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Wikipedia:Userbox should help you. It takes quite a bit of experimentation, I should warn you! Jezhotwells (talk) 22:43, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

{{helpme}}

Hi I am trying to change the background of my profile page. How do I do this? --5 albert square (talk) 22:32, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

You cannot change the background of the whole page, but you can create boxes like this one with a different background color. See Wikipedia:Colours. 龗 (talk) 22:41, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

{{helpme}}

Hi

I am trying to change the background colour of my page and don't understand how to. I went to Wikipedia:Colours but can't understand that page. I'm really just looking for somewhere I can go to get a pre-made colour so I can just copy the code over? --5 albert square (talk) 23:25, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Use the code below, and change the colour from f5fffa to anything you like - see the list here;

{|
| bgcolor="#f5fffa" | Text goes here.
|}

That will look like this;

Text goes here.

龗 (talk) 23:33, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Abusive language

Hi, you should take issues like this to Wikipedia:Wikiquette alerts. OK. Jezhotwells (talk) 00:45, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Hello!

Well, if you run into someone like that with a real agenda, feel free to either report it directly to an administrator or better still, post a notice at the vandalism-in-progress page. That's how I found it. Guy had a serious axe to grind; between the the snarky edit summaries and the questionable edits, I figured a timeout was warranted. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 01:51, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Vaudeville and 207.165.149.21

Hi 5 Albert Square! Thank you for warning 207.165.149.21 about his/her vandalism to Vaudeville. But, s/he was already at a Level 2 warning. So, your warning, which I think was applied by Twinkle, should have been a Level 3 warning such as {{Uw-vandalism3}}. Would you please consider deleting and replacing your Level 2 warning with the more appropriate Level 3 warning? Thanks! — SpikeToronto (talk) 19:12, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi there

Yeah sorry about that, I reverted the edit (I think) it was using Twinkle but someone added a warning template at the same time as I did. I have replaced it now though and also added a final warning template as the user has vandalised since then. --5 albert square (talk) 19:35, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Very good! When the IP-only editor hits Level 4im, it’s time to file a report on him/her at WP:AIV. The blocking admins are pretty good about giving such editors much-needed time-outs. I notice that Twinkle (TW) sometimes does odd things like giving a Level 1 warning after another recent changes patroller has given a Level 3, which was exactly what gave rise to my contacting you earlier. I also notice that TW and Huggle (HG), which I use, are not very compatible. Sometimes, just as I am about to revert with HG, HG will tell me that it as already been done, but not show me the new version. Then, when I investigate manually, it’s usually because the other editor reverted with TW. Thanks again! Happy hunting on the recent changes trail! — SpikeToronto (talk) 21:23, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Stacey Slater

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Stacey Slater. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform several reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. When in dispute with another editor you should first try to discuss controversial changes to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. Should that prove unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. Please stop the disruption, otherwise you may be blocked from editing. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 21:29, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi, I just want to say that even though I agreed with your reverts, I still felt the need to give a warning because I wouldn't want you to get blocked, so I wanted to make you aware of the three revert rule. Obviously it also applies to myself. If it comes down to it, I will have to fully protect the page so that only administrators can edit it, but I really don't want to do that. Keep up the good work, anyway, and thanks for staying cool. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 21:40, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I was wrong to warn you about edit warring, as you actually only reverted once. So please ignore the warning, in fact I'm going to strike it! You did the right thing. It just seemed that the page was getting lots of reverts and I knew you were involved and in my haste I neglected to double check, and thought it best to warn everyone involved (obviously I can't warn myself!) So I'm very sorry about that, I humbly apologise. I won't protect the page at the moment, as he seems to have stopped edit warring and has joined the discussion. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 21:54, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Ah that's cool, everyone makes mistakes Anemone, including admins! I'll need to look up the 3 revert rule though as I'm not 100% sure on how that works. I added the page to my watchlist tonight as I thought with it being seen on screen that Stacey was being told about the divorce that people might try to change it. That's why I asked on the talk page first, thought it only polite and had half-hoped that people would check the talk page before editing. In the meantime I will come and help you out in the discussion :) --5 albert square (talk) 21:58, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

David Vitter

Thanks for your politically motivated revert of my fully cited edit to Vitter's page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.238.216.241 (talk) 18:25, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi! It was reverted because I could not find anything in the reference provided that specifically states that companies are paying off rape victims to keep them quiet which is what you stated was happening in his article. As an encyclopedia, Wikipedia must keep as up-to-date and as accurate as possible. Because I could not see any evidence in the link stating that this was definitely happening, it was reverted. I can assure you it was nothing to do with political views. As you can probably see from my userpage I am in the United Kingdom not America. I hadn't even heard of this person until today! --5 albert square (talk) 18:49, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Tracy Flick's recent GA pass

Hello, 5 albert square, it seems I've been reverting you at the aforementioned article... ;) As I explained in my edit summaries, the Category:Wikipedia good articles is added to the talk page automatically when the reviewer updates the GA template to reflect a successful promotion. As you can see on the current version of the talk page, the article is currently listed in WP GAs along with other categories which stem from pertinent WikiProjects. The only thing you, as a reviewer, need to do when promoting an article to GA-status is what is listed at the WP:GAN page. If you have any questions about the process, let me know. Hope this helps, María (habla conmigo) 00:18, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi there, sorry it's my first time reviewing an article. When I passed Tracy Flick I honestly didn't see the GA category added anywhere. I will now know for future, thank you :) --5 albert square (talk) 00:34, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome, and no worries. We've all been there at some point. ;) As for The Bill, I'm afraid a reassessment isn't what you're looking for. According to WP:GAR, reassessment "is a process to determine whether articles that are listed as good articles still merit their good article status, whether former good articles have been improperly delisted, or whether good article nominations have been inappropriately failed." In the case of The Bill, the article was properly delisted four years ago! That ship has come and gone. If you think the article fills the criteria now, you should nominate it at WP:GAC to be reconsidered for Good Article-status. As you know, articles have the potential to radically change over time, so it should really begin the process anew. So, I suggest removing the GAR template from the talkpage and nominating the article for WP:GAC if you think it fulfills the GA criteria. That way a reviewer will likely sign up to review it in a month or two.

Were you to nominate a deserving article for individual reassessment, however, it looks like you've followed the correct protocol. Because it's not a community reassessment (i.e. to be listed at WP:GAR), nobody will know that you've asked for input unless you've alerted them or if they're currently watching the talk page. Rarely do people show up randomly with comments and suggestions galore, so it's best to pin down the main contributors of the article to see if they are interested in improving the article. This also helps when you're nominating an article to GAC that you may not have had a huge hand in writing. Hope this helps, María (habla conmigo) 12:27, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

conglomerate ≠ company

A conglomerate is a big company that has accumulated lots and lots of other companies which make lots of different products or services.

General Electric is a conglomerate, becauase they make everything from the lowly light bulb to Jet engines, plus they own TV broadcast networks.

Walmart is big, and sells lots of different products, but they only have one business model. Discount retailer. So, they are not a conglomerate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.50.217.99 (talk) 18:58, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry but you've lost me. I haven't asked anyone what a conglomerate company is? Maybe you're getting me confused with someone else?  :) --5 albert square (talk) 19:09, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

The Bill

Hi there. I've just undertaken a GA Review of The Bill. I know these things normally sit in the list for ages, but i also sometimes check new nominees, in case they look like they are almost certain to fail. In such cases, it seems a shame to make the nominator wait two months (the typical waiting time at the moment) only to be told the article isn't going to get through. I undertook the review on The Bill because I think it is in this category. It needs a large amount of work before it would meet the GA criteria. I've outlined my main issues on the review page, and you can leave a message there, or at my talk page, with any queries. i will keep it on hold for a week or so, in case you and other very committed editors manage to get some significant revisions underway. Regards, hamiltonstone (talk) 05:08, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

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HJMitchell You rang? 20:13, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

I seem to be hosting an editorial discussion on these damn references since it makes sense to keep it in one place. The outcome might be of interest. Regards, HJMitchell You rang? 00:46, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

FYI

Hi, I've been trying to whip up some interest in the plight of The Bill as well as various other related articles. I stumbled across WP:WikiProject The Bill which seems to have been inactive for a while but I've contacted every (a dozen or so) member of the project to try to engage them in a wider discussion about The Bill. My hope is that one of them will be able to assist us in getting the article itself to GA and hopefully help improve some other articles such as my current effort Dale Smith (The Bill). I've also got in touch with on-wiki contacts with more GA experience than myself about the references. Anyhow, I'll watch the project talk page and hopefully there'll be some interest. If you need anything, or just want to talk about The Bill or WP in general, feel free to drop me a line on my talk page (though a new thread might be an idea, since the current one's getting a little long!). Kind regards, HJMitchell You rang? 18:02, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi, thanks again for all your help. Yes, I plan to take a look at Dale Smith as well once I've finished The Bill. Though this time I will work the article up to GA standard and then nominate it, not the other way around! --5 albert square (talk) 21:12, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi there. Just letting you know that i am keeping one eye on The Bill, but am a bit tied up in real life right at the moment. Will try and get to the referencing issue at some point, and then will look at other things. Thanks for your hard work on the article. Regards, hamiltonstone (talk) 00:29, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi Hamiltonstone, not to worry, I think I've managed to work out a solution for the references, it was something I needed to enable in my preferences. I tested it out tonight, and after a few mistakes, it seems to have actually worked! I've manually gone through every single reference on the page tonight and all of them now have retrieval dates and most of them also have author names etc. I think all I really need to do now is to proof read the article and ensure that there is nothing being repeated, nothing against NPOV etc and that should be it. It's currently undergoing a major copy edit by Copy Editors so I can't really do anything else tonight, but I will focus on that tomorrow. Not bad work for one week! --5 albert square (talk) 02:42, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

