User talk:A Train/Archive IX

Regarding Apparent Vandalism

Hi, Atrain, Regarding a recent message I just noticed regarding some apparent vandalism on the wiki page for "Chef". I can confidently say that the vandalism did NOT come from my end and the IP has either been spoofed, or by chance somebody has had my IP before and now I've been allocated it. More proof of this is the vandalism, which I noticed was the phrase added to the end of a paragraph, "i love your mom" - I'm Australian, I don't spell that word, short for mother, with an 'o'. Australians spell it with a 'u', "mum".

Just wanting to clear things up, I see wiki vandalism as just childish behaviour and I don't condone it at all. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.107.208.236 (talk) 13:02, 16 May 2007 (UTC).

Thanks for your concern, but don't worry. IP vandalism is dealt with on a short-term case-by-case basis. If everything is working properly, administrators will assume good faith and give IP addresses a blank slate when they come across vandalism from them. We know that the vast majority of anonymous IP edits are constructive ones. Cheers, A Train^talk 04:20, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

WP:ANI report

I would like to draw attention to Sc400 (talk · contribs) being the same person Sc4900 (talk · contribs). I have posted to ANI, as before.

Cross-post:

I had previously pointed out the edits of Sc4900 (talk · contribs) to ANI. Editor was subsequently blocked.

• Sc400 (talk · contribs) is no doubt the same
• 60.241.54.145 (talk · contribs) is also the IP used, judging from continous insertion of the same sort of articles related to Sashank etc

Clearly, this editor is trying to disrupt Wikipedia by inserting fictional creations and unsourced material. Please stop this vandal.

You had blocked him last time, so I thought I'd drop you a note as well. Regards, xC | ☎ 07:51, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, din't see you were on break. The matter was handled at ANI. Thanks anyhow, happy editing!xC | ☎ 10:01, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Redirection

Hi A Train. An article that you closed as no consensus has become a redirect to a section. For a redirect, it has a long talk page talk pages ;-) Regards, ☻ Fred|☝ discussion|✍ contributions 20:03, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

The Working Man's Barnstar

		The Working Man's Barnstar
		I'm awarding you this "Working" barnstar for your tireless and endless work on the more laborious or repetivie wikipedia tasks. We need more like you! Wikidudeman (talk) 05:01, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Unsolicited advice

I have no desire to "help" E. I haven't voted to support him because I haven't even reviewed the candidate yet, I replied to the opposes because their reasons were clearly invalid. I don't have any particular interest in getting E the mop, but, as someone who likes Wikipedia, I try to encourage people to use more common sense in their votes on RfA. Do I really need to personally like someone to want his RfA not to be opposed for ridiculous reasons? --Rory096 05:46, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

With all due respect, I don't think you understood the thrust of my comment. Let me put it another way: you're commenting because you feel that the opposers are incorrect in their opposition. If that is your aim, then you're going to find that your m.o. will just make people annoyed with you, and they will entrench themselves in their rationale. It's much easier to change minds with diplomacy than it is with sarcasm. A Train^talk 05:49, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

To the contrary, it's nearly impossible to change people's minds, especially when their viewpoint is somewhat defensible, but wrong, and other are opposing with them. My goal is to make it clear to others how silly these opposes are, to prevent people from piling on opposes with the same reasoning. --Rory096 05:54, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't think you're going to succeed, but at this point I'm repeating myself. A Train^talk 06:04, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Welcome back

Good to see you're back on here - I was just about to email you to see what the problem was! Ryan Postlethwaite 18:25, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

It's nice to be back, Ryno, and to see that you're still here, too. No problem, just lots of stuff taking precedence over WP: we moved apartments, I started a new job, etc. etc. How have you been? Any remarkable incidents or developments in the past couple of months that I should read about? A Train^talk 19:50, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Admin miscount at User talk:Rory096

My apologies, no offence intended. --Steve _(Stephen) ^talk 05:34, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

None taken whatsoever. A Train^talk 13:38, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Hmm

