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Congratulations!

Good luck with the mop. Will be great to have you around as an admin. Regards, SBC-YPR (talk) 17:47, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Aren't RFAs supposed to roasts ? The comments at yours were more like encomiums. Deservedly so. Congratulations and welcome to the cabal janitorial closet! A forewarning: RegentsPark and I plan to play hooky twice as often now, and the newest kid on the block always gets to handle all the biggest messes. Enjoy the tools. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 17:48, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Ha. This proves that the system can be gamed. Just kidding! Now use that mop and bucket to clean up the mess left by socks and pov warriors everywhere. --RegentsPark (sticks and stones) 17:52, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, but unlike before, I now have two people to blame for any actions! cheers -SpacemanSpiff 17:56, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations, condolences, good luck, sorry to hear about your new condition! A look at the talk pages of your two nominators tells me that they really are trying to unload on you :-) . Priyanath ^talk 18:11, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

• Much deserved. Welcome aboard. --ThaddeusB (talk) 00:32, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

WEll done YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles finally at Featured topic candidates) 01:46, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Good luck! :) Aaroncrick (talk) Review me! 04:45, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

• Congrats. Well done. An excellent addition to the admin crew -- Samir 05:52, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

• Thanks folks. -SpacemanSpiff 05:58, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

• Congrats. I'm sure you'll make a great admin. Salih (talk) 17:14, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

• Hooray, you made it through alive. Repeat after me: "I am The Law! Respect my authoritah!". Fences&Windows 01:48, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

• Congrats! :) Paalappoo (talk) 14:06, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

• Congrats (or is that commiserations?) on your successful RfA! -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 14:36, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

• Ah! Yours was the first time I was the first to vote, so glad it passed! If you need any help, feel free to drop me a line. GedUK  16:07, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

• Thanks folks. -SpacemanSpiff 17:22, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations. Here are what pass for words of wisdom from the puppy:

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hello

hello,

i hadn't seen your message requesting not to change andhra pradesh name to telangana.but telangana is official state which was declared by central government of india. BTW i started editing it only to activate my account which asked me to do atleast 10 edits and i preferred to change andhra pradesh to telangana(as per my knowledge it is official) and even it is updated in wikipedia(in telangana page that central government declared telangana).

with regards, anand626842. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anand626842 (talk • contribs) 03:39, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

The Telangana page says that the process has been started, nothing more. Even if it is changed to a state, birth places of people will continue to be Andhra Pradesh as we document it based on what it was at that time. As for the 10 edits bit, it's always good to do non-controversial changes, not incorrect ones. Hope this helps. Happy editing. cheers. -SpacemanSpiff 03:45, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Indian thought's address/phone

http://www.kkbooks.com/profile.html

i think this is it [1][2]. Same address as "Indian Thought" (as listed in Bapasi website and in my 2006 edition books). But the press name is different (may be as it is common practice for the print companies to have different imprints). i cross checked the chennai directory (it is a bsnl number) - [3] and the number (4424344519) belongs to a "Shri krishnamurthy" and address is the same. furthur confirmed by this directory [4]. And it gives another imprint name - Krishnamurthy Books. And bingo he is minnie's husband [5] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sodabottle (talk • contribs)

Perfect, thanks. That picture appears to be of the same house that was featured in Le Monde as the headquarters of Indian Thought Publications. And, I know the address :) I'll send them an email and check if they can donate a few pictures. BTW, you may want to do something with Tvs lakshmi. cheers. -SpacemanSpiff 19:25, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

oh noes. not tvs lakshmi. I hate that school (had a couple of weirdo roomies from there in college and while working). will put it in deep back burner and work on it when i want to punish myself.--Sodabottle (talk) 19:30, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Nadars are Kshatriyas

Hi Man

I am a Nadar guy and our clan is Pandiyakula Kshatriya Nadars. our Native is Thirumangalam, Madurai district. We have matrimonial links with similar Kshatriya nadar clans in and around Madurai districts. I have photographs of tamil kalvettu refering nadars as Kshatriya nadar. I will email you our temples snapshots. Also I have lot of web references @ http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Talk:Nadar_(caste) . I need yourself to edit the kshatriya wiki page and add Nadars as non-vedic Kshatriyas.

