User talk:Ace theMaster

May 2022

Welcome to Wikipedia, and thank you for your contributions. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, please note that there is a Manual of Style that should be followed to maintain a consistent, encyclopedic appearance. Deviating from this style, as you did in Emo, disturbs uniformity among articles and may cause readability or accessibility problems. Please take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. See MOS:THEMUSIC and MOS:NICKNAMETHE. Binksternet (talk) 11:59, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Binksternet - I did not deviate from Wikipedia's Manual of Style. Please look at MOS: THEMUSIC example:

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However, the, a, or an should be capitalized mid-sentence when it begins the title (or subtitle) of an album or other artwork:

- The double album The Beatles is commonly known as the White Album.

- She released a cover version of "A Brand New Day" from The Wiz.

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The article "the" in the artist's name "The Wiz" is left capitalized.

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I also do not think your reference MOS:NICKNAMETHE is applied correctly, as a musical band's name is not a "nickname", it is their official name.

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As far as "disturbing uniformity", that is not the case, and I have referenced that as well. One can see in the same Emo page, down in the section Fashion and subculture, there are bands listed with the article "the" capitalized, as in "The Used", "The Red Jumpsuit Apparatus", and "The All-American Rejects". As a result, by capitalizing the article "the" in "The Promise Ring" and "The Get Up Kids", I am actually bring uniformity to the Wikipedia article. Leaving it as it is, creates nonuniformity.

Furthermore, referencing the artist's Twitter page, it clearly shows in their description that they consider the article "the" significant enough to be explicitly capitalized: "The official twitter feed of the band, The Promise Ring." As a result, going back to the Wikipedia Manual of Style, specifically Capitalization of The, this falls in to "conventional exceptions", as the artist themself is using a capital "The" mid-sentence in a continuous prose. Ace theMaster (talk) 14:40, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but Wikipedia had a huuuuuge discussion about this back in 2012 (Wikipedia talk:Requests for mediation/The Beatles), and determined that Wikipedia's house style should be lower case 'the' in running prose. You are slamming against this giant wall of consensus with no chance of winning your argument. MOS:NICKNAMETHE comes into play when a musical act uses a stage name such as the Game or the Notorious B.I.G., and also with producer groups such as the Neptunes. Binksternet (talk) 14:54, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I read that discussion, and from it I saw that the author of the closure inquired on how "The Beatles" reference themselves. As a result, I provided the reference of The Promise Ring's Twitter page, where they capitalize their article "The".

A nickname is an unofficial name of a person, such as "The Boss" for Bruce Springsteen. His albums are not published by the nickname "The Boss", but by his official stage name "Bruce Springsteen". Additionally, the band "The Promise Ring" has no other name to go by, a "nickname" would mean that you, at least, have another name that people know you by. As a result, your use of MOS:NICKNAMETHE is incorrect. Furthermore, when something is a professional name, such as using your examples "The Game" and "The Notorious B.I.G.", it is not a nickname.

All writing styles, APA, MLA, Chicago, etc get revised from time to time. So shall the Wikipedia Manual of Style will be eventually. Ace theMaster (talk) 15:41, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]