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Happy editing! Nardog (talk) 06:00, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

June 2024

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Please provide an edit summary for every edit you make. With a Wikipedia account you can give yourself a reminder by setting Preferences → Editing → Prompt me when entering a blank edit summary, and then click the "Save" button. Thanks! Nardog (talk) 06:00, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

French IPA

May I ask where you're getting these pronunciations from? Nardog (talk) 01:32, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sure! From Wiktionary, using from this template which can be found in various French entries. I mean while I use it to get the IPA symbols, I know a little bit of French as well, I know what sound does each letter or letter combination make. ڤٌّ (talk) 05:12, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How do you know Ormancey, Amey, Baraguey, Ferey, Meynier, Peytes, and Reynier have [ɛj] rather than [ɛ]?

How do you know Hilliers and Martillière have [j] and not [lj]? Nardog (talk) 02:04, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Those were by mistake I think. Sorry for that. ڤٌّ (talk) 04:54, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Then how do you know they're [ɛ]/[lj] and not [ɛj]/[j]? It's not a rhetorical question, I'm genuinely asking. Nardog (talk) 06:52, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I know that way because I learned that way, whether it is true. I doubted that it should have been /lj/ instead of /j/, but the template generates it in a wrong way. I hesitated fixing it, because I thought that I might have been wrong. Anyway, for this /ɛj/ thing, haven't I got that one true already? The digraph "ei" is /ɛ/, so shouldn't "ey" be /ɛj/? ڤٌّ (talk) 09:38, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What template? You mean Wiktionary's {{fr-IPA}}? If you're relying on it to generate transcriptions and you personally can't vouch for their accuracy, please stop immediately.

What does the value of ⟨ei⟩ have to do with the value of ⟨ey⟩??? Duden's Das Aussprachewörterbuch, for example, includes at least 30 French words ending in -‍ey, and they're all transcribed to end with [ɛ], not [ɛj]. I don't know of a word where ⟨ey⟩ is not followed by a vowel yet is pronounced [ɛj]. Nardog (talk) 10:32, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

First of all I didn't change the meaning of your messages, I just merged them while specifically trying to keep its meaning the same. Why I did so was because I like to keep discussions in one, continuous thread. That's that, about this other thing, I think I'm going to make IPA changes that I can vouch for. Anyhow, the words that I transcribed as /ɛj/ did not end in -‍ey, they had -ey- before the last syllable. But I reckon that's inaccurate regardless, so correct me if I'm wrong. By the way are you a native French speaker? ڤٌّ (talk) 12:12, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]