If you play games, I have no option other than to consider wiki as Kena payyan webpage-la kirukku paya nattama :P

For guys like you im going to float our clan's website and substanciate with facts.

PK Nadan (talk) 04:02, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

I don't care who you are or what you consider yourself to be. Now that we have settled that bit, let's see, your POV has no place in article space; for any content that you add to article space, you need reliable sources. Your caste website and other such things have no reliability or relevance. And quite honestly, I don't care if you float a clan website or not, that has no bearing on my life or on my wikipedia editing. Clear enough? -SpacemanSpiff 04:08, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Neither do i care what you think of me. What Im concerned about is as an Admin, you removed my edit in Kshatriya webpage that said Nadars as Kshatriya nadars. May be you want more proof, pls read my web references at http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Talk:Nadar_(caste) . From your above reply, It looks like you have not read the link in full before cornering me. I dont want to argue with you. If you say the web reference i have given in the above link is not sufficient, so are the references given to tamil books which no language neutral admin can verify. I am suspicious that your are safeguarding your caste material.

PK Nadan (talk) 04:46, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Quite honestly, if you think that because there's a casteist organization that considers itself as belonging to a certain segment it qualifies as a reliable source, you're wrong. We report what scholarly sources have published. It's just that simple. Now, if you get such sources, I'm very open to discussing content. However, this business of "they are wrong and only I speak the truth" isn't going to get you anywhere. -SpacemanSpiff 04:51, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

mm your explanation is quite intersting, if you go by this logic then no caste wiki page can exist. when it comes to casteism it matters what a particular group has to say about themselves for generations in records and stones then what others say. I pointed to the hindu webpage as it reflected few facts. I dont want to lecture you here. Also im not saying they are wrong and only i speak the truth. It is your POV. Im asserting my own caste and its history. Im also skeptic that you would reject even if I refer to a scholarly article that refernces Nadars as Kshatriyas as POV of the scholar. Here is one scholarly book that refers to Nadars as Kshatriyas [6] search for kshatriya in the sample page previewer. PK Nadan (talk) 05:25, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Nadan, the websites you have given are not qualified as reliable sources by wikipedia policies. if you want to add your information you will have to source it with sources that qualify. Moreover the court cases etc you cite are from 20th century. The struggle by Nadars to assert that they are kshatriyas date backs to mid 19th century. When the colonial historians categorised nadars as sudras, there was a movement to oppose it and ask for kshathriya qualification. For example, The Sandror kazhagam and other Nadar organisations have indeed published books by PhD scholars and Tamil historians disputing Edgar Thurston, William Caldwell, Sarah Tucker and Robert Hardgrave's depiction of Nadars. There are histories of how Nadars argued for Kshatriya status in the 18th century from 1850s to 1900s. Those books and works can meet Wikipedia qualifications. Please get them and use them as sources, instead of these websites. That way the information you are trying to add has a better chance of staying in wikipedia. Wikipedia maintains a certain standard of references and Spiff as an admin is merely enforcing them. Accusing him of casteist intentions is in very very bad form--Sodabottle (talk) 05:36, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