I'm not sure who this is, but HFOA isn't new. Definitely knows his way around ANI. Flyguy649 ^talk _contribs 21:09, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

I looked over the contribs and I totally agree, s/he's definitely not a real noob. Just based on the writing style, I have an inkling as to who it might be. A Train^talk 21:14, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

RE User Haizum

I have apologized and been punished by being blocked by you for three hours, which was a punishment I deserved for being childish enouigh to fued with Haizum after being baited about being a Lesbian. He is now watching me and adding comments and general nasty items to my contributions such as Billie Jean King. This is not fair and I feel as if I am being stalked in WIkipedia world. HE appears to have a past of general Trolling and fueding with others. Please tell him TRUCE GO AWAY I do not wish to deal with Haizum anymoreCr8tiv 17:52, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Cr8tiv, I'm sorry that you're feeling stressed out. Before I get into anything else, let me clarify that your 3 hour block last week was *not* intended as a punishment. Blocks on Wikipedia are not punitive, and I was only blocking you to give you a chance to walk away and cool down for a bit.

As for Haizum, I looked through his contributions and the only thing that I can find meeting your description was a perfectly civil contribution to Talk:Billie Jean King, recommending that the trivia section be removed. Wikipedia policy on trivia sections is pretty clear; they are to be avoided whenever possible as they tend not to be encyclopedic. If you feel like Haizum is singling you out for criticism, talk directly to him on his talk page. If it persists, come talk with me again.

I understand that you might not be anxious to "be around" Haizum, but we all have to work together here. Thanks for your contributions, A Train^talk 18:42, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough, but ask yourself, why would a man whose first language is plainly not English (his inflections and word choice are mechanical and have a Borat "now I speak English good like fellow American) style and Mr. Haizum history of Wiki edits are mostly political have not really involved American Sports. Suddenly a day after our Fued he takes an interest in Women's Tennis? Cr8tiv 20:06, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

An inflection is an altered pitch/tone of spoken word. Since when are you hearing what I'm writing? Yeah, that's what I thought. --Haizum μολὼν λαβέ 19:38, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't need this kind of bizarre, ethnically charged incivility on my talk page: [1] --Haizum μολὼν λαβέ 19:06, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

And these were totally unprovoked and racially charged: [2] [3]--Haizum μολὼν λαβέ 19:09, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Hello? --Haizum μολὼν λαβέ 23:03, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry that you and Cr8tiv are still having problems. I'm not around much lately, so if this is still an ongoing issue while I'm inactive, please take it to WP:ANI. A Train^talk 18:23, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for looking into it. If I personally need to refer said comments to WP:ANI, please let me know. --Haizum μολὼν λαβέ 20:45, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Reply

(This comment moved to User_talk:Brave_warrior#Please_communicate_with_other_editors to preserve continuity.) A Train^talk 00:34, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

User:Tmacrockets0115

That edit is fine and it is good. Tracy Mcgrady and Oliver Miller are not point forwards. That edit didn't violate any policies. Most of Tmacrockets0115's edits are good edits (except for the ones on LeBron James but that is just once and doesn't deserve a block), there are no reasons for Tmacrockets0115 to be blocked this time. Also his or her sock Kobetmacyao is not used anymore. See the contributions of that account. Brave warrior 17:25, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for getting in touch with me, and I'm sorry for the delay in replying - I'm on Wikipedia very infrequently these days. Tmacrockets0115 has long been a problem editor because 1) he does not communicate with other users, 2) edits contrary to policy despite being warned against doing so, and 3) edit wars with other users.

