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Color contrast ratio

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Requested ACC perms per WT:Help desk § ACC needs help!. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 18:33, 27 March 2013 (UTC)


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re "remember me doesn't work" on Help desk (16 March)

Apparently you've been having the same problem as I've been having with logging in and the "remember me" checkbox? Rourke (talk) 21:07, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Funny you should mention it. I was just about to go back and post about it at VPT. It's been about 2 weeks since I've had to log in – like they fixed it. Of course, my browser has been running this whole time – I just hibernate the machine between sessions – but that never used to keep it from requiring me to log in every day or two. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 21:29, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
Well, they haven't fixed it for me. I just re-posted about it on the Help Desk again. PS, what's VPT? Rourke (talk) 20:38, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
Are you keeping the browser open, or closing it between "sessions"? VPT is WP:VPT. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 00:43, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
Ah, no, I've never checked WP:VPT before until today -- I'll see if there's an answer there later today. And it's both -- sometimes I close the browser immediately after logging out, sometimes I open a new tab, sometimes I just jump to another tab already opened. And it's still a problem after all this time. Rourke (talk) 12:02, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

A couple of weeks ago, it was broken for a few days again, but I noticed that the "remember me" box was unchecked when I had to log in again. I haven't had to log in again since checking it that time, and I've even closed the browser several times. I expect that, if it doesn't work for you, it's something related to the cookie(s) on your machine getting deleted/expired/modified or something. I'm not sure exactly how the process works, and didn't get an answer when I asked. I've got a number of cookies that are sent when posting this reply, including:

  • userbuckets:...
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—[AlanM1(talk)]— 18:52, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

OK, AlanM1, I'm sorry I haven't replied to this in a while but it's still a problem for me. The only thing I know about cookies is what they are -- I don't understand that bulleted list you posted. What do you think I should try next? Rourke (talk) 23:33, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
Sorry, but without further understanding of how it works (which I don't have), I can't provide much. Just make sure whatever your security software is (including security settings in your browser), it is allowing cookies to be used by wikipedia in your browser. You might also try a different browser. I use Firefox and am happy with it (and it works in this regard as well). —[AlanM1(talk)]— 02:46, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
I checked Firefox's settings, went to Privacy, found the section on cookies. I was deleting my cookies after every session, or something (I still have a list of cookies, so I guess it didn't delete them all?) Anyway, I changed the settings to not delete cookies "until they expire." I'm not sure, but I think this is what the problem was. Sorry for bugging you about it and thank you for your replies. Rourke (talk) 21:40, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

IRC cloak request

Cloak requested. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 06:04, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Hello AlanM1. You recently applied for a Wikimedia IRC cloak, but it looks like you forgot to register your nickname first. Could you please log on to IRC and do:
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After you finish all of that, I'd be happy to get you a cloak. :-) If you have any questions, feel free to ask me on my Meta talk page. Barras talk 11:46, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
 Done —[AlanM1(talk)]— 12:18, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
Sorry for the late reply, but I'm busy these days. What nick did you choose on freenode? I can't find a memo from "AlanM1" or any similar name. (reply on meta please, I can't watch all wikis ;-)) -Barras talk 19:06, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
Ignore that, I found it! -Barras talk 19:44, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks! —[AlanM1(talk)]— 04:28, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

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Account creator topicon

Hi Alan, I noticed on your user page that you are displaying an account creator topicon. However you don't have the WP:Account creator user right, which is what that topicon is for (not just having access to the ACC interface). Given that, you should probably remove the topicon until you have account creator user rights. Regards, Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 05:59, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

 Done That dichotomy is sure strange. There really should be a different name, like Manual Account Creator. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 06:35, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. Not really having the account creator right just lets you do some extra things, the difference isn't that big. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 08:07, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
If you're looking for a userbox for having tool access this is it...Template:User wikipedia/acctoolserveruser. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 08:09, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
I understand – it just makes the documentation language ambiguous. I also want to discuss the followup on one the cases I handled, which I'll do by email later Thursday. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 10:07, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
Yeah I suppose it does really. Yep no worries, I'm not doing to be around until Sunday (UTC) but I'm sure someone else will be around to comment, if not I'll have a look when I get back. Regards, Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 02:20, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

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Mobile TV

You said this section needed work. I wrote most of it, and all I can say is that each time I read an article on the topic in Broadcasting & Cable online, I would add to the article. It's not ideal, I admit, but all the information is important.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 21:32, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Actually, I wrote the HTML comment "--Another section in extreme need of a trim --AlanM1--", but did not add the hatnote – it was added later here. Note also that other editors have worked on the section extensively, making similar comments in the edit summaries as they broke apart some of the sentences and paragraphs. I contend, though, that the level of detail in the section is still too high, resulting in WP:TLDR for all but the most dedicated reader.
A more effective style, if you really want to convey the minutia of who started what service when (for which I still dispute the necessity), might be a timeline representation of some sort. A table with date, carrier, call sign (if any), and description, would be far more accessible than the wall of text that is there now. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 02:00, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
I was surprised when I saw complaints about the lack of paragraphs in the history, because it does look so much better with paragraphs. I don't know what I was thinking before. I should probably have a second look at whether some things can be moved. In another article about the evolving technology, I found it was possible to communicate the information in the articles about the individual TV stations and not lose anything.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 19:00, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
When I get time, I can probably move some of the references to individual TV stations into their own articles. If those links don't work I'll have to be at a library to have free access to the articles.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 20:40, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
Some of the D.C. stations already had details on the test and on their mobile DTV service in their articles. I added information about the test to each article and took out the list from the main article. I think this works. It's a very small first step.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 20:25, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

