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A tag has been placed on Marlfield House requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about an organization or company, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please read more about what is generally accepted as notable.
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Marlfield House
[edit]Hello Excirial!
Thank you for taking time to review my edits of an article about Marlfield House. It appears that you have removed it due to "copyright violation"; however I was unable to establish such. Kindly advise of such violation and I will gladly resolve it but please do not not remove other content :) Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 7eventy7 (talk • contribs) 22:01, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
- Hiyas 7eventy7
- The edit i removed seemed to be a direct copy of multiple pages on the www.marlfieldhouse.com website (For example: this page). Since that website is marked as "© 2014 Marlfield House Hotel and Restaurant" copying content directly constitutes a copyright violation and as of such the content can not be used for legal reasons.
- Even ignoring the copyright violation for a second a direct copy and paste of a commercial website such as the one linked causes other problems related to the content as well. For one, the added content is highly promotional instead of being neutral, encyclopedic content that Wikipedia should contain. Excirial (Contact me,Contribs) 22:07, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
Nomination of Marlfield House for deletion
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A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Marlfield House is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marlfield House until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. TheLongTone (talk) 17:02, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
- Hello TheLongTone!
- Thank you for taking time to review this; however with all due respect I disagree with your opinion as this article is notable. Marlfield House is a protected (listed) historic building, further sources have been added confirming the fact (such as link to National Inventory of Architectural Heritage in Ireland). 7eventy7 (talk 18:15, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
Read my comment on the afd page again. This as it stands is a promotional article about a hotel that mentions the fact that it is a listed building. I can't really be bothered to rewrite the article myself, so will content myself with cutting the kind of guff that PR hacks think is English from the article.TheLongTone (talk) 23:45, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
TheLongTone, can you provide details of where exactly in that article do you reference your most recent edit of Marlfield House? 7eventy7 (talk 11:30, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
- It's in the entry on the Narional register of buildings. As referenced.TheLongTone (talk) 11:43, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
- Could you provide details, where exactly in that article it is mentioned? 7eventy7 (talk 11:44, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
Read it for youself. Its not a long document. The conservatory is described as an insensitive pastiche. I have obviously changed wording to avoid copyvio, but have not changed the sense of what is written. It looks horrible.TheLongTone (talk) 12:00, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
- TheLongTone please stop this, I will revert your edit once again and I would like to request to refrain from adding your personal opinion or incorrect facts to this page. The reference to the National Register of Buildings does not contain anything what you are referring to. There is no mention of the conservatory and 'overbearing "pastiche"' is referred to the front of the house (while the conservatory is at the back). Furthermore, the interpretation of 'overbearing "pastiche"' can be rather wide and in this case it probably means "dominant artistic work", please refer to the English dictionary for this. It appears to me that you have personal interest in adding negative or incorrect facts to Marlfield House page, rather than helping with this, and I would like to kindly request to refrain from doing this.7eventy7 (talk 10:48, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
- I am acting to preserve the integrity of Wikipedia: in my opinion you are acting with the intention of promoting this little hotel. The language of the original article was pur PR gush, nobody real writes like that.TheLongTone (talk) 15:29, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
- And incidentally you are wrong about the position of the consevatory, it's clearly in front.TheLongTone (talk) 15:50, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
- For the second and last time I'm asking you to refrain from adding your personal negative opinion and incorrect facts. The conservatory is at the back of house as I have previously stated and please do not remove my edit again. Should you wish to verify the position of the conservatory please visit the building to inspect this. And by the way, there is no mention of the conservatory on the website you are referencing your negative comment to. If you are really acting to preserve the integrity of Wikipedia, please stop adding your personal opinion and incorrect facts 7eventy7 (talk 16:41, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
- "Although much modified in the later twentieth century to accommodate an alternative use, those works involving the introduction of an overbearing "pastiche" frontispiece," Seems like an unequivocal reference to the conservatory to me. The site being the official site of the Irish National Inventory for Architectural Heritage (the only proper architectural reference in the article, the rest being hotel guide flimflam) I really think you ought to accept this as an authoritative critique rather than my opinion.TheLongTone (talk) 17:08, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
- Please verify with Irish National Inventory for Architectural Heritage if any doubt 7eventy7 (talk 17:18, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
- Its there in black and white in the reference. Since the picture used includes the addition it is important to make the point that it is not part of the original fabric.TheLongTone (talk) 17:33, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
- Why do you keep fighting this, I know for a fact that the reference is about the front of the building (not the rear, where the conservatory is located), and there is nothing written in the referenced article about the conservatory, which you personally dislike so much. I am truly amazed and have difficulty understanding why are you relentlessly attempting to paint a negative picture of this historic property. You first unsuccessfully attempted to get the page deleted on two occasions, followed by your non-ending attempts to add negative comments to the page by rephrasing other sources in a way that the property appears negatively described. It seems that instead helping with this article, you are solely focused to find and add negative details about it. This is further followed by your multiple comments about this property such as "horrible" or "tasteless", which should really remain private if you are of such opinion. 7eventy7 (talk 17:47, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
- I distrust the motives of single-purpose accounts. What I have put in the article is properly referenced, it is not purely my opinion.TheLongTone (talk) 18:01, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
- And edits like this show why.TheLongTone (talk) 20:21, 17 February 2014 (UTC)