Tmac does make good contributions sometimes, I will grant, but many of his edits used to be edit warring with other editors. Much of Tmac's time was spent adding lists of his favorite players to articles under the guise of "notable" player lists, violating WP:OR, WP:NPOV and other policies. For more on that, I just wrote yet another explanation of this here. As a result Tmac makes articles unstable, warring with other editors about who is or is not notable, or in the case of nontraditional positions like point forward, who even qualifies as a player at that position. Worst of all, every message that I left for Tmac went unanswered. Basically, Tmac wasn't being a productive editor. The edit that I warned Tmac about was not fine, nor was it good, because of Tmac's history of editing. A Train^talk 18:18, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

That edit is good. Accourding to http://www.answers.com/topic/tracy-mcgrady, McGrady is a shooting guard and a small forward which makes him a swingman and Oliver Miller is a center according to http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=553. Tmac has made good edits such as this and this and he doen't deserve a block. Brave warrior 18:18, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Look, BW, it's been almost a month since I made that warning and I haven't blocked Tmac have I? Answers.com is a mirror of Wikipedia - it says whatever Wikipedia says. Look at the top of the article you linked to. If I write "Tracy McGrady is a duck and likes ponds" in the Tracy McGrady article and it stays in long enough, that will show up in the Answers.com article. I never disputed that Oliver Miller is a center.

I'm glad that you guys are finding sources again. As long as you all aren't getting into pointless edit wars, you need not worry about anyone being blocked. A Train^talk 18:24, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't care if answers.com is a mirror of Wikipedia. Just forget about answers.com, Wikipedia says that McGrady is a swingman and not a point forward which means McGrady is not a point forward. Therefore, that edit has no problem whatsoever. When I just came to Wikipedia I did not know much about the policies and also created edit wars during the notable sections. Now, I know those are POV and OR and I know they are bad. But when your say that Tmac has created edit wars, don't you people think who also are in those edit wars, they are you people and especially admins, so do not just blame them, also think what you did. Also, once you warned you are going to block me just because I am in a dispute with you and I did communicate on the talk pages. That is just ridiculous. Please read the blocking policy again. Brave warrior 18:40, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you're trying to say here. This is what I've gathered:

You seem to be saying that if Wikipedia says that Tracy McGrady is a swingman, that makes it so. I don't need to explain to you why that statement makes no sense, do I?

Also: if you're trying to say that Tmac wasn't the only one edit warring, you're absolutely right - he wasn't the only person that I warned or blocked. But *I* am not the one creating the edit war, I was trying to stop it and enforce policy.

As far as blocking policy is concerned, you are the one who is wrong and frankly, your tone is getting a bit hostile. You and I were never in a content dispute, you were disruptively adding unsourced information and refusing to communicate with other editors. In short, you were being disruptive. I told you that I would block you if you continued, you changed your behavior and I never blocked you. Simple. There is not an administrator on Wikipedia who would find fault with my actions. If you doubt me, ask anyone else. A Train^talk 18:52, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

I am just saying that Mcgrady is a swingman and not a point forward, is there anything not clear about that? Tmac removed those two names because they are not point forwards and not because he doesn't think those two are notable. That edit was good and I am sure anyone will agree with me on that. Brave warrior 19:22, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Read my answer from 18:18 on July 30th above. The problem is not who is or is not making factual edits, the problem is the way that they're made. Tmacrockets0115 is in the habit of making edits with a) no edit summary and b) no discussion with other editors. Wikipedia is a collaborative project. Tmac makes edits, other editors undo his edits and Tmac makes his edits again. He needs to learn to discuss changes with other editors. Look at every single message I've ever left him. Realize that the problem is not one edit, it is his pattern of editing and his style of interacting with others, i.e. not communicating at all. A Train^talk 19:38, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Salting of Score One for the Little Guy

You may want to make it permanent--there's a user named Score1forthelittleguy (talk · contribs), and he may well try to recreate it once the salting expires in October. Blueboy96 21:19, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Permanent protection is easily reversed. I might as well, huh? A Train^talk 21:21, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Regarding Patroclus