harvnb in AHA

Regarding the notes plus references format for Anti hindi Agitations, i have a peculiar problem. The book that has most multiple references is the "passions of the tongue" by sumathy ramaswamy. it gets referenced like 15 times. The trouble is i dont have the usual book edition to point page numbers. I used the online edition which has only chapters as seperate html pages. And my hardcopy is a downloaded and printed one, so no help there either. So i am citing whole chapters as (4.22 or 4.21 or 5.30 etc) and each citation url is pointing to the correct chapter. If i shift to notes plus ref style, then two problems arise 1) i dont know the individual page nos for the print edition - i can only quote the entire chapter pages like 168-179 (found out through searching in gbooks limited preview)2) i wont be able to point the url to the exact chapter in the online edition. This was the reason i didnt go for the notes plus ref format. Any ideas how to tackle this?--Sodabottle (talk) 04:07, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Try this from the index. You should get page nos for everything from this, where it's blocked, I'd suggest you check the no of pages on the chapter for this vs your online version and number them accordingly. Also, instead of page no on Harvnb, you can use location to link to chapters, see {{Harvnb}} for the exact syntax for the different formats. Hope this helps. cheers. -SpacemanSpiff 04:14, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Another alternative is for you to search on gbooks for a string "One day during their daily march" from the page you're referencing from. Even if it's blocked, you'll get the page no from gbooks. In GA/FA reviews this matters a fair bit. cheers. -SpacemanSpiff 04:21, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

i have used the "loc" param for now. I will find the page nos using gbook internal search as you suggested and add them.--Sodabottle (talk) 05:37, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Looks good. Also, you could take a look at Decipherment of rongorongo a year old FA. You'll see how both books and journal articles have been moved to the references/biblio section, with condensed notes format. cheers. -SpacemanSpiff 05:48, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Edit filter

You might want to request new filters here. Aditya Ex Machina 06:01, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, will post there. I was hoping someone at WT:INB had abusefilter capabilities. cheers. -SpacemanSpiff 06:13, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

move help

K. Nanjil Manoharan to Nanjil K. Manoharan. it is a non-controversial move. thanks. --CarTick 13:36, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Done. cheers. -SpacemanSpiff 15:55, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

thanks. --CarTick 18:19, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Your Noble Action as an Administrator Is requested

Dear Respected Administrator . Congratulations for becoming an Administrator. You appear to be managing Carnatic Music and/or Purandara Dasa, and/or Ugaboga articles.

Without discussion the original position of Purandara Dasa photo was replaced with a non-human photo with no RS. Based on information posted already by different editors of Wikipedia following are references.

1. Dr. Piero Scaruffi (international author on music books) in the article A Summary on Indian Music: 'The founder of Karnataka style is considered to be Purandara Daasa'. : [7]
2. Prof VSS Rao- 'Shri Puradara Daasa is known as the pra-pithamaha (founder) of modern Carnatic classical music.' [8]
3. Shri P.N.Krishnamoorthy – Director. [9] The Sangeetha Vidyalaya 'Purandara Dasa (1484 - 1584) can be said to be the principal founder of the Carnatic system as we know it today.'
4. Kamat Research Database : 'The Father of Carnatic Music Composer Purandaradasa (15/16th Century) was a great literary and musical genius. [10]
5. Independent group: 'Shri Purandara Daasa is known as the pra-pithamaha (founder) of modern Carnatic classical music.' [11]
6. In the book 'MS – A Life in Music' by TJS George. New Delhi: HarperCollins, 2005 (4th Impression).-ISBN 81-7223-527-5. '... the development of Carnatic music from the times of Purandara Dasa (1480-1564), considered to be the father of the genre' (see [Music genre])

All wikipedia editors of Carnatic Music have unanimously agreed that Purandara Dasa is Pitamaha ( meaning father in Kannada ) of Carnatic Music. In English to call someone the "father" of something means he created it, not merely enhanced it or popularized it . Therefore Purandara Dasa is called either the creator or inventor or founder of todays Carnatic Music (Aka Karnataka Music). The editor responded to RFC also concluded the same.

PN. I am not Naadapriya but followed above articles since many years. Please change the above three articles to the original status before the current sole owner Ncmvocalist have changed them with out discussions. So far several attempted correct it but they were all tainted with sock puppetry.