I apologise if the orange bar disturbed you in your editing. I noticed the "inuse" temp. If you're tweaking it, I'll wait my turn and fiddle with Smithy in the meantime. I think I've cracked the referencing so I'll sort that later on. I agree with your idea on nominating it once you've actually got it to the standard! Frankly, it looks like a very elaborate essay on his life and times with very little encyclopaedic analysis. I may have to leave a portion of that to you, but I'll copyedit it to within an inch of its life for you so you have something to work with. I don't know if you've looked at WP:RGA but, if not, it may give you more guidance with The Bill. As ever, anything I can help with, just yell. HJMitchell You rang? 02:06, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi again HJMitchell, thanks for all your help in this. I've finished with The Bill now, just one of the refs wasn't displaying properly. I gave up in the end used another ref! Actually funny you should message me about Dale "Smithy" Smith just now lol as I'm actually watching The Bill just now, and he's on my screen! --5 albert square (talk) 02:46, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Well, you're most welcome. I was bored so I thought I'd lend my wiki-expertise to a good cause. There are still a few bits of grammar I'm not happy with but 3AM is not the time to be fiddling about with those. I'll probably do it late tonight (tuesday) since it gets quite high traffic in the day and I don't like leaving "inuse" tags up where I don't need them. I've fiddled with two of the refs (13 and 38). I put an accessdate on #38 and an ISBN on #13. I would advise you to add a page number from the book (I've specified it as 1-64 as explained in my last edit summary). I'm sure we'll bump into each other on Smithy's page over the next few days and if you see a GOCEinuse tag on a The Bill related article, it's probably me! Until tomorrow (or, later today!), HJMitchell You rang? 03:12, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I agree. I've noticed that ref 38 isn't displaying correctly for some reason, but I'm off to bed now so will look into this further tomorrow. I did try to get a page number but for some reason can't seem to find this --5 albert square (talk) 03:19, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Bollocks. That's what you get when you let me near anything fiddly. I'll have a look- if I can fix it quickly, I'll do it now. HJMitchell You rang? 03:39, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Sorted. All fixed so you have a nice shiny copyedited, properly referenced article to fiddle with at a more sociable hour! This has certainly been interesting so far. Hopefully, this massive collaborative effort will be enough to get it to GA status yet! HJMitchell You rang? 03:49, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Hey. I notice you red Silk's comments on the review page. I was pointed to those myself. If I had a list of "most respected editors", he'd be on it and his advice is well worth taking heed of. May I suggest you take a good read of three of the most boring webpages you'll ever lay eyes on- The detailed criteria the reviewer uses Wikipedia's Manual of Style and WP:LEAD (yes, there is a whole page devoted to the lead section!). WP:V and WP:RS are also worth a look. I could think of more acronyms but those are the most important as concerns The Bill. By the way, the book that's referenced in the article- you wouldn't happen to have a copy of it, would you? I'm thinking that would be a very useful source. If you don't have access to it, I might see about taking up library membership, but one of us should leaf through it, it could be a good source. I can't sleep so I'll probably be fiddling with the article in the unsociable hours. We'll speak at a more sensible hour, I'm sure. HJMitchell You rang? 03:51, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi, can't sleep either tonight lol. Yeah I read his comments but to be honest I didn't understand the majority of them if I'm honest. I looked at the links given and that just confused me even more! They're so in-depth I found it quite hard to follow them. Unfortunately I no longer have any of The Bill's books, might look on ebay at some point see if I can get some second hand --5 albert square (talk) 04:06, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

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OK. I've not done as much as I'd like to the article itself today, mainly because I felt ill earlier and I drank too much whisky after that, but I've managed to follow the threads here, on my own talk page, on Hamiltonstone's and at the GA. Leave the lead to me, I have a few ideas- I've copyedited similar articles in the past, though my GA experience is limited. I now know why I prefer the other end of the spectrum- The Twinkling and new page patrolling etc. Anyway, The Bill is now my second most frequently edited article- after my proudest creation to date, so I'm going to see this through to its conclusion, so if you're not sure or you need to talk, just yell.

As for Silk's comments, the lead aside (I'll deal with that), his main points appear to be:

• lack of content:

We need more prose. Information on ratings, quirky facts like viewing outside the UK, ratings figures- most viewed episode (if possible), record viewer number, record season. More info on the relationship with the met, especially the meeting with Sir Ian Blair would be brilliant. Parodies, if there are any (I haven't watched it in years), with real events. Try looking around at other TV series- JAG, Casualty, Highlander (the series) for example, although none are GAs, you might be able to draw inspiration.

• lack of credible references:

We've cracked the referencing templates now. However, we need more references. I've left "fact" tags in a few places that are in obvious need of a reference. Every fact, assertion, quote or anything else that is not common knowledge needs a reference. For example, "The Bill is a British police procedural TV series" is common knowledge- most people who know enough to type "the bill" into a search box will know that. However, for example, "The Bill is the only British TV show allowed to use real police uniforms" (paraphrasing!) needs a reference (I think it does, but you get my drift.). We need more reliable sources than we have at present. I hate to bound the wiki-policy acronyms around again, but it's worth a read. If something backs up your point, reference it- RS or not. Consensus appears to be that IMDb (much as I disagree), blogs, youtube etc are NOT RSs. They can be used to support something like the title sequence/ theme music, as youtube is in the article, but things like reputable newpapers (if you cite the Daily Maill, I'll scream! See my angry edit summary on Her Majesty's article!). The Times, The Telegraph, The Guardian and all their supplements are very good sources. I'm going to search google news later on to see if I can find anything new. Books are also good sources, but be careful that they're not "unduly self serving" (I forget which policy acronym that came from, there are so many!). If they're completely independent of ITV or Talkback Thames, then they're very good sources.

Does that make things any clearer? Feeling a little less daunted by it all? Please say yes, this took me ages! HJMitchell You rang? 05:16, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

BTW, I trawled the list of GAs. I struggled to find a direct comparison to The Bill, but Judge John Deed is a GA. Might be worth a look as a broad template. HJMitchell You rang? 05:40, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

update

take a gander at User:HJ Mitchell/Material for The Bill. It's a pile of references (properly formatted so they can be simply copied and pasted) with my comments. I've got more, which I'll put on in a few hours but there's a good bit of material there at present. You can fiddle with it to your heart's content- add, format, whatever floats your boat. Once we've finished with it, I'll have the page speedied. Regards, HJMitchell You rang? 08:07, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

The Bill II

Hi there

I'm having to message you because I really don't understand the comments that you made about The Bill.

In what way should the lead section be expanded? It says in the link you provided to include controversies. I did once include a section about it being axed in Scotland in this part but I got told to remove it as it wasn't allowed in the lead section? So I removed it and it's now down at the bottom of the article, reduced to two sentences as requested for it to be a good article.

What's a prose? I did look at the link you provided but it didn't make any sense. Is it that there are too many tables in the article? We could take out the cast tables etc but the article would probably be as clear as mud without them. They would then be reading something like Supt Jack Meadows, Simon Rouse, Insp Dale Smith, Alex Walkinshaw, DI Neil Manson, Andrew Lancel. Not clear in my opinion.

You also say that there's very few citations, which I don't understand because the article has over 40 references? That's about the biggest amount I've seen in any article on Wikipedia. So I don't understand why you're saying it's got too few citations? Also I got told to try and avoid fansites as references (which is what I've done) as they're not reliable references but everything else is, yet you're saying the article has very few reliable sources? I don't understand that at all.

Finally, can you please help me with this article then? When it was first reviewed it apparently didn't meet the criteria for quick fail, now it does so it seems I've done the article more harm than good which wasn't my intention obviously. But with the comments left today I don't understand where I'm going wrong --5 albert square (talk) 00:15, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for getting in touch. I'm afraid I already have more than enough on my plate at the moment, so I would be unable to help out. I did leave links to the relevant guidelines, which are quite clear and helpful - they just need careful study. I noted that there were large parts of the article uncited (such as the first three paragraphs of the history section and almost all of the cast section). I also noted that a significant proportion of the cites are to primary source via YouTube. As regards amount of cites. I am currently reviewing for Good Article status, Cyprus, Hong Kong and Pink Floyd. And articles I have worked on recently myself which were accepted for Good Article status - Van Morrison, Kraków. As you'll note, the cites in these articles range from over 100 to over 300. At the moment your material is derived from snippets on the web. I do recommend you contact your local library and order some books on the subject - that way you'll be able to flesh out the snippets with some more substantial content. A quick glance at Google Books does reveal there is some decent material available. Give me a ping in about a month or so, and I'll take a look at the article again then. Regards SilkTork *^YES! 08:31, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi thanks for your help though. I will take a look at Google books later on --5 albert square (talk) 20:55, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Hello! Hope all is well, I'm just dropping by to deliver a quick newsflash!

• I now have a whole pile of links with my comments that should help is flesh the article out a little. They're all properly formatted so it's just a quick cut and paste job when they go into the article.
• I've ordered a book The Official history of Sun Hill or something like that from amazon for a fiver- bargain! That should also help add more flesh to the article
• We now have a good sized lead. I completely re-wrote it. Took me til 2AM, but hey, I'm a student- I have the time to spare!
• I'm going to make a start on getting the info I've gathered into the article, but it's gone 4AM so it'll be later on.
• We should deal with the contents table later on, I propose we keep adding in sections and subsections and consolidate them later on unless you object?
• Regarding the number of cites, Judge John Deed is the closest comparable GA I've found and that has a mere 38. Meaning no disrespect to Silk, I think it's quality not quantity. However, almost all of Deed's references are very good sources such as broadsheet newspapers. We have our fair share of those, though and hopefully the tabloid and youtube cites will just be "extra". All the best, HJMitchell You rang? 04:19, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi, thanks again for all your help with this HJ. I was going to do some work on this last night but I was way too tired lol. One thing though, if we're going to re-insert the information about Jeff Stewart's attempted suicide, then we could also re-insert the information that was there on the death of Kevin Lloyd. He was a chronic alcoholic, got sacked from the programme because he was apparently disruptive on set and held up filming etc etc. A week after being sacked from the programme he checked himself into a clinic and was given sedatives before he went on another drinking binge. This time though he choked on his own vomit, failed to wake because of the sedatives and drink and died. I removed it before because I felt it possibly wasn't NPOV as the way I was reading it, it sounded like whoever inserted it was trying to blame the programme for his death, when it was actually nothing to do with them. I also felt it more belonged on the actors page than The Bill's page, still if it was re-worded then it might be ok. I will try and put together something for this later tonight. As for the sections and sub-sections, yes I agree to that. I'm also gonna look on Amazon or eBay for any books for the programme.

With regards to rewards, I plan to put together some form of table which clearly explains what they've won, what they've been nominated for etc. So far I can only find that they've been nominated for Best Serial Drama or something 4 times in a row, but I'll try and find out if the actors were nominated for anything. I'm aware that we got told to make the article less list-like, but I honestly feel that this would be the best way to represent this information --5 albert square (talk) 05:56, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Just a quick update before I head off to work, I accidentally came across a link on the Danielle Jones' page which has led me to a TV ratings page on BARB! We might find this useful for getting viewing rating info for The Bill [1] --5 albert square (talk) 07:08, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

It's fine. I'm quite enjoying it- I've learned how to format references, installed another tool and learned a hell of a lot about The Bill! When that book gets here, I'll leaf through it and add and reference what I can. As for the stuff on Jeff Stewart, I was planning no more than a single, very neutral sentence with at least one reference. Anything else that's relevant can go in his own article when we get round to it. We've still got a good bit to do on The Bill, but if we focus our efforts on Jeff Stewart Reg Holiss, we can add that sort of thing in there. It is more relevant there, but worthy of a mention in the main article. I haven't heard of the Kevin Lloyd thing. If you have a source for it, it would be worthy of one sentence. The best source would be a broadsheet paper- The Times, Telegraph, Independent, Guardian, their supplements and websites. I'm loathed to be citing the Mail and the Mirror.

