User talk:Polished-Aware

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	For your improvements of all things Atherton. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 03:11, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

So kind !! Much appreciated Adin-Atherton (talk) 03:18, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Edit summaries

Hello again! I was checking out your articles created list today and it is most impressive. I added a few items to the talk pages using the rater tool, which is super handy for adding Wikiprojects and rating the page quality (stub, start, C, B, A...). One tip, if I may: try to always leave an edit summary for your edits. It is important for other editors to see what the edit was, and it is also considered standard practice. Also, let me know if you have any editing questions! Thanks.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 06:25, 25 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much ! Adin-Atherton (talk) 10:56, 25 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Atherton articles

Hi Adin-Atherton! I love that you are creating so many articles for Atherton people — it's hilarious in a good way :) If I may offer a small suggestion, you might find it useful to put a note at the top of your user page clarifying that you have no connection to the Athertons you write about – my initial thought (like that of some users above, it seems) was that you might have had a COI. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 03:31, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. Good idea. And yes I have no conflict of interest with any articles subject I write about Adin-Atherton (talk) 03:36, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Bloody Brook

Hello. Earlier today I received your note about Rev. Hope Atherton's involvement in the Battle of Bloody Brook. While the addition of Hope Atherton to the article was placed after my edits, I was curious and drilled down on 3 of the citations. Unfortunately, I was unable to get full access to the Schulz/Tougias history which will probably straighten things out considerably. I can say that Michael Tougias is a reputable author. The other two sources frankly don't get to the heart of the matter, as the Otis genealogy refers to the remarrying of Hope Atherton's widow (p. 191) citing the battle, indirectly, as the instrument of his death, while the "Adventure" source speaks to his being lost in the woods during the later Turner expedition. That citation seems to call the Otis' genealogy's reference in doudt, but it also seems somewhat unreliable. Please get a hold of the Schulz/Tougias book., which should square things up. Please let me know. It's fascinating history. Bill McKenna (talk) 00:29, 20 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much. I have found an accessible Schultz/Tougias title: King Philip's War: The History and Legacy of America's Forgotten Conflict Is this the source? In case they collaborated on a few titles. I need to read thought it and report back.

https://books.google.com/books?id=14f2vPG_yfcC&pg=PA182&lpg=PA182&dq=Schulz/Tougias+history+atherton&source=bl&ots=mKE7Y7mY5q&sig=ACfU3U180BN1zeipzoce87SVYsvWkSK0sw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjbj5PW8Y_tAhUhwuYKHYD9De4Q6AEwDHoECA0QAQ#v=onepage&q=atherton&f=false

Adin-Atherton (talk) 01:01, 20 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Aline Sybil Atherton-Smith

Hi, I was very interested to read your research on Aline Sybil, thank you for posting this. I notice that you made no reference to David Atherton-Smith who she married and who was working in similar fields - for example he was awarded a medal by Vienna University for his humanitarian work there post WW1. Is David the person you refer to (ref 19) as her brother? - he was her husband... Do you know if they had children? - I assume that you would have mentioned that had you found reference to it... I have separately found reference to her death in England. edoldorchard2@gmail.com 2A00:23C8:450D:7C01:A079:E4A8:6359:973C (talk) 11:59, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Good evening. I must say you have spiked my interest. I updated my ref 19 (in Aline's article) from "brother" to "husband", however I am actively seeking evidence elsewhere of a marriage just to validate this fact. Do you know Aline's maiden name per chance?

Note: Aline's birth is stated as Nov 13, 1875 and it is fascinating to see that the would-be invaders knew her DoB when they added her to "the book".

Moving on to David A-S. If he is sufficiently notable I may be able to create a bio (time permitting). I came across a German language website stating that he was Deputy Head of the "European Student Relief" of the World's Student Christian Federation, which was founded in Vienna, Austria in 1920. Like Aline it states that he was also a member of the Society of Friends. I haven't found him in their records yet. That's not to say he wasn't a Quaker. He must surely have been. Did they know his history? His abandoned child?

His origins perplex me. I'm not 100% sure, but lets say I'm 80% confident that he is David Atherton-Smith (July 20, 1871 - 1958), a Scottish impressionist and modern painter. If so, he was the son of James Smith, a Manufacturer. The Atherton origin / hyphen is unknown since his mother was Janet. I do not know her maiden name. David Atherton-Smith, the artist, married Naunette Dalmas (1868-1944), a US Citizen and the daughter of Charles Joseph Dalmas of Philadelphia. For the record, the Dalmas family were of paternal French heritage. Charles Dalmas is recorded as being a gentleman when his daughter married in St. James, Paddington on July 28, 1903. The marriage certificate and divorce papers reveal a link to Paris. He painted and exhibited there. The entire collection of the lengthy divorce, petitioned by Naunette is 17 pages. Interestingly it was closed to the public until 2014. It outlines the whole story: of David's infidelity, the hotel in London, years of abandonment, of a young son David had abandoned.

You asked about a son..... Nigel was born Feb 24, 1907 and became a linguist. After WW2 he refers to himself as Major in the Lincoln telephone directory from the 1950's. He died in 1993.