Your noble action as an Administrator of highly respected Wikipedia will make Wikipedia still a better place for all of us live, particularly users like me who help children to use wikipedia. FROM A MULTI_USER COMPUTER SYSTEM 76.212.15.89 (talk) 05:26, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Please stop synthesizing material. How does someone become the founder of something that existed before them? In addition, claiming that you aren't Naadapriya after checkuser has confirmed it, isn't exactly going to get you many ears. Stop your disruption. -SpacemanSpiff 05:47, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Respected New Adminstrator . Following is not a synthesis:

1. Dr. Piero Scaruffi (international author on music books) in the article A Summary on Indian Music: 'The founder of Karnataka style is considered to be Purandara Daasa'. : [12]
2. Prof VSS Rao- 'Shri Puradara Daasa is known as the pra-pithamaha (founder) of modern Carnatic classical music.' [13]
3. Shri P.N.Krishnamoorthy – Director. [14] The Sangeetha Vidyalaya 'Purandara Dasa (1484 - 1584) can be said to be the principal founder of the Carnatic system as we know it today.'
4. Kamat Research Database : 'The Father of Carnatic Music Composer Purandaradasa (15/16th Century) was a great literary and musical genius. [15]
5. Independent group: 'Shri Purandara Daasa is known as the pra-pithamaha (founder) of modern Carnatic classical music.' [16]
6. In the book 'MS – A Life in Music' by TJS George. New Delhi: HarperCollins, 2005 (4th Impression).-ISBN 81-7223-527-5. '... the development of Carnatic music from the times of Purandara Dasa (1480-1564), considered to be the father of the genre' (see Music genre)

There is no RS to state that Non-human invented today's Carnatic Music. If as an wiki admistrator you are endorsing non-scientific statement, it is time for us to stop approching you and try to seek others. BTW I am reading CM even before Naadapriya entered. You were not invovled unless we are mistaken. Any specific reason for your ad-hoc involvement. It will clear the air. Applying approved wiki tool such as CU is OK on our system. Of recent our system adminstrator has indicated possibilities of external intruders. We are in the process of contacting appropriate team to clarify. USER FROM MULTI_USER SYSTEM76.212.15.89 (talk) 08:08, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Our system adminstrator informed us that no indication of CU being applied to our system. You state that CU has been applied. Please provide the statistics when and who applied it. We will make sure that their will be no viloations. Thanks.76.212.15.89 (talk) 08:45, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Just an explanation - Check user tool is a wikipedia internal tool for analyzing the pattern of edits and identifying sock puppets. It does not do anything physically in your computer/network. It analyzes edits to wikipedia coming from your IP address. More here WP:CHECKUSER. Also if you get an user id, you will be able to talk to admins and other editors better.--Sodabottle (talk) 09:50, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

வனக்கும் (greeting) Thanks for the response though expected answer from SS. Based on CU description what would the relation between NV and SS since both use word 'synthesizing ' to defend POV in CM. I guess they are called meatpuppets if I understood correctly. NOT Naadapriya76.212.11.35 (talk) 18:12, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

<--Look, Spiff, if someone asks you nicely to do something, you should just go ahead and do it. No need to get all particular about details like "synthesis" and "chronology"--the latter is just a colonialist concept anyway. I wish I had as many acronyms and IPs as NOT Naadapriya; I could do some useful stuff on Wikipedia. Greetings from your honorary Tamil, Drmies (talk) 03:17, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for stopping by and for the wise counsel doc, I was expecting you to follow Satbir Singh around for a while, but you have come in search of nobler pursuits I guess. How are things that side of the good fight? cheers -SpacemanSpiff 04:02, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

I left a note under your notice on my talk. In short: I was about to get busy, but I was interrupted, and then some Respected Administrator had already taken care of business--just as I was ready to show my balls on some talk page or other, haha. So--you agree that chronology is overrated, and that someone, if they are talented enough, can easily spawn something that's born a thousand years before them? Drmies (talk) 04:29, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