Right, the awards. If there's enough to merit a table, go for it, we'll deal with it later. There's some useful information on those at User:HJ Mitchell/Material for The Bill which I've mentioned in the lead. However I'd strongly reccomend we put in some prose like "Over its umpteen years on telly, The Bill has won...". OR you could put the table in History of The Bill and use the {{main|History of The Bill}} template, with a bit of text on the most notable awards. Do whichever you feel is best and we can change it later if it doesn't work as well as we thought. Deed has one small subsection of text, but The Bill has won a LOT more awards (mainly because Deed sends even me to sleep and I'm a Law student!). It's worth a look, since it's already a GA. Have a look at JAG#Awards and nominations, too, they have another way of doing it.

I'll take a look at that link and add it to my subpage if you haven't already put it in the article. I'm a little tied up right now so I can't do much until later tonight. If you'd be good enough to drop me a line to update me on any significant changes you make and I'll do the same when I finish probably in the early hours. I've asked Silk Tork to take a look at the new lead and my thread on Talk:The Bill and I'll probably request advice from Hamiltonstone to make sure there are no major issues arising.

As ever, drop me a lie if you need anything. I might not be able to get into editing until later, but I'll do what I can. Until later, HJMitchell You rang? 18:25, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi again, the most I've been able to do tonight is to add an award table. I didn't realise The Bill had been nominated for so many! Am sorry I've not been able to do more tonight, will probably get the chance to do more over the weekend. It's just with a tempremental computer the award table took waaaayyyy longer than I thought --5 albert square (talk) 01:24, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

No need to apologise- don't feel you have to do more than you want to. I didn't edit WP for about 2 months until recently because I was on here so much and I got too involved with a massive fuss over bilateral relations articles and minor league baseballers. Besides, it was nice to have the article to myself when I rewrote the lead. The last thing we need is an edit conflict! Major waste of time! Anyway, there are a few bits and bobs I have in my sights- I want to shorten the list of ex-characters to only the very most notable. I've already removed one bloke because he was a minor character for 4 measly months. The other decisions, I might have to leave to you, since you're the expert and I'm just a humble copyeditor. Anyhow, drop us a line when you've got some time. I've got plenty of tasks I can think of that don't require any subject knowledge and a whole pile of references to add in. HJMitchell You rang? 02:01, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Awards

I've a feeling you're not going to like this but please don't shout at me! I have been nice to you! haha. I am suggesting that we move your table (good effort by the way, I hate those things!) into History of The Bill and I promise I'll copyedit that article beyond recognition to do your table justice (it's what I'm good at!) once we've sorted The Bill (or when I get bored instead of twinkling the recent changes). Ideally, I think we need a prose list of the most notable awards- BAFTA, WG, Inside soap (about as notable as my rear end, but it's won 6 of 'em). If you really strongly object, I'll leave it be.

I've spent most of the night going through the article and adding in the references and information I accumulated in my research. I'll probably be hogging it for another few hours (unless you want it) to try and break the back of the referencing, then I'll go back and clean up the mess I made. Speaking of which, I've been putting my cite notes before the full stops since there seems to be no clear system and that happens to be my preference. WP:FOOT (another thrilling read!) allows both, but it needs to be consistent so when I tidy it up, I'll put them all like that unless you object.

I'll keep you informed as I go along. Btw, next time you're on here at an "ungodly" hour, feel free to say hi. chances are, I'll be around somewhere! And don't worry about the out of date warning, I "welcomed" someone the other day. Turned out they'd been on here for 2 years! HJMitchell You rang? 07:59, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi there, thanks for that, yeah that's fine to remove the table and put it elsewhere. I wasn't sure where to put it so just stuck it into the main article in a place I thought was reasonable to keep everything together. I'll try nip to my local library at the weekend see if I can pick up any books on The Bill --5 albert square (talk) 12:43, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

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Another one! There are also some comments on the review page. HJMitchell You rang? 20:06, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

And another. Btw, I've also got a book in the post so we can attack these references when we get them! HJMitchell You rang? 11:05, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Haha! Yeah eBay and Amazon be laughing all the way to the bank, literally lol! Btw I reported that anon IP that seems to have some sort of vendetta against anything to do with The Bill, but apparently my report was too old. So I've to report them again if the vandalism resumes. Which I will do without hesitation. I watch most of the pages he edits, so I will notice any vandalism, he won't get away with it! --5 albert square (talk) 11:19, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, you have to get in there straight away with the reports. If you have Twinkle, just whack the vandalism button to revert it, then open up his talk page and whack the "arv" button and fill out your rationale- something along the lines of "this little **** has been f****ing up our hard work and obviously has a SERIOUS problem with The Bill". I'll keep an eye on him as well. I'll be on and off most of the day so if he gets up to any mischief, one of us'll have him! We'll probably get an edit conflict at AIV! HJMitchell You rang? 11:43, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Oh yeah, I do have Twinkle, I just wasn't sure that was the best way to go as he'd only been given 3 warnings instead of 4. Never mind, I am on a day off today so I will also be on and off Wikipedia all day and will be patrolling Neighbours all day as someone who vandalised that page has just come off a block, so I will do the same for The Bill. Beats me why people feel the need to vandalise pages. I guess I'll never understand vandals! By the way, once The Bill is up to GA standard, I might see if I can 'resurrect' it's Wiki Project. Seems a shame if nobody bothers about it now as it could be so helpful --5 albert square (talk) 12:12, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

I don't know, I can see how someone might find it funny once. But this guy obviously doesn't like The Bill and wants the whole world to know about it. You keep on the vandal patrol if you want and I'll hog The Bill for a little while- I'm working on the impact bit atm. It'll take me an hour or so to do what I'm doing, then I'll have to do some research. I'm in dire need of more references for the awards- the table is a good start but it needs more- eg. the WG- what was it for?? We need better sources on things like the BAFTAs etc. Anything you can dig up would be REALLY appreciated! HJMitchell You rang? 12:54, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi HG, I've added some more references to the awards table for The Bill. I must admit though, I don't think I can find any references for the earlier awards simply because of the amount of time that has passed. Can't seem to find anything earlier than 2003. --5 albert square (talk) 19:06, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Nice work, the older ones don't matter too much. The successful BAFTAs, the WG and any other very significant, notable awards need references, mainly so we have the details. Btw, your idea about the wikiprject... the members could be very helpful in helping with our GA bid etc, but many of them seem to be inactive these days. It might be worth leaving messages on talk pages etc to see if you can rekindle some interest, but I've had little luck really. Anyway, I'll check back in an hour or two, when I've had a chance to look at The Bill etc. HJMitchell You rang? 14:27, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Btw, I noticed the recent edits and your reversions. I've restored a previous version of the page but I'm not sure if I got the right one. The edits don't seem to have been intended to be vandalism but I was wondering if you knew of a source better than youtube (useful, but not considered an RS) for the stuff about the theme tune that the other user edited? HJMitchell You rang? 16:47, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Oh yeah, I know they weren't intentional, I'm sure I reverted them as good faith, and that was the reason why, and it was also the reason I didn't warn the editor for their edits. Unfortunately though I was at work when that happened and had only sneaked on to Wikipedia for a quick nosey look! I could only google to a certain degree the changes the user had made because of our firewall at work being so good, from what I could see Graham Cole wasn't in the pilot, his own Wikipedia and another source seem to support that. As for the other names mentioned, am going to google them tonight, see if I can come up with anything. In any case I would've reverted anyway cos I preferred your wording to his! --5 albert square (talk) 21:17, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure you're right on Stamp. It was the information on the composers etc that raised an eyebrow but we'll need a source one way or t'other and, like I say, preferably not youtube. It's a strange case- I took a look at the user's contributions and he's been on here for a while but made very few edits, most of them little things to The Bill. Anyway, if you can find a reasonable source one way or t'other, put it in and makes sure the article is correct. I'm going to make a few changes now and hopefully continue in the morning. HJMitchell You rang? 01:36, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Actually it turns out I was wrong about Stamp! The actor who plays him, Graham Cole, gave an interview recently stating that he'd been in The Bill 25 years! So I've changed The Bill's page to read that and also included the interview I found as a reference should anyone dispute this. They can't dispute something coming straight from the actors mouth. I also got references for the composers etc mentioned albeit it is from IMDB. I've also been doing some editing tonight, expanded the ratings section, hope that helped :) --5 albert square (talk) 02:44, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Well, I believe I've expressed my opinions against the consensus that IMDb is not an RS but they are, alas, only my opinions. But IMDb is better than youtube and better than no ref at all! I noticed your edit. I've not done much because I got sidetracked with an RfA, then a vandal on the recent changes (4 bad faith edits in less than 20 minutes!) and thought "right, matey, your arse is going to AIV! I'm going to watch the outcome of the AIV out of curiosity, then go to bed, as I should have done nearly two hours ago. Damn wikipedia! Always something to do to procrastinate! even at 3AM! Btw, I don't wish to be rude, but could you just leave a message like "reply on my talk page", since there are a lot of bright blue bars across the bottom of my page! Cheers HJMitchell You rang? 02:53, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

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Im sorry I just editing that to experement that i can add on wekipedia thnx for ur advize babe muah —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.108.30.37 (talk) 02:27, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi :) I thought they might be test edits that Cluebot and I reverted. If you wish to experiment on Wikipedia, then please use Wikipedia:Sandbox. Thanks --5 albert square (talk) 02:34, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

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I just reported this IP to WP:AIV. This IP is a chronic IP vandal, and has been more recently turning to vulgar personal attacks on other editors. He had already received four graduated warnings regarding his vandalism and personal attacks in the last 30 days. LonelyBeacon (talk) 02:37, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I like how he told me that the vandalism I warned him for was carried out a while ago. All of about 2 days ago! In any case I came across it last night, reverted it last night, that's why he was warned then! Lol well at least he's blocked now --5 albert square (talk) 08:58, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

More The Bill

Hey! I was just in the process of updating you on my progress today (I got sidetracked!). Give me 2 minutes and I'll finish it off and we can talk! HJMitchell You rang? 23:01, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Right then, I've had some time today to get down to the nitty gritty of the article. It's looking pretty good, it must be said. We have 72 references, citing 77 different points and I've got more to come. Just a quick update:

• I've created a new section for the theme tune and opening titles
• List of awards of The Bill is up and running, with plenty of material and decent references in it which also makes the main article look much more tidy and concise
• I've renamed the broadcasting subsection to make it less UK-oriented. I don't like the wording of the heading, but I can deal with that later
• I like your expansion to the ratings section. I've fiddled around with it a little in order to make it more coherent and in something resembling chronological order. You cited a ref that I'd already used, but no matter, I've sorted it. I've consolidated it a little as well, some of the detail is better placed in other sections within the article, or at Sun Hill fire (2002) (yet another article in dire need of attention! This is getting to be a long list!)
• Impact and legacy is getting there. Ideally, we need to pad this out a bit- this could be where the books come in handy. The Guardian and The Independent occasionally have some useful stuff on this so I'll just have to trawl through their websites until the book gets here. Bloody Royal Mail! Much as I like them, they have a habit of shooting themselves in the foot!

