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I have spent some little tine reading through your posts. I presume that you are aware that you have failed to give any details whatsoever about your so-called Prophesy, or any details whatsoever about what you are pleased to call the Multiverse war. Assuming that you are unable to do so, have you considered seeking psychiatric help?--Anthony Bradbury^"talk" 14:06, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

of course I can give Details about both. What do you want to know? And, no, I don't need a psychiatrist. --AlaneOrenProst (talk) 07:28, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

OK. What does the Prophesy actually say?--Anthony Bradbury^"talk" 11:15, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

the Prophecy tells a lot about future (and, although extremly Patchy, past [the entire 20th Century is just 3 dated Predictions worth. That's also the Amount given for the first half of the 21th Century.]) human history. More exactly said, it tells 3 different Histories (the first CTL, branching of from Main-Timeline in mid 27th Century with a Probality of 25%, ETL branching of in 2798 with 37,5% and the TTL, also branching of in 2798 with 37,5%) until there respective Point of differences. The Multiverse-War definitly happen in The ETL, probaly happen in the CTL (thats not fully clear, as the CTL is much more obscure and fragmentary as the other both timelines) and definitly did not happen in the TTL.

so, if you ask, what the Prophecy actually says, you have to be more precisly, w3ith what you mean. --AlaneOrenProst (talk) 12:05, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Edit: I have to correct myself. The 3 different Histories are not told until there Points of Differences (that wouldn't make sense), they are told as one until the Point of Difference, and after that told parralel. Don't know, how I could have messed up it that way. --AlaneOrenProst (talk) 15:43, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

In other words you don't know or can't say. Fine; end of conversation.--Anthony Bradbury^"talk" 17:17, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

of Course I know. I Just don't know, what exactly do you want from me. So, please, give me an clear Question. --AlaneOrenProst (talk) 17:25, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

PS: and, if you look closely, you will find, that I already said you something important. This "Timeline"-Thiong, I mentioned before, is essential for understanding the whole Structure of the Prophecy. Whithout understanding this, the whole Prophecy would seem selfcontradictionary, but with it, everything makes sense. So you really can't say, I would have told you nothing. --AlaneOrenProst (talk) 17:35, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I will have one more go. What events does the Prophecy predict? That is a simple, clear, unambiguous question.--Anthony Bradbury^"talk" 20:54, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

well, for example for example the terran-eridan-war (2798 - 2848, ETL and TTL), the terran-Cygnian-war (2886-2923 - just TTL) with the subsequent thousand-years-anomie (until 4089 in the TTL) or the Eridan-Cygnian-War (3029-3065 - just ETL) and, ultimativly, the Multiverse-War, from 4169 ETL onwards (I didn't decipherd the end Date jet). This are the Focus-Points, where the Prophecy is at the most detailed state. For these Important Phases in history there are practically a dozen Predictions for every Day (while, as I said before, the 20th Century or the first Half of the 21th Century, has all together just 3 Predictions, because it is so far away from the focuspoints.)--AlaneOrenProst (talk) 21:07, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

more exactly said: the terran-Cygnian-War and the Conclusion of the thousand-years-anomie are Focuspoints, the thousand-years-anomie itself isn't. --AlaneOrenProst (talk) 11:56, 22 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

RefDesk

I removed your question on the reference desk. As it stands, what you have written sounds nonsensical and contentious, no context is provided for anyone - save you - to understand what you are asking. Please reframe your question if you are going to ask again. You may want to consider what Wikipedia is and is supposed to be, perhaps you, yourself, should locate a better forum for discussion.Phoenixia1177 (talk) 08:23, 23 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not edit war. Your question, as it stands, does not belong on the refdesk. If you'd like to ask it, please consider rephrasing it; if you feel that you are being unfairly treated, rather than get in a remove/unremove cycle, take your case to the talk page and see what other editors think.Phoenixia1177 (talk) 08:31, 23 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

(conflicting edits) look one upward for the context. And, actually, locating to " a better forum for discussion" is what I want to do. I am just asking for one.--AlaneOrenProst (talk) 08:34, 23 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I understand your intent, which is perfectly fine, the problem is that your question, as such, cannot be answered by us. I don't believe that anyone at the refdesk has any idea what the "Prophecy" is, we definitely cannot answer where you, personally, would be happier discussing the matter - it is a matter of your preference. I'm not against what you're trying to do, just informing you that there is no way we can really help with it; thus, my suggestion that you look for such a forum on your own. Try googling whatever topics are related, then, add the word "forum" after it, you'll end up somewhere that works. Good Luck:-)Phoenixia1177 (talk) 08:37, 23 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You haven't told us whether this prophecy was revealed just to you personally, or whether you read about is somewhere. If the latter, perhaps you could find a forum there. Dbfirs 08:52, 23 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

sort of both. I found one of (as far as known) 2 original exemplars of the Prophecy, and, with the help of the one who found the other one, started to decipher its Meaning.--AlaneOrenProst (talk) 08:58, 23 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It sounds like a Star Trek extension story. Have you tried their forums? Dbfirs 09:03, 23 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

no, it's not Science-Fiction, it's our real future. (although the other one plans to write the Prophecy into a Science-Fiction novel)--AlaneOrenProst (talk) 09:06, 23 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Let us know when the novel is published. If it becomes popular, we could have a Wikipedia article about it. Dbfirs 09:15, 23 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I doubt it. The Blackmird-Molotov-Reich-Effect (which basicly says, that the Universe is trying to surpress any attempt to alter the Timeline) will ensure, that the Novel will either never finished, or never get any relevance on the history(most likely meaning, that hte Novel will never be popular - for whatever reasons). And even if the Novel will be published and be popular enough for a Wikipedia-Article, it will call doom to the Wikipedia-Servers, to supress any posibility a larger Number of people will know about the Prophecy in Detail.--AlaneOrenProst (talk) 09:30, 23 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