NO Synthesis

All accept that Purandaradasa is the father of Carnatic Music. As seen in wikipedia articles Jimmy Wales is called both Father of Wikipedia and Founder of Wikipedia. Just like that Purandaradasa is the founder of today's (modern, post 15th CE) Carnatic Music. Please use your editing capability of surgical precision to make the correction to CM article. Wikipedia readers will remember this extraordinary act by a new Admn grown beyond language barriers.76.192.201.42 (talk) 07:27, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

• Sorry, NOT Naadapriya, I'm not feeling you. The slippage between "Carnatic Music" in your first sentence and "today's (modern, post 15th CE) Carnatic Music" is telling. I find it strange, though, that you are arguing this point, when your disruptive edits were intended to have the image caption call him "founder" of Carnatic music. Your real intent, obviously, is to equate the metaphorical "Father" with the non-metaphorical "founder"--but the latter term cannot be taken metaphorically, and thus your house is not built on solid rock. I think most Wikipedia readers, and certainly most editors, will understand this. Greetings, Drmies (talk) 19:15, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

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Admin

Congrats on getting Admin status. Best wishes Si Trew (talk) 08:00, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, cheers. -SpacemanSpiff 08:15, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

How's it going? If you want to block someone, Drmies is long over due. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:41, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

I was actually thinking of granting you rollback rights instead. -SpacemanSpiff 02:42, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

I had them once, but I try to mark up my watchlist by clicking a bunch of things in a row so I know where I'm up to, and I ended up undoing a week's worth of other people's article work. Why is everyone trying to give me tools? Let's cut to the chase and make me an admin already. Or an arb. Although I can't promise I will read all the evidence. Too time consuming. But I will review the arguments of the other Arbs and assess the usernames and cabal membership affiliations of those participating in any case I decide. It's the least I can do. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:34, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

You can have my rollback; I barely use it anymore--I'm all Twinkley, thanks to Sky. And before anyone makes CoM an admin, I want to see him on barrel duty for a couple of weeks. CoM is right, though: I am long overdue for a block, but make it long enough for me to finish this book. Drmies (talk) 20:40, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

User:Jayminsoneji

Have a look at this newly created userpage. Salih (talk) 16:59, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Both the article and user page have been deleted and a note left on the talk page. -SpacemanSpiff 18:50, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Tarati

Spiff, thanks for the advice. That took another half an hour from my life which I'll never get back. Do you mind going over the infobox? I can't get the demographics to come out right. Also, feel free to cut from the template whatever is unlikely to ever be important. As you know, I don't do geography... Thanks! Drmies (talk) 20:36, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Looks good, I've cleaned it up -- removed the unused sections/titles and also fixed the ethnicity and faith bits. In future, to simplify your life, you could do something else too, place the project tag in the talk page and add the "|needs-infobox=yes" bit in there. Someone from the Pakistan project would be able to fill it in!-SpacemanSpiff 22:17, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Sure--but will they? I'm an impatient person, dear Spiff. Thanks for your help! Drmies (talk) 00:13, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Delete and unprotect

Will you please unprotect and delete User:Btilm/signature? It is no longer needed. Thanks. Btilm 23:01, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Done. -SpacemanSpiff 23:09, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Deleted article

Hello,

It looks like our article did not qualify for wikipedia.  :(

We will revise this to sound encyclopedic and with other requirements.

Based on the deleted comments, it requires that we contact you in the even we need to post a similar/revised writing to be sure it qualifies to all requirements. :)

Please let me know when we can proceed.

Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mp3hp (talk • contribs) 01:53, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Replied at user's talk page. -SpacemanSpiff 03:48, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Just a simple thank-you

Thanks for blocking 76.98.50.251 for me. I was too busy doing other things to watch my userpage that they used as a target for their vandalism.

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Thanks for the cookie! cheers. -SpacemanSpiff 04:57, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Sacknoid is real!

Sacknoid is real you asshole!