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'Abandoned' template documentation subpage

Hi. Could you please delete User:AlanM1/Template/Color contrast ratio/doc? It's cluttering up Category:Documentation subpages without corresponding pages (and it appears to be long irrelevant and just overlooked). Thanks. Revent (talk) 19:15, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Yup  Done (tagged for CSD proc, at least) —[AlanM1(talk)]— 01:22, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

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Thank you for removing that redundant "WP:HlTLER" shortcut from WP:DV which some fuckers tended to abuse for the purpose of making an intentional insults, I really appreciate that! 173.68.110.16 (talk) 19:20, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your thoughtful comments. (I couldn't find the homonym, which bothers me enormously.) RN RSN813 (talk) 04:09, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

c/sensors, though I suppose it works the other way, too – it just wasn't the meaning I intended. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 07:03, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

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TOC templates

As I said on my Talk page, your approach to {{List TOC Letters}} makes more sense than mine.

I have just implemented {{List TOC|first letter=G|last letter=M}} in its sandbox. The code looks crazy with all those #switch statements (since #expr does not support strings), but it seems to work. I just don’t know whether it does so efficiently.

Do you think we should (re)merge both templates? We would remove my icon solution (with first/last/next/prev/base parameters) and keep your u1–4 and z1–4 parameters as well as my first/last letter parameters. — Christoph Päper 14:13, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

While the letter range is easier to add for the editor, it doesn't handle the cases where some letters should not exist, or numbers/symbols in addition to letters. Wouldn't it be better to have the flexibility at the expense of a little extra work for the editor (i.e. to iterate each choice)? —[AlanM1(talk)]— 00:53, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
I've merged my changes into the live template, documented them, and implemented it in the three color list articles. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 12:46, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

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The thing that generates the human-readable names and descriptions is a small JSON data structure, loaded through an extension called TemplateData. I'm reaching out to you in the hopes that you'd be willing and able to put some time into adding TemplateData to high-profile templates. It's pretty easy to understand (heck, if I can write it, anyone can) and you can find a guide here, along with a list of prominent templates, although I suspect we can all hazard a guess as to high-profile templates that would benefit from this. Hopefully you're willing to give it a try; the more TemplateData sections get added, the better the interface can be. If you run into any problems, drop a note on the Feedback page.

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Will do. Thanks. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 21:21, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

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I have verified all airports where I used the coordinates by looking at the airport in Google and getting the coordinates from Google. All the airports where I used the coordinates are actually really there. I maintain the database at Landings myself, and I have looked at some 40,000 airports over the last 10 years to verify coordinates, so I am sure that all these coordinates are as accurate as Google is. Günther Eichhorn 02:45, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

How can I reference Google Maps as a source for the coordinates? Günther Eichhorn 03:29, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

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User Tja5280 added a bunch of ELs to the JWA.org website back in June. As you know, she was reverted, and hasn't been back since. I looked into it and finding that I agree with you that the ELs are valid, I undid several of the reverts (I'm not done yet but I'm taking a break for about a week). I left a more detailed note about my reverts on Tja5280's talk page. Thanks. --108.45.72.196 (talk) 02:07, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

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Well done. Now, if I can just get around to organizing and cleaning up the ribbons I cropped, and comparing them to what we have and decide which to use... —[AlanM1(talk)]— 01:53, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

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Date formatting at Elmore Leonard

You were incorrect to invoke the date format consistency rule -- before I revised every citation, there was no consistent format. I established it and you have unfortunately "broken" consistency with your edit. I am not going to make any edits which contravene your edits as I do not have any feeling of ownership over the piece nor feel strongly things _must_ be one way or another; rather, I am pointing out my opinion of your date formatting revisions. I did take pains to look back to the VERY first introduction of dates into citations ... which came quite late in the life of the article ... and compared that to what had transpired since, which was why I made a wholesale change to something consistent ... albeit not to everyone's liking (no edit seems to ever please everyone). Regards --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 00:21, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

@Ceyockey:: I'm not in the habit of changing date formats either, so I did look up policy before doing so. I only did it while doing other edits on the article and probably should have talked to you first. Thanks for coming here without reverting first.
  1. WP:STRONGNAT, bullet 1: Articles on topics with strong ties to a particular English-speaking country should generally use the more common date format for that nation. Leonard is the quintessential American author.
  2. WP:DATERET, bullet 1: If an article has evolved using predominantly one format, the whole article [emphasis mine] should conform to it, unless there are reasons for changing it based on strong national ties to the topic or consensus on article talk. To me, whole article includes captions, citations, ELs, etc. Specifically because of this, there was significant discussion over whether, and an exception created, to allow accessdate and archivedate to differ, using YYYY-MM-DD, since that format had become prevalent for those fields.
  3. At this rev, there were 2 MDY-format cites, 1 DMY-format cite, and 15 other undated cites – technically more MDY than DMY. Even if you discount this to "no existing format", WP:STRONGNAT should apply in choosing a format. I choose DMY when writing an article about, or putting the first dates in, subjects with strong ties outside the U.S.
As an experienced international business software developer, I've spent a great deal of time dealing with money, date, and other cultural differences, getting them "right" for the intended user/audience. If I have a bias, it's toward YYYY-MM-DD for technical and logical reasons, though I realize that trying to impose it is a non-starter. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 02:04, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

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