Back to the divorce papers, Aline is not stated as a party to the proceedings. Maybe it was another lady. Nevertheless, "Mr. & Mrs. A.Smith of Paris" were recorded in he visitors ledger of the Faulkners Hotel in Charing Cross in 1911. He was then living in Etaples, nr Le Touquet on the north coast of France. The divorce papers between 1909-1917 (Court File: 2684) are deposited in the British National Archives. I then found in the same archives a Medical Card. He appears to have volunteered in WW1 serving as an administrator in the French Red Cross. This ties in nicely with Aline who was doing humanitarian work there and it is likely that they moved to Vienna. I had found Aline traveling from Buenos Aires, Argentina to Southampton, England in the late 1930's but am unable to give you further detail.

Images of his paintings are are on the internet. and worldcat.org records 2 books cataloguing his works of art in 1913 and 1915. I found that he survived Aline by 2 years. His death was recorded in April 1958 in Lewisham, London at the age of 87.

I hope that you found my research informative. Feel free to share as much detail as you are able. Adin-Atherton (talk) 22:58, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

David Atherton-Smith

Were you trying to nominate David Atherton-Smith at DYK? Try Wikipedia:Did you know/Create new nomination. If you have any questions about using that template, please feel free to post a request for help at WT:DYK. Good luck. — Maile (talk) 02:34, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I will read Adin-Atherton (talk) 13:20, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for improving the Frank Peabody Atherton article

So.... are you like a distant relative of this famous late 19th century composer by any chance? I did my best trying to find relevant sources for almost a month. Komitsuki (talk) 08:26, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. No conflict of interest. I do enjoy researching deceased individuals with specific last names. A name study of sorts. I created an article which you edited: Florence Atherton Spalding, and that’s how I first came across Frank Peabody. Then a second time when researching the humanitarian efforts of Charlie Atherton. I look at Atherton’s who used that name as a first name, last name and middle name.

Well done for this rediscovery! Adin-Atherton (talk) 09:05, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Supposition

This is a bit old, but I've just discovered and fixed the issue, so now is the time to address you about it.

In this series of edits to Peter Atherton (manufacturer), you added:

It is likely that he descends from a Peter Atherton of Liverpool town bailiff in 1673), who was manufacturing half-penny tokens at this location in 1688 bearing a sugar loaf to represent his business.^[1]

The cited source verifies the existence of the elder Atherton, but in no way verifies that the two are related. An supposition that they were would have to be considered original research.

References

^ Boyne, William (1889). Williamson, George C. (ed.). "Trade Tokens Issued in the Seventeenth Century in England, Vol 1".

WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 14:54, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps there is an opportunity to reframe the language to emphasise the absence of evidence supporting the supposition? If there is no mileage in that, then I concur with your decision; unless credible evidence can be found to substantiate the connection. Thank you. Adin-Atherton (talk) 19:50, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alternative wording: Atherton was not the first to produce tokens at this location. It is probable that his lineage is linked to Peter Atherton, a town bailiff in Liverpool in 1673 who produced half-penny tokens in 1688 featuring a sugar loaf to symbolize his business

Could this work and thus preserve my research; and allow others to find evidence (a link to the sugar loaf emblem ?) Adin-Atherton (talk) 08:46, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, I don't think so. You still have no evidence to link Peter Atherton (manufacturer) to the prior Peter Atherton. The mere existence of another person with the same name does not guarantee that they were related. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 12:44, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Original research

I note that you have been extensively researching and adding content about people with your own family name of Atherton. I will caution that language such as "it is likely..." and "may have..." are often signs of original research. Unless your cited sources have expressed the same level of doubt, but instead, you, yourself, are introducing the doubt because you do not have sufficient sources, it is better to just avoid introducing facts of which you are not sure. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 15:01, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Noted. Thank you Adin-Atherton (talk) 19:52, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

August 2024

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As per my profile there is no COI. Thank you Adin-Atherton (talk) 07:55, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your username suggests otherwise. It seems to indicate you are related to the people you're writing about. I'd advise you get it changed if you aren't. If you are, it's pretty much the dictionary definition of a COI. - Sumanuil. _{(talk to me)} 08:00, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can confirm that I am not related to any individuals I research. Atherton is a last name, sometimes a first name and a place name in several countries. Adin-Atherton (talk) 08:06, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am prepared to change my username but do not know how to do this Adin-Atherton (talk) 08:07, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:RENAME has instructions. - Sumanuil. _{(talk to me)} 08:21, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

September 2024

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Hello. I disagree. There is no copyright violation. I am quoting Marshall, John (1831) and using my own words between. "Royal Naval Biography/Naval Operations in Ava, Chapter 1-3, is outside copyright (over 100 years). I am modifying some words but this is my research and not from a wayback deleted web page that you have quoted. Polished-Aware (talk) 21:10, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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[1] Boyne, William (1889). Williamson, George C. (ed.). "Trade Tokens Issued in the Seventeenth Century in England, Vol 1".

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