The biggest bollards, in my humble opinion (I'm no expert on GA), to GA status are as follows:

1. The history section is in dire need of some references. It doesn't have a single cite note, let alone anything like an RS. I'll look out for anything good on this while trawling through newspaper sites and some of the material we have could be usefully recited
2. We need refs for the live episodes (just one or two). I saw something on the beeb site that I think I've cited for one of them
3. The cast section is doing my head in. I'm reluctant to just get rid of it but it's taking up far more room than it needs.
4. We need more refs for the overseas broadcasting. For example, the 55 countries- if it can be cited, it should be, if not, it should be obliterated. The Australian stuff shouldn't be hard to cite, as for the rest of it, I don't know
5. Awards section could do with a little expansion, but that's not a big task since we have the hatnote
6. Likewise for impact and legacy- a little more research would be good but I have a few ideas where I can find the material we need
7. The novels section is concerning me, but it's not a big issue- it just needs a cite note or two- something that simply states when they were published would be sufficient imo.

What do you think? HJMitchell You rang? 23:14, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi, yep am in agreement with all of that. With the cast tables could we get away with hosting that on another page, a bit like what we've done with the rewards section? Might make things a little tidier --5 albert square (talk) 23:35, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

I've considered it, believe me, I've considered it! The number of time I've been looking for somethiing and had to scroll through all of that! The trouble is that, a while back, before I signed up, there seem sto have been a bit of a controversy- someone has obviously made separate articles for every single character there ever was (I got involved in something similar a few months ago with minor league baseballers, then another with bilateral relations!). Anyway, they were all combined into no fewer than 5 different lists! I think we might get into a little trouble if we added a sixth to that! Leave it with me and I'll think of something. As for the rest of it, I'll take most of the research unless you're desperately keen to do it! I'll try and get some of the referencing done, too, but it'll probably take me a while so I'll do it later. Could you sort the awards section? You did the research so you know the sources etc. just a quick sentence or two on the WG, two or three on the BAFTAs, NTA and RTS etc just to pad it out. If you want, just whack the info in there with your refs and I'll make it look pretty later. HJMitchell You rang? 00:07, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, sure I don't mind putting that together. Could we even put the cast table as one? I don't see the problem in that as long as we make the ranking of each officer clear --5 albert square (talk) 00:27, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Brilliant. One less obstacle. As for the cast, it's a goood idea, but it's already been done. I'm toying with the idea of taking the whole of the current cast out of the article, possibly adding Jack Meadows and smithy to the list of notable characters and leaving it there or just taking it out altogether and leaving the links to the lists. I might take some further advice on this first. What do you think? HJMitchell You rang? 01:34, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi, I certainly wouldn't have any issues with the cast list being taken out. I would run that by hamiltstone first of all though. Also I came across some extra links today about George Galloway suing the makers of The Bill for defamation. They're from reputable newspapers (the Daily Record and I think the second was The Independent). Would you like me to add these to the article or have we got enough references for this already? --5 albert square (talk) 01:44, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

I'll take some advice from other people and see if I can get a hold of Hamiltonstone in the morning. Oh dear, I first read that in the Mirror and it made me laugh! I've got a ref from The Independent so it's probably not worth adding in any more unless, of course, they add something more. Tell you what, why don't you copy them onto my subpage so I can have a look? I want to know what came of it, but I haven't found anything. I might try scouring the specialist law databases. HJMitchell You rang? 02:24, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

OK, I've put the links on that page now. Given that the programmes being going 25 years now, I'm sure they've featured more than one bent politician in storylines, wonder what makes Mr Galloway so certain that they based this one on him! Mind you he does have quite a history of suing companies for defamation, well so it would seem going by what I found on Google. I did look to see if I could find out what happened in the end but can't find anything yet. Surely something like that wouldn't take this long to go through a legal process? Still, it did make me laugh reading the articles! --5 albert square (talk) 02:50, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Alright, I'll take a look! Indeed, there must be more than one corrupt politician who was a little too chummy with Sadaam! Maybe it's a publicity stunt to get him onto celebrity big brother again! I'm going to shut up now! He might sue me! He is notoriously litigious. A cynical man might speculate that he had something to hide! HJMitchell You rang? 03:35, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Cheers for those, they were quite handy- The Guardian's article is a great source- always nice to have something reputable to cite (as opposed to having to rely on the Daily bloody Mail!). I'll make a start on the referencing and stuff, but not at 4AM (the disadvantage of working with an editor in the same time zone!), particularly the history section, if we can crack that, then that's almost every challengeable fact referenced, leaving just that cast section and one or two other minor issues to sort out, tidy it up and take it back to the GAR and cross our fingers. And toes. And every other crossable part of our anatomies! I've made 111 revisions in less than a fortnight. Ah well, all in the name of knowledge! HJMitchell You rang? 04:03, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Hey, just to let you know, made some changes just now. OK, ok I know the thing doesn't finish for another 15 minutes or so, but I've removed Graham Cole from the cast list and have put together something about him in the notable cast list as he left tonight --5 albert square (talk) 21:53, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Damn! I intended to watch that but I got sidetracked by Dave (Traffic Cops, QI etc!) and browsing ANI and an RfA! Do they repeat it? Btw, that book I ordered came today so I'm going to blitz the history section later on. I think I'm going to get rid of the current cast section. I might create a new article and call it "current cast of The Bill". You're the expert, so can you pick 3 or 4 of the current cast who definitely deserve a mention in the article (I'm thinking Smithy and Meadows, since they were in it when I last watched it- many years ago!) and maybe 1 or 2 others. What do you think? HJMitchell You rang? 22:24, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, it's repeated on ITV 3 on Monday at 11pm. You could also try ITV's player, but I'm not sure The Bill is on there, it wasn't when I checked a few months ago when STV pulled the plug on the programme, but Talkback Thames did email me to tell me they were trying to negotiate with ITV to add it to the player. As for the cast section, Smithy and Meadows can join the new article, I was also going to suggest Sergeant Callum Stone and PC Roger Valentine? They have both been in it at least a couple of years and both seem to be very popular characters. Did you see Alex Walkinshaw (Smithy) on the Paul O'Grady show a few weeks ago? Has Hamiltonstone offered his thoughts on this yet? --5 albert square (talk) 22:48, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

My internet connection's not good enough to get it on the player (student flats and shared internet connections....). I'll see if I can catch the repeat. I didn't see it, but that's not surprising considering I make a point of not watching Paul O'Grady. That man irritates me! It's a shame he happens to be on just before The Simpsons! I'd definitely agree with you on Valentine, he was another one who was in it when I watched it. Ideally, we'd have a list of the absolute most famous characters ever to darken the doorway of Sun Hill, but that's where I rely on your expertise! Can I ask you to have a look at it- Ideally, we need a list of about a dozen, maybe a few more of only the very most notable, then one of us (you can do the honours, if you want) can zap the rest of it. Hamiltonstone has not replied to my message, as such, but has, as I requested, taken a look at the article and amde a few changes. HJMitchell You rang? 01:10, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi, ok been looking at the page just now, for your suggestion above, (I take it you're meaning past and present characters) so far I've thought of Smithy, PC Roger Valentine, Frank Burnside (I think he was DC last time I saw him on the programme), Superintendent Chandler, PC Gabriel Kent and WPC Andrea Dunbar. I know Andrea Dunbar was only in it about a year or so, but I was suggesting her because of the type of storyline she had. She was a policewoman with a double life as she was really an undercover journalist posing as a police officer to try and expose the police for being too 'soft' on criminals. Apparently the storyline was thought of after the BBC managed to get one of their journalists working undercover in the Police to expose (I think) racism. It's just I've never ever heard of any other police show doing something like this, might be worth a mention? By the way I came across a very interesting article on Digital Spy just now about Scott Maslen nearly being knocked down on set a couple of years ago! I'll include it in your links page, you can have a look at it and see if it's something that could be included in the main article?

OK, can't find the subpage any longer so here is the article on Scott Maslen [2] --5 albert square (talk) 01:57, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Woops, edit conflict! Btw, it's User:HJ Mitchell/Material for The Bill. Anyway, as I was saying:

F**k me, it's 2AM! I figured you were the sensible one of the two of us and would be in bed by now! You're the expert, so I'll go along with your choices because I've not watched it in years. I did remove Dunbar a few days ago because she looked out of place among the veterans, but, by all means add her back. The storyline might be article-worthy from what I've heard- the Sun Hill fires have one each (I created the dab a few days ago!), as does the Don Beech Scandal and one or two others. I'll take a look at the link and see if we can find a place for it. HJMitchell You rang? 02:14, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Haha, am about to go to bed, just had someone vandalise and steal my user page (!) so was making sure everything was working ok on it now. All because I kept reverting this persons vandalisms. I will look into the characters idea more tomorrow and post some ideas to you. Poor Scott nearly getting run down whilst filming. --5 albert square (talk) 02:26, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Fair enough. User page vandalism is taken quite seriously, i think you can take it straight to AIV, which I suggest you do- as you find out, the older it gets, the less admins can do about it. I've not read the link yet, I got sidetracked by the Fort Hood shooting- I had news 24 on in the background and... HJMitchell You rang? 02:35, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

I saw his charming edit summary and was drafting an AIV report, but someone beat me to it and he's blocked now! So much the better! HJMitchell You rang? 02:40, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Oh don't worry I did take it to AIV and they've blocked the person, I think for 71 hours. All because I kept reverting this persons talk page because they kept being offensive to people and shouting. I heard about that shooting today, either BBC News 24 or Metro Newspaper --5 albert square (talk) 02:42, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Nice job. I suggest watching his talk page and checking his contribs after the block expires in case he continues his merry little vandal spree. In which case, take his arse directly to AIV, do not pass go, do not collect £200! I believe I'm right in saying you can do that if they vandalise immediately after being unblocked. But why 71? Why not 72? Ah well, I've seen stranger block lengths. HJMitchell You rang? 02:48, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Evenin'. Will you be on here tonight? I'll try and get something done on The Bill later, but I'm still working on the Fort Hood shooting which (irritatingly) happens to be about the most trafficked article on WP right now! It seems everyone wants their ten pence worth. Anyhow, drop us a line if/when you're on. All the best, HJ HJMitchell You rang? 20:29, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi there, yeah am on tonight. I'll have a look at The Bill's article in a bit. Oh yeah don't worry, I've added that IP's page to my watchlist, I'm intending on keeping an eye on my user page very closely from when their ban is up! Any more of that crap of 'stealing' my user page and I'll be right to the AIV page. You're right, if they vandalise within 24 hours of being released from a block, it's usually a straight block again. --5 albert square (talk) 21:09, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

