figures / precision of the number and to conform with WP:MOSNUM editing guidelines on maintaining consistent precision (i.e., the same number of decimal places) in all numbers in the same context. Alansohn (talk) 15:39, 13 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Bergen/New Jersey counties - demographics section upgrade

Fabulous work on upgrading the Bergen County article, Alansohn, thank you! I think this should be kicked up another notch for New Jersey counties in general. Have you seen the Orange County, California article before, with its wealth of municipal demographic information? Let me know what you think of doing the same for New Jersey counties. Best, Castncoot (talk) 17:41, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

In fact, now that I look at it, other California counties (e.g., Los Angeles County) are formatted the same way. Castncoot (talk) 17:45, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

1. Agreed that you've (Alansohn) done a very good job on Bergen County, and a tremendous job of updating so much data for the state!

2. Also agree with Castncoot that the collapsible sections in Orange County make it much easier to read!

It's great to work with such dedicated people! Jacona (talk) 17:55, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the thanks from both of you. I'm working my way through the counties by alphabetical order, updating geography, county government, politics and municipalities as a focus, with other edits as they arise. I think that the New Jersey county articles are a strong start, but where the California articles come off better is in history an other sections where there is greater work in prose and descriptions of geography, economy, sports and culture. I'd love to see one of the New Jersey county articles expanded using Orange, Los Angeles or Nape counties as a model, perhaps with one of the weaker county articles. Castncoot, kudos to you on the ethnodemographic side, which should be ported over to other counties, and I agree that Hudson County would be a good place to start, probably followed by Essex and Passaic in the area. JaconaFrere, I think that we are reaching some sort of consensus on some of the wording for area and other data, and I hope that we can mutually agree on some wording that would allow us to use AWB (or other tools) to apply the changes on a more consistent, thorough and faster basis. It's amazing what one person can do, but all the more work can be accomplished working together. Alansohn (talk) 18:05, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like a plan. Castncoot (talk) 21:13, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

As far as the wording on the land/water area goes, I think I like the "including" or "composed of" wording best. Anything to get rid of that extra comma and the two "of it"s. Jacona (talk) 21:54, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Will transpose this thread to the Talk page of Hudson County. Castncoot (talk) 20:58, 13 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Use of the Definite Article in the Title

Isn't it bad style to use the definite article in the title such as The Lewis School of Princeton? I've had other pages I created using the definite article changed by other editors to remove it. Is that wrong? Clarification would be helpful. Djkeddie (talk) 12:08, 21 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Djkeddie, as to the use of the definite article, see WP:THE. An argument could be made either way, and you might well have support for removal of the definite article. The issue is the way you handled the removal. The proper way to do it is to move the article. What you did was a Cut-and-paste move, which would leave the new article having none of the edit history of the original version. See WP:Requested moves for the process of requesting a move to effectively rename the article. Alansohn (talk) 13:49, 21 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Currently rewriting Kittatinny Mountain

Alansohn, guru on all things New Jersey -- I am presently sandboxing a rewrite of Kittatinny Mountain at User:JackTheVicar/sandbox/Box5. I just wrote up a table for the various named prominences along the mountain as table of elevations/locations but the table became much larger than I expected and aesthetically disruptive (no one likes big tables in the middle of an article). Before I answer my own question--after reviewing it and if you get an idea where I seem to be going comprehensively with my draft rewrite--do you think I should (a) keep it in is present location? (b) make the table collapsible? or (c) keep the geographical features section a prose paragraph, incorporate some elevation information into the prose, and move the table to the end, creating a new section for "list of prominences and elevations" or something along those lines? or (d) remove it entirely and let the location and elevation information be in the smaller location/site articles? or (e) create a new article "List of elevations/prominences/features" article incorporating the table? or (f) something I haven't thought of yet that you see as a better option? I'm leaning toward C primarily, or at least E, but I'd prefer an outside set of eyes for suggestions. JackTheVicar (talk) 19:23, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

JackTheVicar, I'd lean to c. I would only consider e if you were going to create an article that went beyond the mere list. I know that this isn't a finished product, but you've made major improvements so far. Alansohn (talk) 22:15, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks, Alansohn, c it will be. This is a topic close to my heart since I've been a trail maintainer for years and spend way too much time outdoors in the area. JackTheVicar (talk) 22:33, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

St. Joseph Regional School Hammonton NJ

I see that this page is no longer accessible. What makes the sister high school notable and not the elemntary school? MikeJDavi (talk) 02:49, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

MikeJDavi, take a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Schools/Article guidelines, which describes the general consensus that high schools have a presumption of notability that elementary schools don't share. Take a look at the scope and breadth of the sources in the high school article and compare it to the distinct lack of such references in the article for the elementary school. Alansohn (talk) 03:28, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If references to this article then would it be acceptable to keep? There are many articles regarding elementary schools that currently exist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MikeJDavi (talk • contribs) 11:16, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

MikeJDavi, it's not just adding sources; it's adding references that show that this particular school is notable (in the Wikipedia sens of the term) in the face of overwhelming consensus by Wikipedia editors that elementary schools are not notable. Alansohn (talk) 14:23, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Paula Kassell

Hello ,

I'm creating this article in french (fr:Paula Kassell) and will create fr:New Directions for Women, but I can't read New York Times articles; if you have a NYT subscription, can you send me by email content of these two papers please: [1], [2]?

If you don't, do you know how I can find them (I tried to buy one of them, but due to expiration of my debit card at the end of the month, NYT website refuses...)?

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Saddlebrook High School

Hi. Thank you for correcting my erroneous edit. I had relied on the MP's official bio that was published on his website. It seems the author got them mixed up. I also found this source where he did mention that it was in FL. Ali Fazal (talk) 02:05, 11 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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