Hey friend, regarding this[4]: a slight correction actually it is in the the Illiad and also found elsewhere in Greek literature that states Patroclus was Achilles' cousin, this is not an invention of Hollywood movies. Their family tree in Greek mythology since ancient times has them related. According to Greek mythology, Achilles and Patroclus are related on their respective paternal sides: Aegina was Patroclus' paternal grandmother, and Achilles' great-grandmother. Therefore, Patroclus was first cousin to Achilles' father Peleus, and Achilles' first cousin once removed. In other ancient Greek stories the two were first cousins and even uncle/nephew: Apollodorus tells us that Patroclus was the son of Menoetius and Polymele, older half sister of Achilles and daughter of King Peleus. Even the Encyclopaedia Britannica states as much in their books and unlike Wiki no one can edit Encyclopaedia Britannica but credible scholars and historians:"According to Homer, Achilles was brought up by his mother at Phthia with his cousin and inseparable companion Patroclus".[5]; [6]

Also Anthony Bulloch. Dept. of Classics, University of California, Berkeley states the following: "The real Achilles had a close friend, an ‘alter ego’, his cousin Patroclus, who died on the battlefield of Troy wearing Achilles’ armor, while standing in for Achilles as the latter sat out the war in his tent after quarelling furiously with the Greek leader Agamemnon."[7]

So as you can see Patroclus and Achilles were cousins is an ancient Greek mythology fact and actually true. Who would have thought a Hollywood movie would get one aspect of historical elements correctly and still not be believed. LOL!. Anyway's just wanted to clear that up. Cheers and take care. ;-) Mala 01 August 2007

Thank you very much for this. A Train^talk 19:38, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

question

do you go to clutch fans? If you do, do you think t-mac is a point forward?

I don't go to Clutch Fans, which sounds like a Rockets fan site (I'm a Nets fan). I have no opinion on whether or not McGrady is a point forward. You and Brave Warrior seem to think that I'm trying to push my opinions over yours; I'm not. I'm trying to keep editors' opinions entirely out of articles. I've showed you two every related policy and you're still not 100% getting it I don't think.

That said, I'm very happy that you're making talk page entries. Next time, use four tildes (~~~~) to sign and date your post. That makes things easier for whoever you're talking to. A Train^talk 16:24, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Well i did see a guy named A-Train over at clutchFans.

Can you please look over this sockpuppet case.

http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets/EdwinCasadoBaez 64.131.205.111 05:00, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Space Navy incorrectly moved

Hi,

If you're going to rename the article, please do so by using MediaWiki's move function rather than just copying the content to a new article. That way, the page history is preserved. I've tagged the new pages for deletion; once they're removed, the article can be renamed properly. Chris Cunningham 20:10, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Ach, I'm a fool. You're absolutely right. I'm actually an admin, I'll delete the pages myself. I'm just a bit rusty having not edited much this year. Thank you for correcting me. A Train^talk 20:12, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

ANI

I'm sorry if I asked a question in the wrong place or commented on a subject you feel I am not qualified to. I acted in good faith by warning a user who I felt had breached WP:NPA, I followed the instructions for warnings at WP:TT. I then acted in good faith by asking for admins' opinions about my use of a template, following that user's deletion of the warning, and his comment in the edit summary. I shan't be using ANI anymore, in part at least because of the tone of your comments to me there. DuncanHill 14:18, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

You're saying, basically, that I have been uncivil to you and as a result you won't participate on AN/I anymore. Let me tackle these in order.

Firstly, I don't believe that I behaved uncivilly. Frederick Day pointed out how troublesome Husnock and his league of sockpuppets had been, calling him "a crank". I suppose that we could discuss how insulting the term "crank" is, but regardless of that, the term is accurate. Husnock had an injunction passed against him by the arbcom and was the subject of a long discussion on the now-deprecated Community Sanction noticeboard. He escaped a community ban only by "retiring" and spawning a series of sock-puppets. If you feel that I was implying that you were "unqualified", then you're quite right; it was clear from your comments that you were not familiar with the Husnock affair, because it's transparently obvious to everyone else commenting in that AN/I thread that OberRank is another Husnock sock. Your lack of familiarity with the subject matter shouldn't preclude you from participating in the discussion, provided that you keep in mind that you're ignorant of the background materials.