I thought it was something like that from my infrequent excursions to AIV/ ANI. I've a feeling that he's not about to start contributing constructively so he'll probably just quietly disappear or he'll be back with a vengeance. We shall see. Btw, I finally got chance to look at that link you provided. I don't think we can make much use of it in the main article, but it might be worth putting it into Scott Maslen and/or Phil Hunter if you get chance. Keep a note of it, it could come in handy. I think we ought to try and blitz every article in category:The Bill once we've finished with the main article. There's no shortage of articles needing attention. HJMitchell You rang? 21:46, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Me too, and I seem to have found myself on the receiving end of him, ah well the dangers of being a vandal revert I spose. Btw could you check The Bill later? Just someone vandalised it today, wanna make sure all the vandalism is gone --5 albert square (talk) 22:26, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Again??? FFS! I'll take a look in a mo. All there is to do is revert, warn, report, rinse and repeat. But user page vandalism is cause enough to go straight to AIV. Keep at it, though, someone has to! HJMitchell You rang? 22:56, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Sorted. It was vandalised twice. Once by an IP and three times by a new account. User:SpK got the account but missed the IP, who apparently found it amusing to revert Hamiltonstone's efforts. I've restored that version now so it's all good. I love Twinkle! HJMitchell You rang? 23:24, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! --5 albert square (talk) 23:42, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Any time. Bloody vandals. I've warned the IP (another one with a grudge against The Bill) and thanked SpK for his speedy huggling. HJMitchell You rang? 23:48, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Just to let you know, I've added a little bit of info about the Writers Guild on the awards page. I'll work at the rest of the stuff over the weekend. I'm hoping my book will arrive tomorrow but I'm not holding my breath because of this damn postal action --5 albert square (talk) 00:17, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Good job. I've got my book. It's not exactly independent but it should come in handy for referencing a few things, especially that history section. I'll try and get something done on it later on or tomorrow, I just seem to be a little busy at the shooting article. I'll keep an eye on it at least. HJMitchell You rang? 00:39, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

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Another one. I've moved it to a new thread because the old one was getting rather long and there are newer messages below it! HJMitchell You rang? 18:32, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

And another! HJMitchell You rang? 20:35, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Guess what? "You have mail"! HJMitchell You rang? 21:15, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Yet more ramblings! HJMitchell You rang? 22:08, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

And more! HJMitchell You rang? 23:12, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

And more still! HJMitchell You rang? 23:47, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Can you take a look at this and clarify it please. This guy made a few edits which seem useful, but this raised and eyebrow. HJMitchell You rang? 16:14, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi, I was taking a look at that yesterday but I wasn't sure about it so left it. I've had the chance to look into it now though. I can only find articles saying that the theme tune was used since the series began, and when they're talking about the series they're only mentioning The Bill and not the pilot of it. I actually found Woodentop on Youtube last night and I'm sure it had the original music in it. If it did, it wasn't "Overkill". I think what I'll do is remove this from the article and ask the editor to resubmit it with references --5 albert square (talk) 21:34, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Good evening. I came to the same conclusion- leave it and try to verify. However, from the look of his other edits to the page (I could be wrong) I got the impression it was a kind of "drive by" edit. Anyway, I did a little bit of work on the article earlier today. I'm bouncing between various articles and talk pages at the minute but when I have an hour or so to really get on to it, I will. Any sign of your book yet btw? HJMitchell You rang? 21:54, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi, OK I'm now as happy as I can be that "Overkill" was NOT used in Woodentop, [3] seems to back this up. I'm still looking into the cops and robbers claim though. Oh, yes my book turned up today! The Official History of The Bill, I shall be reading tonight! --5 albert square (talk) 22:19, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

I'd go along with that. It would make sense- no point composing a theme tune for a one off is there? It would be nice if we could get a reliable source for it, but I wouldn't hold my breath. As for the title of the first "proper" episode, I've noticed it says one thing in one part of the article and another where the other editor changed it, so perhaps he's been scrutinising the same details we have, though I can't for the life of me remember where I saw it. HJMitchell You rang? 22:45, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Does it? Can't see that anywhere myself --5 albert square (talk) 23:03, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Well, I think it did, but if it doesn't, there's no problem. Btw, I made a few comments on the review page that might be worth your while looking at. Also btw, did you ever watch Merseybeat (TV series)? I stumbled across it on my travels (I have a habit of stumbling across random pages). I've added it to my (ever growing) "list of things to keep an eye on", which currently, at a glance comprises an RfA, 2 AfDs, 2 user talk pages, a review page and about half a dozen articles! I'll probably try and put some serious work in on it at some point but with a list like that...! HJMitchell You rang? 05:06, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Right. Take a look at the history section. I was up most of the night doing that (and commenting in probably the two most controversial AfDs to go through recently!) but I wasn't going to get any sleep anyway! The history section is, at least, aesthetically pleasing and 90% referenced, even if it is just one (primary) source. Unfortunately I have to defer to you, again, as the resident expert! I'm not happy with that last paragraph of the history section. Well, it won't be the last one by the time I'm finished but I've left the fact tag on it. I can't find a reference for that particular statement- the book is a few years old, so it doesn't cover it. I don't doubt its truthfulness, but if we're going to get this to GA, we have to abide by Wikipedia niceties (one of the many reasons I don't normally work at this level, but that's a rant for another time- as you may have gathered, I have my own opinions on WP policy!) so I'd appreciate it if you could dig around for a ref. The book states the 55 countries stat as well- next in my crosshairs. I wouldn't be surprised if that's where the original contributor got it. So far I've not really got much further than the intro- it has some good history info; have you had chance to leaf through it for anything else useful? HJMitchell You rang? 11:20, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi, I've looked for sources, I could only find solar navigator as a source stating this. As we've already been told that this is not a reliable source, I've removed this part of the article --5 albert square (talk) 15:09, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

It's half 5 in the bloody morning but I aint getting back to sleep so,

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Stone mountain school

Thanks for the heads up, I missed the refs as they were below ELs, have tagge3d for 3rd party RS now. Jezhotwells (talk) 14:54, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

No worries, I know it's not like you to make mistakes, but rather than delete the tag and assume the references were ok, I thought I would double-check it with you :) --5 albert square (talk) 15:02, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Unconstructive Edits

Do you think you have the power to block me, you are not even an administrator. Stop trying to be smart. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.163.215.166 (talk) 00:26, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi, I am well aware that I do not have the power to block you. I am simply reverting your unconstructive edits --5 albert square (talk) 00:33, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Jordan magana

Damn you! I was about to tag that page! Personally I was going to go for nonsense since I don't think Mexico announces its football squad 15 years in advance...

Haha should've been quicker off then mark then shouldn't ya :p! Yeah it was a toss up between that and the one I went for, personally I don't think it matters as it wasn't article worthy anyway. I seem to keep coming across someone trying to make a page for someone called Kirsty Edwards or Kirsty edwards, haha they're on their last warning! --5 albert square (talk) 02:06, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Hey! don't knock him. He might be notable. In 15 years. Yeah, and I'm a monkey's uncle! I've seen that one on the NPs. Evidently someone can't take a hint! They made another one too (I think I slapped an A7 tag on it!). The shit people add to here! It never ceases to amaze me! You'd think they might get the hint: your edit will be reverted, your page will be deleted and your arse will be blocked! HJMitchell You rang? 02:15, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Yeh, in 15 years time in an interview they might well say "yes I remember 15 years ago Wikipedia deleted my article saying I wasn't worthy and look where I am now!" lol. Yeah I just got fed up of the person creating the Kirsty Edwards pages and slapped a final warning on them, not a peep since! Still them creating pages so similar with only one word spelt slightly different didn't half confuse me! I spent 2 or 3 minutes wondering where my speedy deletion tag went before I realised it was another page! --5 albert square (talk) 02:26, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Hahaha! Exactly the same thing happened to me yesterday! Someone declined my second speedy and took it to AfD but another admin used common sense and (as I recommended at the AfD!) zapped it, then salted it. That was the end of that. If they recreate it, ask an admin to salt it. Now I should get some lseep. As amusing as it is to see the shit people put on here at 2AM, I have lectures in the morning! HJMitchell You rang? 02:46, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

A little help?

Someone's nominated Category:Actors appearing in The Bill for deletion. If you have an opinion, it would be welcome at the discussion that you can find via the link! Cheers, HJMitchell You rang? 07:03, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Oi b**ch, you can;t take a wikibreak! Who's gonna keep me amused at stupid o'clock when I'm still on here? And who's gonna stop these blasted IPs vandalisng The Bill related articles? They'll have a field day! HJMitchell You rang? 23:44, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Haha, it's my birthday come Saturday, that's why I'm taking a wikibreak! Might be on Saturday night but definitely won't be on tomorrow or Sunday night, so sticking up a Wikibreak thingy --5 albert square (talk) 00:15, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Well, that's fair enough I suppose! You don't have to come on here on your birthday but I expect to see my watchlist lighting up on monday night- a little bit of a push and we might even be able to crack this GA milarky by the end of next week! Happy Birthday for saturday if you'll not be on tomorrow! HJMitchell You rang? 00:40, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

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When are you back? Hamiltonstone dropped by my talk page earlier. Drop me a line when you're on. It would be good to put The Bill to bed after 330 edits between us! HJMitchell You rang? 17:22, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

November 2009

First time I have ever heard adding a name is vandalism! Rgds, --81.154.32.41 (talk) 21:02, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

It is if it's not true.