We have no article on the Blackmird Molotov Reich Effect. Does it have another name? It's a well-known effect in Science Fiction. Dbfirs 09:44, 23 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

of course no body know about the Effect yet, It's Part of the Prophecy (first ammendment to the third scroll)--AlaneOrenProst (talk) 09:47, 23 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

also, as I see now, I mistipped. It's Blackbird, not Blackmird.--AlaneOrenProst (talk) 10:22, 23 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

John Wyndham wrote ""every instant an atom of time splits" in The Seeds of Time before 1956 (I remember reading it before I'd ever heard of quantum mechanics), and the Many-worlds interpretation (leading to the idea of Multiverse) was published in 1957, but I assume Wyndham had read some earlier papers. I think of your Blackbird Molotov Reich Effect and other similar theories about the stability of timelines and quickly decaying perturbations in a deterministic universe as being the opposite of "Many Worlds". Dbfirs 12:22, 23 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

nah, it's not that way. There is most definitly a multiverse (how else could there be a multiverse-War?). The Blackbird-Molotov-Reich-Effect just applies, if you try to change the Past of your own Universe. Also it is a bit more complex than just "timeline stability". I Just explained it this way, to cut Explanation short. It is more like the Butterfly-Effect (aka exponential differences between unchanged and changed) first, than followed by a exponentiell reduction, until the Changes made no difference. (It's hard to explain, you could visualize it with a graph of a a*t^k*e^(-n*t²)-Function)--AlaneOrenProst (talk) 12:30, 23 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, exponential decay of perturbations to the timeline is exactly how it's described in other science fiction. But if all perturbations decay to a fixed pre-determined timeline, then why would "Multiverses" exist? ... or do you mean just "Alternative Universes"? (part of the one universal universe in my definition) Dbfirs 13:40, 23 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

as I explained, these exponentiell Decay of the perturbations just applies to Differences due to Time-Travel. Differences based on Random Events still produce Alternate Universes. --AlaneOrenProst (talk) 13:49, 23 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I see. But will there not be alternate universes in which the perturbations did not decay because of random events? I've been trying to find a prophecy forum for you but cannot find one on prophecy in general. Why don't you create your own website to publish your prophecy? ... or will the Blackbird-Molotov-Reich-Effect ensure that the site vanishes from the internet? If so, wouldn't that be a good test of the prophecy? Dbfirs 14:04, 23 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

how should that "ranbdom events prevent Decay"-Thing work? You have to think 4-Dimensional. If someone from the future travels back in time within his own Universe, he will still be in his own Universe, and therefore can not affect the alternate ones, just his own. And then the Blackbird-Molotov-Reich-Effect will happen, and ensure, that the Universe will stay the same.

In regards to your website Idea: not neceassary, the Effect will just garantie, that the website will have no effect on larger History, either by making sure nobody believe what is written there, nobody read it, or that something happens that make sure it will disappear. Something similiar happend already (what do you think I did in the Months since the last Time I was at this Wiki? I was the whole Time replacing 50.000 Copys of the Prophecy, that were destroyd by, what I call "suspicously-simultan-accidents", conjured by the Blackbird-Molotov-Reich-Effect.)--AlaneOrenProst (talk) 14:21, 23 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

So all your efforts are doomed to failure? The Blackbird-Molotov-Reich-Effect is already causing me to lose interest in this discussion. Sorry! Dbfirs 14:35, 23 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

possibly. Unless I succed in forcing the Universe to give up first. But that's kinda like trying to hold up a large Stone, hoping that at some Point gravity gives up.--AlaneOrenProst (talk) 14:37, 23 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

We do have an article on Anti-gravity if that helps ... fade out ...Dbfirs 14:46, 23 January 2014 (UTC) [reply]

not really, unless there is something about Anti-Casuality too. --AlaneOrenProst (talk) 14:56, 23 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ultimately, the only place on Wikipedia you should discuss this Prophecy is here on your talk page. See WP:NOT and you will find many points that apply to this Prophecy. However, you might try re-phrasing the question and it might be more acceptable to the reference desk. The way it is written now (I've included it below) it sounds like you are Trolling about how wrong Wikipedia is. Try some thing like: "I have Prophecy about the future and I want to find people who will discuss it seriously. Where could I find them?" Just a diplomacy point. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 09:24, 23 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

yeah, your formulation sounds better. I think, I will go with it.--AlaneOrenProst (talk) 09:59, 23 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for refactoring your question:-)Phoenixia1177 (talk) 11:52, 23 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

looking for a more open minded forum for discussion

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since, as I had to realize it the last Time I tried, the Wikipedia-Staff ist to narrow-minded for any serious discussion about the Prophecy and Ways to avert it, it seems to me, I have to look for a more open-minded Place to discuss this Issue and organize Help to handle it. Do you know some forum, that isn't as bounded to what the Establishment want erverybody to believe, and where I can talk seriously about the Prophecy and how to avoid it happening? --AlaneOrenProst (talk) 07:55, 23 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps you can't talk seriously about the Prophecy and how to avoid it happening, because the Blackbird-Molotov-Reich-Effect ensures that your efforts will decay exponentially. Dbfirs 14:09, 23 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

sort of yes. The Effect will ensure, that all my efforts will fail, possibly by enhancing already existing scepticism against Prophecys. --AlaneOrenProst (talk) 14:12, 23 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]