Secondly, my main objection was to your using a "Welcome" template warning to communicate with an established editor. This is just rude. Would you talk to a long-time employee at your firm and preface a statement with "Look, I know you're new here.."? Would you condescend to give a lecture on school policy to a graduating senior? That's essentially what you did. You can tell me all about what WP:TT told you to do, but WP:TT and Wikipedia policies in general do not exist to trump common sense.

And that's basically what this is all about: common sense, not the letter of Wikipedia policy. I'm sorry if you feel I've treated you badly, but in reality, all I've done is disagree with your actions and tell you exactly why. You've been here for over a year; if this disagreement offends you so greatly that you don't care to participate at AN/I anymore, then I am surprised. A Train^talk 15:42, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

I had never before seen it suggested by anyone anywhere that the TT templates should not be used in warning experienced editors. If i was guilty of the mindless policy wonkery of which you accused me, then perhaps I would have come accross an obscure essay suggesting they are not used - but as I had only read the instructions at WP:TT then I hadn't. Rest assured, it is not solely your incivility that has driven me away from ANI, there are plenty of other admins at least as rude as you. DuncanHill 15:47, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Forgive me if I'm repeating myself, but I was not referring to any essay about templates. I was (and still am saying) that consulting a Wikipedia policy page for guidance on how to interact with another human being in so simple a situation is mindless policy wonkery. It's as if I'm at a party, carrying a manual in my back pocket that that I consult before I speak to someone, and the manual instructs me to hand them a printed index card with pleasantries written on it. A Train^talk 16:01, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Sod it, I came here to try to explain how I felt and why I acted as I did. It all seems rather pointless, there's no point complaining about your incivility, no point complaining about Fredrick day's incivility, and certainly no point expecting an admin to try being helpful. I'll just try to keep away from anywhere I might come across you in future. DuncanHill 16:16, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you want from me, Duncan, I'm also trying to explain myself. I'm not trying to hurt your feelings and you certainly haven't hurt mine. I think that you did something unhelpful and I tried to tell you why. I think you're over-reacting. A Train^talk 16:26, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Forget about it. I shouldn't have started this thread, I had no confidence in WP's admins before I started it, and should have stuck to my decision to stear clear of the whole issue. I'll not insult any experienced editors by pointing out their incivility or personal attacks in future. If I use a template to do it, I get bitten, and if I try discussing it on their talk page I get bitten, so it would only stress me out and do nothing to improve Wikipedia, though it might give a nice opportunity for admins to make snidey remarks at ANI. Good bye, I'll not return to this page. DuncanHill 16:41, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

And what exactly does my being an administrator have to do with anything? Good luck to you, Duncan. A Train^talk 02:15, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Please Block

Could you please block or at least suspend the open proxy for eductaional services IP: 205.127.36.5 ?

Please answer

Doctorrob1234 13:57, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi Doctor Rob, I'm working quite a bit these days and most likely won't have a chance to respond to this; if this is an on-going vandalism problem please post this at WP:VIP and another administrator will help you. A Train^talk 18:51, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

That thread.......

........... I think you handled it well personally, someone made a comment and you gave your opinion, in a very fair manor I might add. I'm not sure why Duncan reacted so badly, I was a little shocked when I saw it coming up on my watchlist. I think it's a case of letting him calm down in his own time and I'm sure he will see things a lot clearer. Anyway, how are things? Ryan Postlethwaite 14:27, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Okay, glad it wasn't just me. Sometimes you feel like you need your head checked, right? Things are great here. Work's keeping me busy but I love it. Did you graduate with your BS this summer? A Train^talk 18:52, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Yup, got My BSc this summer, now I'm studying for a masters in Biomedical and Forensic Science - hopefully I can move on to do a PhD in the pathology of cancer next year. I'll have to calm down on this wiki-stuff, it certainly doesn't help your study! Ryan Postlethwaite 16:25, 19 October 2007 (UTC)