You changed his name to read Lucas Erin Johnson. I googled this and can find nothing to state that this is his middle name. Even the EastEnders BBC website doesn't state it. You weren't the only one that tried to change his name tonight, hence the reason why the page is now locked and everyone is being warned. If you have proof that his full name is Lucas Erin Johnson then you are welcome to re-submit this once the page is unlocked again, but it must be submitted with a referenced source or it will be reverted again --5 albert square (talk) 21:31, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Furthermore, just did a little research and his name is actually Lucas Aaron Johnson. At least that's what it said in tonights episode that I watched on iplayer and I'm assuming the BBC know their own characters! --5 albert square (talk) 00:15, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

The Bill III

The saga continues. I've been fixing all sorts of problems I've come across, but can you look at the one issue i've just added to the GA review page? Thanks. hamiltonstone (talk) 02:28, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Hi, I'll leave that to HJ as he's the experienced copy editor. However I remember that I put together that section and that is the only reference for it. Trust me it took me a good week or two just to get that one, I really can't find anything else. What do we do? --5 albert square (talk) 02:34, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Just searched again, still only finding the Broadcasters Audience Research Board as being a reference. If this reference isn't any good should we just remove the section? --5 albert square (talk) 02:48, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Hey, don't know if you want to second this since you actually nominated it? I'm glad that's put of the way! HJMitchell You rang? 00:24, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Sure, how do I do that? I just looked at the link there and there's no link to second it and nothing to state what to do. When I click on the image it just takes me to the photo. Sorry but never had to do this before, didn't even know it existed until now! --5 albert square (talk) 00:32, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

I just thought you might like to add a message or something because he's done much more than is required of a GA reviewer. There's no link or anything. HJMitchell You rang? 00:47, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Ah ok, sorry I misunderstood you before, I thought you were trying to get me to nominate him for something that's why I didn't understand it! I'd thanked him on his talk page previously but have also added a note under your star thingy now --5 albert square (talk) 01:28, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Now all we've got to crack is Dale Smith (still interested in helping me with him?) and I'm willing to bet that compared to The Bill, he'll be a walk in the park! Oh and I've also put Neighbours up for GA status, at least I know what I'm doing with that one now! --5 albert square (talk) 01:28, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm. I think we'll struggle with that if we're going for GA. It needs work though- last time I saw it it focused way too much on the plot and not nearly enough on the character. I'll not be much use there right now since I have a few things on my plate but I'll provide advice etc from the sidelines as and when you need it. Oh, BTW, I think you might want this:

The Bill

This user helped promote The Bill to good article status.

Congrats!

Woo! Thank you! --5 albert square (talk) 03:39, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Accidental deletion

The tags were deleted after I reverted to an older version, I placed the tags back. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.182.41.227 (talk) 06:58, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Ah ok, in that case I apologise, I didn't see that you'd reverted to an earlier version, for some reason didn't show up. I honestly thought the AFD tag was deliberately removed --5 albert square (talk) 07:01, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Sandbox

thankkkkkkkks for ur not thanksfuil help SOAB —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.142.71.0 (talk) 21:43, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry I don't understand what you're saying. I merely pointed out to you, politely, not to remove the sandbox header from the sandbox page (something that the page itself actually requests). I don't understand how that's not being helpful? --5 albert square (talk) 21:52, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

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Dead links live

Hi. Your 09:59, 3 June 2015 edit to the Caitlyn Jenner page added 2 dead link tags. Can you use the following alternate links? I'm guessing the first is a mirror site. The 2nd is Google cache:

• Jenner interview: 'Yes, for all intents and purposes, I'm a woman'
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Hi, they have been replaced.--5 albert square (talk) 16:43, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Socks

[4] - clearly one of the "proxy" group, but not yet used even though several newer accounts have been. Possible attempt to set up a sleeper/autoconfirmation. And this one's the new active sock, just in case you hadn't noticed it yet: [5] AddWittyNameHere (talk) 23:42, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

I have blocked them, thanks. Any idea where they're coming from? I accidentally stumbled into this from Bongwarrior's page!--5 albert square (talk) 23:53, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

'nother one. Not sure where they originate from, but the Proxy-string of puppets has been bothering-and-being-rapidly-blocked on and off for most of the past few days. AddWittyNameHere (talk) 23:55, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Good, that one and another since have been blocked by GB Fan. No doubt more will follow, though. AddWittyNameHere (talk) 23:58, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, @GB fan: beat me to the last one! I've noticed that they've been editing U.S. Route 1 in Maine so I've semi protected that for a bit.--5 albert square (talk) 00:01, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! [6] is the newest. Maine State Route 24 also gets repetitively hit, but Bongwarrior did that one, and they now seem to have moved to Interstate 95 in Maine. AddWittyNameHere (talk) 00:04, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Yeah locked that one too now :)--5 albert square (talk) 00:09, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

And this page, to prevent them coming here. Smart. The next one, by the way. AddWittyNameHere (talk) 00:10, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

And Bongwarrior beat us again. newest. AddWittyNameHere (talk) 00:12, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Would you like your talk page locked?--5 albert square (talk) 00:16, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

-shrug- If you feel it's necessary, I suppose. Doesn't really matter to me one way or the other. PS. Hope you don't mind I fixed your indenting? And just in case Bongwarrior hasn't beat us to it yet, [7] AddWittyNameHere (talk) 00:18, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Ah thanks for fixing the indenting. Ah yes Bongwarrior beats us again!--5 albert square (talk) 00:20, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Suspect that Bongwarrior is, just like me, keeping an eye on the newuser list. Is how I keep finding them within a minute of them registering, anyway. AddWittyNameHere (talk) 00:23, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

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Hi 5 albert square, I'm not up to speed with all the revdel stuff but me thinks this [8] needs revdeleting so could you do the honours please if it does?, Thanks :), –Davey2010^Talk 20:20, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

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Brilliant thank you :), Yeeeah I'm okay thanks hope you're okay :) –Davey2010^Talk 21:30, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

I'm ok thanks apart from having the damn cold. Just had a hot toddy to try and help get rid of it :(--5 albert square (talk) 21:36, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

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possibly misplaced support

Hi 5 albert square,

Somehow your support ended up at the very bottom of the page below the discussion section at WT:RFA instead of in the section that has the !votes. I wasn't sure if that was intentional so I thought I'd let you know in case it wasn't. :) Cheers,
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EastEnders questions

Hi,

I'd like to just ask a few things. Firstly, do you add family members to an infobox if they've interacted and shared a scene? What needs to happen between 2 characters that are related before you put them down?

Also, you know how characters names are writted, take Kathy Beale, at the beginning. It's:

Kathy Beale (also Mitchell)

But before it was:

Kathy Beale (née Hills, previously Mitchell)

What's wrong having it the second way? I know someone said it was a reason characters are created by people, not born, but it's kind of saying they don't get married, die, have children etc. And,isn't the word also more for if a character is credited still by 2 or more names at present? It comes across that Kathy is credited as a Beale and Mitchell.

Thanks, 81.109.13.156 (talk) 17:23, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Hi, the infobox should be limited to direct relatives and only if they have shared a scene together. This is as per the consensus at WP:EE and guidelines at WP:SOAPS.

With regards to a characters name, it is incorrect to put née because characters are created and developed by a team of writers, storyline developers etc and not born. With regards to Kathy, she is known as Kathy Beale and also as Kathy Mitchell so therefore it is correct to say "Kathy Beale (also Mitchell)". Stacey Slater is the same y'know.

@AnemoneProjectors: @JuneGloom07: you both know quite a bit about this, have either of you anything to add to what I've said?--5 albert square (talk) 21:56, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Yes. I would say that for a family member (who is not a spouse, sibling, parent or child) to be included in an infobox, there should be some sort of storyline connection, rather than just sharing a scene. Most of the time sharing a scene means a storyline connection, but in the case of child characters, this isn't always the case as they don't often have their own storylines (for example, Lexi Pearce has probably been seen with her distant relative Roxy Mitchell at some point, but there hasn't been a proper storyline between them). For the more notable families, we have a link to a family article which includes a family tree, so people can see the other relatives.

Regarding "née", indeed, characters are not born in the real world, so we should not talk about them as if they are. This can be quite tricky to explain - Kathy Beale was never born in the real world, because she is a fictional character. Even Lexi Pearce wasn't born in the real world - she was still created by a team of writers/producers, even though we saw her birth on screen. That's the difference though - it was a fictional birth, so we can say in a storyline section that she was born, but we can't say in the lead (which reflects the real world) that she was born. The same for Kathy - if we say "née", then that implies she was born in the real world, which she was not. This isn't the same as saying characters don't have children, get married, etc. That's their storylines, so they do happen, just not in the real world. WP:WAF is a guide to writing about fiction and may help give more insight.

Regarding "previously", works of fiction are permanently set in the "present", even for a soap opera like EastEnders, so you can go back and watch old episodes, especially with YouTube and similar services. If you watch an episode where Kathy is credited as Kathy Mitchell, then she's not "previously Kathy Mitchell", she's simultaneously Kathy Mitchell and Kathy Beale, because all the episodes she's been credited in with both names still exist. As Kathy has never been credited as Kathy Hills, we don't use that name, as it's not reflective of the real world. It's the same sort of reason I don't like saying Kathy and Pete Beale were married in 1968, because they didn't exist until 1985, and in fact as all episodes always exist, she's always simultaneously married to Pete and Phil, because you can go back and watch an episode where she's married to Pete, then one where she's married to Phil, and you'd be watching these in 2015, not between 1968 and 1991, or between 1995 and 1999. But I haven't started a campaign to remove years from marriages yet!

I hope this all makes sense. It's a complicated issue that took me a while to get my head around too. –anemoneprojectors– 08:35, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for explaining.

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I made a mistake on Steve McFadden

I'm sorry it was a mistake I was meant to edit another page and did it by accident — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.44.230.182 (talk • contribs)

No worries, I'd suggest that you use the preview option before saving your edits. That should stop this happening in the future :)--5 albert square (talk) 21:06, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

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revdel request

https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Talk:Charleston_church_shooting&action=history talk page. history log. I put a comment, then deleted immediately. No intervening talk comments were posted between those two events so any change will go unnoticed and affect nobody. IP address privacy issue. These two log entries please: https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Talk:Charleston_church_shooting&oldid=667780782 https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Talk:Charleston_church_shooting&oldid=667781051

as well as this request for revdel, which I post with ip as evidence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.35.22.135 (talk) 16:23, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

Hello, I'm not altogether sure why you're asking for them to be redacted. From what I can understand of your edits, they do not meet our criteria for redaction.--5 albert square (talk) 16:42, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

Should I ask for oversight instead? It states that revdel is often requested because "oversight"/suppression is "not immediate". The following privacy exception is from the page you linked about revdel criteria:

Username hiding (copyright attribution issues):

   Wikipedia's licenses require that accessible edits be linked to the user who performed them, so it is generally a problem to hide the username from a revision while leaving their edited changes to the page in public view. Cases where it is acceptable are those where the revision contains no valid information copyrightable to the user who posted it (i.e. plagiarism, gibberish, vandalism, adding categories, no copyrightable change made to revision text, etc), where all changes will be reverted, or where the user accidentally posted while being "logged out" and the aim is protection of privacy at the request of the user.173.35.22.135 (talk) 20:32, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

Oh I think I should say I'm asking for "Log Deletion" then, which is that subsection of the RevDel page. It looks like Oversight/Suppression has some extra committee review procedure. RevDel is what admins like you can just "do" but there are still issues to consider and "Log Deletion" is the 3rd thing that is based on privacy concerns, gibberish, or anything that is free of copyright issues. I think I meet the criteria for privacy and all changes reverted (I take this to mean my contribution is reverted without any issues, since nobody interacted with it, it also has no consequence for anything else on the page). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.35.22.135 (talk) 20:37, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm very new to this. The most important thing for me is to delete the ip address. I don't necessarily need my 2 changes removed but I would like the IP address removed from the history log and the revision content. I really don't know what that should be called. Just "log deletion"? Something in between revision deletion and log deletion? 173.35.22.135 (talk) 20:42, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

Hello, thanks for the explanation. Why would you like your IP address removed?--5 albert square (talk) 22:13, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

I would like it removed, as I stated, for the sake of my privacy. Is there anywhere I should be aware of that clarifies if "privacy" requires further explanation? I'm just wondering because I need to know the procedure if that reason is insufficient. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.35.22.135 (talk) 22:43, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

Hi, as far as I'm aware, I cannot delete it for this reason. I'm not aware that any Oversighter would be able to delete it either.--5 albert square (talk) 02:56, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. It's very unclear to me why you volunteered for revdel duty when you seem neither familiar with the rules nor willing to interpret very plain wikipedia policy in what seems to me a very simple matter. I also find it disturbing that you make requests for someone with their ip on the page for authenticity to explain their privacy issues openly. This can't possibly be the intent of Wikipedia privacy policy, to expose someone even further under some silly administrative purview of arbitrary judgment calls. If I did explain my issues on here and you chose not to delete, I would expose them not only to you (which is sufficiently inappropriate) but to everyone who accesses this page. You might wish to consider removing yourself from the list of revdel volunteers, for the convenience and safety of other users who will see you listed first as such. 173.35.22.135 (talk) 15:53, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Hi, I am very aware of the rules. The rules state that an IP or username should only be hidden in certain circumstances such as editing when logged out and if the username is an attack username. This is because it causes issues with users trying to review actions taken on you etc etc. You're not the latter and you've not given me any indication that you're the former either. On the information I have, I cannot revdel your IP because I risk losing my administrative rights if I misuse this feature. Sorry but I hope this kind of explains it.--5 albert square (talk) 19:32, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

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• Some wikis can now be used only with HTTPS. This includes the English, Russian and Chinese Wikipedias, among others. Soon all wikis will use only HTTPS for all users. [23] [24]
• You can't use HTTPS wikis with Internet Explorer 6 on Windows XP. You need to use another browser. [25]

Problems

• On June 15, search was broken on all wikis for several hours. [26] [27] [28]
• On June 16, images were broken for several hours on wikis that use InstantCommons. [29] [30] [31]
• Many Labs tools were broken for several days. Almost all of them are back now. They may be missing some data for the last 10 days. [32] [33] [34]

Changes this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from June 23. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis from June 24. It will be on all Wikipedias from June 25 (calendar).

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Coronation Street-Adopted Relatives

Hi,

I just wanted to ask about adopted relatives in infobox. You see, I made an edit to a few pages and I added Bethany as Martin's adoptive granddaughter and I added Martin as Bethany's adoptive grandfather. I also added Ken as Amy's adoptive grandfather and listed Amy as Ken's adoptive granddaughter. Another anonymous user kept reverting it and I put it back, but they reverted again. Before I decided to do anything I thought I would just see what was what.

I mean, Martin and Ken both legally adopted children (Sarah and Tracy) and they have been involved with their children (Bethany and Sarah) and considered them grandchildren. Bethany has Martin's surname and Amy also has Ken's surname, so could they be listed as grandchildren/grandparents (adopted). It's like the current situation with Anna-she adopted Faye, who has Miley and Anna is no less a grandparent than Tim to Miley.

81.109.13.156 (talk) 20:04, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

Hi, I don't know much about Coronation Street, I rarely edit their articles as I rarely watch the soap. @JuneGloom07: do you know about this?--5 albert square (talk) 20:30, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

IP 82.47.191.23 is the one that keeps undoing the edits. They seem to have an issue with step/adoptive family members. - JuneGloom07 Talk 20:36, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

June Gloom07, is it OK if I add them back on? 81.109.13.156 (talk) 21:27, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

Sure. I'll try and check on the pages occasionally to see if they're removed again. - JuneGloom07 Talk 22:21, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

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Hi, why did you put these threads in User talk:ClueBot Commons/Archive 1 and not in the monthly archive for June? It makes it more difficult to find archived threads, because the archive that you used is not linked from the {{User:ClueBot III/ArchiveThis}} at the top of User talk:ClueBot Commons. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:32, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Hi, I used this tool for archiving and that's where it automatically archived it to. Is this tool not working correctly then?--5 albert square (talk) 20:14, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Well, if it's not putting the threads in the normal archives, I would say not. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:21, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Ah sorry I didn't realise. Seems to be archiving other talk pages ok, no idea why not CBNGs!--5 albert square (talk) 20:30, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

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• When you read a page on the mobile site, you can now see a link to go to its talk page. [37]
• The code coloring tool has changed. You can now use many more languages. It now also works on mobile. [38] [39] [40]
• You can look at a new site to learn how to reuse data from Wikimedia sites. [41]

Problems

• JavaScript was broken on some wikis due to a code error. VisualEditor and other tools that use JavaScript were broken. [42]

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• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from June 30. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis from July 1. It will be on all Wikipedias from July 2 (calendar).
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• If you are an admin or have other special rights, you now need a strong password. [45]
• Bot and JavaScript coders: The old continuation mode of the API for action=query doesn't work any more. [46]

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Someone added their address, telephone number, & email to Talk:Federal Aviation Administration. I reverted the edit, but they should be deleted. Please delete the last three edits from 68.173.167.192 , SineBot, & AHeneen. Thanks. AHeneen (talk) 19:27, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi, I would have thought that would need to be oversighted and I can't do that as I'm not an oversighter. You will need to report that here.--5 albert square (talk) 21:55, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. I have submitted an oversight request. AHeneen (talk) 00:02, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

No worries, I just checked and it's been suppressed.--5 albert square (talk) 00:21, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

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Recent changes

• On the mobile site, you now see more information when you search for a page. It now shows the description from Wikidata. [48]

Problems

• The code of long pages is not colored any more. You may see this problem on the pages of long gadgets. [49]

Changes this week

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• The "Page information" tool shows how many users watch the page. You can now see how many are active. [50] [51]
• You can now translate articles into English with the new translation tool. [52]

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Today you manually archived three threads from the Admin Noticeboard Incidents page - but in that archiving you placed them in the main Admin Noticeboard archive and not the Incidents archive. I have corrected your error. Curse of Fenric (talk) 11:47, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks.--5 albert square (talk) 20:41, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

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Recent changes

• You can now see a list of pages with errors in code coloring. [53]

Problems

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• There was a problem with images on Thursday. They were broken on all wikis for 15 minutes. [55]

Changes this week

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Hi there. I didn't see any comment about "User:2604:2000:FFC0:6:FCB3:2596:52C5:6EBC" on the vandalism board, and then it was deleted here. Was it missed? Thanks! Magnolia677 (talk) 03:13, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Ah sorry that was in error, however we wouldn't have been able to do anything anyway as the user hasn't been sufficiently warned. Last warning is on 25th June.--5 albert square (talk) 21:40, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I was so angry I left a level 4 as the first warning! Could you have a peek at that editors history? Tons of under-the-radar number adding. Makes me crazy because it destroys so many editors' hard work. Cheers! Magnolia677 (talk) 22:34, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi, I had a quick look but I'm not seeing anything that's obvious vandalism. That said I'm not an expert in the articles that they're editing :)--5 albert square (talk) 23:47, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

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• You now see more warnings in the image viewer. They tell you to be careful when using the image, for example if it shows a person. [57]

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Recent changes

• Wikimedia no longer uses visitor statistics from comScore. [59]
• You can make interactive graphs with the Graph extension. There is now a tutorial for how to do this. [60]

Problems

• Some pages do not turn in up in categories where they should be. This is because link tables are sometimes not populated. [61]

Changes this week

• The Nuke extension will work with Flow. This will make it easier to handle spam in Flow. [62]
• New file uploads will now be patrollable. [63]
• Internet Explorer 8 will no longer have JavaScript support. You will still be able to browse and edit Wikipedia if you use Internet Explorer 8, but will not be able to use some features. This can be solved by upgrading to a newer version or switching to a different browser. [64][65]

Meetings

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Future changes

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• The edit tabs for the wikitext editor and the visual editor will be combined to one single edit tab. You will be able to choose which one you prefer. If you are not logged in, your choice will be saved as a cookie in your browser. You can test the single edit tab. [67][68]
• There is a beta feature that adds links to the subject on other Wikimedia projects. This works much like the links to for example Wikipedia articles in other languages. It will go out of beta testing and be enabled for everyone in January. Wikis that don't want this can decide to have it disabled. [69][70]
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Recent changes

• You will be able to find or mark bugs and suggestions in Phabricator that are specific for your language or wiki. [71]
• Notifications have been upgraded with more detailed and easier-to-access information. See the documentation. Cross-wiki notifications will be available soon on the two test wikis. [72]

Changes this week

• The visual editor uses the TemplateData extension to make editing templates easier. You will now get a warning when you edit a TemplateData form and leave it without saving. [73]
• MediaWiki will get a new authentication and authorization system called AuthManager. This is planned to happen in a month or two. Some bots will need to change how they log in. Two new and more stable authentication methods will be available now: Owner-only OAuth credentials and bot passwords. You can read more about the change. [74]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 19 January. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 20 January. It will be on all Wikipedias from 21 January (calendar).

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Recent changes

• You can now follow when pages are added or removed from a category on German Wikipedia. The plan is to add it to Wikimedia Commons and other Wikipedias this week. [75][76]
• Administrators can hide individual entries of a page with RevisionDelete. There is now a button to choose "all", "none" or "inverse" in Special:Log. The article history will get the same buttons soon. Wikis that have done this locally with JavaScript will be able to remove that code. [77]

Changes this week

• You will be able to see the references when you preview a section you are editing. This will happen even if there is no <references /> tag in that section. [78]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 26 January. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 27 January. It will be on all wikis from 28 January (calendar).

Meetings

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Future changes

• There is now an extension called ArticlePlaceholder. It can automatically generate content on Wikipedia with data from Wikidata if there is no Wikipedia article. It will have a tag to remind the reader it is not an article and ask the reader to create one. The developer is now looking for smaller Wikipedias that want to try the extension. [79]
• The OTRS system will be upgraded. The plan is to do this on 3 February at 08:00 (UTC). It will probably take 6 to 8 hours. OTRS will be down during the upgrade. [80]
• Users will soon be automatically congratulated when they reach some edit count milestones. [81]

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Recent changes

• Phabricator has been upgraded. [82][83]

Problems

• There was no new MediaWiki version last week. Changes that were planned to happen last week will happen this week instead. This is because of a bug that made saving pages take longer time. [84][85]

Changes this week

• After February 23, you can use Wikidata for inter-language links on Wikiversity. [86]

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 23 February at 20:00 (UTC). See how to join.
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Smoiva (talk) 12:13, 24 February 2016 (UTC)deleted pageSmoiva (talk) 12:13, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

I want to edit a deleted page: https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Bharatplaza. It is an exploration for a company so no advertising aims. How shall I do this please ? Only admins could do this. Thank you

Hello. No it can be created by others. I would suggest you read WP:NOTABILITY 5 albert square (talk) 06:43, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

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Tech News: 2016-09

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• Thanks to the Graph extension and Pageview API, we now have {{Graph:PageViews}} templates that can show pageviews for any wiki page for any of the wikis. See the examples.
• The Capiunto extension is installed on test wiki. Capiunto provides flexible infobox functionality for Scribunto and generates HTML for infobox features such as headers and rows. It is designed for clean and modern infoboxes that are driven by data from Wikidata, easily usable across different language versions, and easily extensible.
• The visual editor now follows the TemplateData format setting announced in November. When you edit or add a use of a template, the wikitext will be laid out in one of the two ways. [87][88]
• The order of parameters and format defined in a template's TemplateData will be now respected. [89][90]

Changes this week

• On wikis where the visual editor is available in single edit tab mode, red links may open the visual editor instead of the wikitext editor, depending on user preferences. [91]
• Anonymous editor warning is now displayed as a warningbox for consistency in both the visual editor and the wikitext editor. [92]
• Parsoid has been updated to fit some HTML 5 specifications. [93]

Meetings

• Resigning executive director Lila Tretikov is taking questions at Knowledge Engine FAQ regarding the much talked about project. [94]
• You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 1 March at 20:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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Tech News: 2016-10

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• Files on Wikimedia Commons can now be 2 GB big. The old limit was 1 GB. [95]
• Welcome notifications now have a different symbol. English Wikipedia already had this one. [96]
• The Wikimedia memory cache servers in the Eqiad cluster have now been upgraded to Debian 8 (Jessie). Some users might have had to log in again because of this. [97]
• It is now easier to categorize images uploaded to Wikimedia Commons in the Commons Android app. [98]
• Bare attributes in tags now parse according to the HTML5 specifications. <pages from= to= section=1> will parse as <pages from="to=" section="1"> instead of <pages from="" to="" section="1"> as it used to. Please use <pages from="" to="" section=1> or <pages section=1> instead. This is mostly likely to affect pages on Wikisource projects. [99]

Problems

• Phabricator has been a bit unstable lately. This should be fixed now. [100]
• The PageView API shows wrong data between 23 February and 29 February for pages with special characters in their title. [101]
• The parsing change mentioned above caused a large number of pages to break, especially on Wikisource. [102]
• You may see falsely formatted edit links on both mobile and desktop devices. Mobile devices can also show incorrect formatted table of contents. This should be fixed soon. [103]
• Templates using TemplateData that were edited with the visual editor might have some problems in wikitext mode. This can be fixed by editing and saving the page by using the visual editor without making any changes. [104]

Changes this week

• Cross-wiki notifications will be enabled as a beta feature on all wikis on 10 March. You will be able to get notifications when something happens on another Wikimedia wiki. [105]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 8 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 9 March. It will be on all wikis from 10 March (calendar).
• Wikivoyages will get the Kartographer extension. Kartographer will allow <mapframe> and <maplink> tags in an article to insert an interactive map and overlay it with different markers. You can add ideas and suggestions to the Maps talk page. If you find any bugs, you can report them in Phabricator. [106]

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 8 March at 20:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• The buttons in interfaces will be simplified. Instead of white, red, green and blue buttons, in future there will only be white, red and blue ones. [107]
• The Wikimedia technical operations team plans to do some server work on 22 March. This could cause some problems, for example make it possible to read but not edit the Wikimedia wikis for a short period of time. The date for this might change. [108]

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The Signpost: 02 March 2016

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If you're meaning my message about providing a reliable source, it's for all the BLP articles that you have been editing. If you're going to change dates of birth, like you did here, then you need to provide a reliable source so we can verify it. I hope this helps!--5 albert square (talk) 20:40, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

The Signpost: 09 March 2016

• News and notes: Katherine Maher named interim head of WMF; Wales email re-sparks Heilman controversy; draft WMF strategy posted

• In the media: Wikipedian is break-out star of International Women's Day; dinosaur art; Wikipedia's new iOS app and its fight for market share

• Op-ed: A modest proposal for Wikimedia’s future

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• Technology report: Wikimedia wikis will temporarily go into read-only mode on several occasions in the coming weeks

• WikiCup report: First round of the WikiCup finishes

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Tech News: 2016-11

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• The mobile web interface no longer suggests HiDPI thumbnails. This is to take up less bandwidth on slow or expensive connections. [109]
• The search engine on wikipedia.org has been updated. [110]

Changes this week

• Wikimedia has a new backup data center in Dallas. Because of planned work on this, you will be able to read but not edit the wikis for a short period of time on both 22 March and 24 March. This could be postponed to April 18. You might lose edits if you try to save during this time. Because of a test, there will also be a couple of minutes where you can't edit the wikis on 15 March starting 07:00 UTC. You can read more about the server work. There will be more notifications and updates about this.
• Administrators and other users with advanced permissions will need to have an 8-byte long passwords. This change takes place on 15 March. Users with too short passwords will be asked to change password the next time they log in. This was decided in a discussion on Meta and is because they can use tools that can hurt the wikis. [111]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 15 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 16 March. It will be on all wikis from 17 March (calendar).
• The buttons in interfaces will be simplified. Instead of white, red, green and blue buttons, in future there will only be white, red and blue ones. [112]

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 15 March at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.
• You can join the next meeting with the Architecture committee. The topics this week are backlog and thumb API. The meeting will be on 16 March at 21:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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Re: Sunset Beach, Ontario

Re: your dabfix tagging of this page as having piping: please remember that some uses of piping are acceptable on dab pages; in this case, the fact that Tay (along with the other entries) is in Ontario is established at the top; there is no need to display the ", Ontario" portion of the page title here. —swpb^T 16:30, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

The Signpost: 16 March 2016

• News and notes: Wikipedia Zero: Orange mobile partnership in Africa ends; the evolution of privacy loss in Wikipedia

• In the media: Wales at SXSW; lawsuit over Wikipedia PR editing

• Op-ed: Hard work needed to address Wikimedia’s leadership challenges

• Discussion report: Is an interim WMF executive director inherently notable?

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Tech News: 2016-12

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems

• Wikimedia has a new backup data center in Dallas. The Wikimedia Technology department planned to test it this week. This will take place the week of April 18 instead. You can read more about the server work. There will be more notifications and updates about this.
• In Firefox, the visual editor would sometimes just jump down to the bottom of the page when you double-clicked on a table cell. This has now been fixed. [113]

Changes this week

• It will now be easier to list IP addresses that don't have to solve CAPTCHAs. [114]
• You will now be able to mark Echo notifications as unread. [115]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 21 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 22 March. It will be on all wikis from 23 March (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 22 March at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• URLs in the recent changes IRC feed will no longer be rewritten to unencrypted HTTP. This could be a breaking change for bots dependent on the IRC feed. This will happen on May 2. [116]

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Tech News: 2018-26

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• PAWS, our JupyterHub system, got an upgrade and a logo. Several bugs should be fixed.

Problems

• When a link text was in italics or had other formatting you could sometimes not edit it in the visual editor. This has now been fixed. [117][118]

Changes later this week

• Content translation users who translate between any two of Arabic, English, French, Japanese and Russian will be asked to be part of a research project. This is to create better tools for translating articles. [119]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 26 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 27 June. It will be on all wikis from 28 June (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 26 June at 18:30 (UTC). See how to join.
• You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 27 June at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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The Signpost: 29 June 2018

• From the editor: The Admin Ship is still barely afloat, while a Foundation project risks sinking

• Special report: NPR and AfC – The Marshall Plan: an engagement and a marriage?

• Op-ed: What do admins do?

• Opinion: Google isn't responsible for Wikipedia's mistakes

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• In the media: Much wikilove from the Mayor of London, less from Paekākāriki or a certain candidate for U.S. Congress

• Discussion report: Deletion, page moves, and an update to the main page

• Featured content: New promotions

• Arbitration report: WWII, UK politics, and a user deCrat'ed

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• Technology report: Improvements piled on more improvements

• Gallery: Wiki Loves Africa

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• Recent research: How censorship can backfire and conversations can go awry

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Tech News: 2018-27

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• The database for tags will be changed. This will happen on 2 July on French Wikipedia and 9 July on all other wikis. Please report if recent changes get slower or you can't save edits. This could especially affect editors who use the database on ToolForge. [120]

Problems

• Last week's MediaWiki update was rolled back. This was because of a database problem. [121]

Changes later this week

• There is no new MediaWiki version this week.

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 3 July at 18:30 (UTC). See how to join.
• You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 4 July at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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Tech News: 2018-28

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• WebM video files have smaller file size but still be of the same quality. Creating WebM files will take longer time. [122]
• The new filters for edit review tools and interface for watchlists will leave beta. This was supposed to already have happened but was delayed. For most wikis this will happen on 9 July. For the rest it will happen on 16 July. [123]
• All wikis now use the Remex parsing library instead of Tidy. This could cause errors. You can help fix the errors. [124]

Problems

• When you rolled back an edit it could get both the Rollback and Undo tags. This has been fixed. [125]
• Rollbacks from autopatrolled users were not marked as patrolled. This has been fixed. [126]

Changes later this week

• When you edit a link in the visual editor there will be two separate buttons to change which page the link goes to (target) or its text (label). [127][128]
• On the mobile version you can find a link to an editor's contributions from their user page. Now this will work even if they haven't created a user page. [129]
• When you edit a discussion on the mobile version you sometimes get your signature automatically added. This will now not happen if you have already added a signature manually. This is to avoid double signatures. [130]
• Structured discussions toolbars will have more style options. [131]
• When you look at Wikimedia code in Gerrit there will be a new interface. It is on by default for new users. This is also true for developers. This is to make it easier to understand what is happening. [132]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 10 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 11 July. It will be on all wikis from 12 July (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 10 July at 18:30 (UTC). See how to join.
• You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 11 July at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• Today all administrators can edit CSS and JavaScript for the entire wiki. There will be a new user group for editing CSS and JavaScript. Administrators will no longer automatically be able to do this. This is because it is a security risk when all administrator accounts can edit JavaScript even if they never plan to or do not know how it works. You can read more. [133]
• Page previews will be on by default for new accounts. [134]

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