User talk:Mark Arsten

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Verity

Thanks very much for the copy-edit, review and kind comments. It is very much appreciated. I've replied on the FAC page. Sarastro1 (talk) 19:00, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome, I'll try to finish my read-through later today. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:01, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

• Et moi, Mark? Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:11, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

• Will try, busy working on a vital article at the moment :) Mark Arsten (talk) 23:24, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

• Don't forget to get pictures of a certain star's new tattoo! Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:11, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

• Well, actually, I switched the image from two women in thongs to a women wearing low cut pants. I think it's just long enough for me to DYK it. Maybe I'll even get the lead hook, it would probably be vandalized like there's no tomorrow though... might be interesting. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:14, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the support, and thanks for reading so carefully an article on something like cricket! It is always an immense help to have the comments of a "non-cricketer". Sarastro1 (talk) 19:29, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome, it was nice to read such a well-written article. I've tried watching Cricket online a few times, so I think I have the bare minimums down, but there's still so much to learn! Mark Arsten (talk) 19:33, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks from me too... just let's not have the nomination too crowded, okay? BTW, I'd appreciate if you could give S&Man a quick copyedit before I promote it Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:24, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Tramp stamp

Word ... ? Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:40, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Sounds good, do you think the sentence about the SNL skit is clear? I just had someone read the article and they were a bit confused by it. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:47, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

BTW, did you see the mess on ANI today? Kiefer is gone for a couple weeks. Oddly enough, I was alerted to the Lower back tattoo article via an ANI report, someone there had been accused of trolling it. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:54, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

• The SNL thing is clear, IMHO. Saw the Kiefer thing... damn WikiDrama everywhere. Thank God I'm low profile... ish Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:56, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Haha, this is funny! --SupernovaExplosion ^Talk 01:08, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, that dif is so funny I just had to share it with people somehow. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:09, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

• Yeah... you know, Wikipedia users have a very... unique sense of humour Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:22, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

• Tsk tsk, it is not "very unique" :) Mark Arsten (talk) 01:26, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

• So I'm sloven. Geez, I think the dictionary just insulted me... Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:39, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

• And dictionaries are usually so polite... Mark Arsten (talk) 01:56, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

• Well, I've politely replied at FAC. Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:06, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

• Ok, I'll check it out again later. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:20, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

wondering

When you posted a message to me about email, was I being asked something? (I didn't really understand it.) Enlightenment? Best wishes, MathewTownsend (talk) 01:18, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

No, I had e-mailed you (or tried to) a few weeks back and never got a response. It was about the educational project, if I recall, nothing terribly important. BTW, I've almost gotten Hiram Wesley Evans ready for a GA nomination, I got the idea to work on it in a discussion on your talk page, I think. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:23, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

• I thought the inspiration was from my doomed FP nomination Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:36, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

• Well, I got an email but not from you and not about the education report, seems like (?) And not about anything doomed about Crisco. I'm a dunce when it comes to actually understanding things. Will look at Hiram Wesley Evans again. MathewTownsend (talk) 01:40, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

• This nomination was doomed. I'm hopefully not. Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:42, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
• Ok, tried again with the email. I probably would have gotten Evans submitted quicker, but I got up to full steam working on the lynching article, quite distracting. I'll probably be pushing ahead toward FAC with it, I got one of the final two books I need today. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:55, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

I blame you

For the love of all that is sacred don't open this if someone is watching.

NSFW: I blame you for this... but if I restore it I can only blame myself. Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:18, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Amazing! Added it to the photographer's page. --SupernovaExplosion ^Talk 11:55, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

• I blame me too Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:06, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

• LOL. --SupernovaExplosion ^Talk 14:09, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

• Mhmm, that's, uhh, interesting. I'm going to go somewhere else now... Mark Arsten (talk) 15:04, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

• Well, SE says that there is a journal article about those photographs. DYK? :D Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:21, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

• That may lead to a literal supernova explosion... BTW, Cracked has an article about Grammar up--I doubt most of our FA reviewers would agree with it though. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:25, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

• Okay, I know what my next DYK should be: Photographs of a Hermaphrodite (Nadar). I'd have to stop by RX though Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:30, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

• But remember possibility of literal explosion! Very true. --SupernovaExplosion ^Talk 15:32, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

• Possibly useful. GRAPPLE X 15:37, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

• I'll put the request in at RX. Grapple, could you send me a full version by email? No highbeam yet. Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:44, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

• Ooh, SE, the article in the Journal of Sexual Medicine had pictures! Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:06, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

• This is going to turn into one of the odder articles on the entire project--but at least it will be well sourced! Mark Arsten (talk) 17:20, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

• Email sent, Crisco. Does anyone else need it? GRAPPLE X 23:27, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks, that helps a lot Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:35, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

• So, how do you like it? Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:14, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

• I'm impressed actually, good job with that. That's a really rare subject for an article, not too many of those coming along. One minor complaint: you use "rudimentary" a lot though. Not that it's easy to describe malformed genitalia though. I worked on the article about the KKK leader tonight and then watched Louis and the Nazis, highly recommended. It's interesting to see how things develop over time. The modern white supremacists have trouble getting 200 people together, let alone the 200,000 that they could get 90 years ago. Mark Arsten (talk) 06:28, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks. The source used "rudimentary", and since it may be a medical term I wasn't willing to risk changing it to "basic" or "underdeveloped" Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:36, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

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I think it was a typo. Spears is definitely not the basketball player I never heard of until today, or the fictional character. --SupernovaExplosion ^Talk 11:49, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Oh man, I've made that typo so many times, quite embarrassing. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:04, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Lucky Diamond Rich

You might be interested in this article. --SupernovaExplosion ^Talk 11:45, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Wow, I wonder how long it took him to get all those, must have been expensive. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:04, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

• I think the old record holder spent something like $30k Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:23, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

• Yeah, that's a lot to spend on turning yourself blue. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:20, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Some Momos for you!

	Momos for you!
	For expanding the article Lower-back tattoo with a lot of useful and interesting information. SupernovaExplosion Talk 12:19, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

• lol, how did you know I love momos. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:04, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Mark Arsten. You have new messages at User talk:WikiProject_Resource_Exchange/Resource_Request#Tattoo_articles.
Message added 17:53, 25 April 2012 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Shrike (talk) 17:53, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

No problem, glad that you took a second shot at it! Mark Arsten (talk) 20:49, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

WP:WIKISPEAK

Have you looked at this one before? It's long, but interesting

Good Article Candidate n.

• An article you've asked one of your friends to pass

Hmm... Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:38, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

• • LOL, that's good. I trust my friends have more integrity than that, BTW, did you get that check I sent for the last one? Mark Arsten (talk) 01:40, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
    • I'll check for a cheque, good sir. So, as agreed previously? Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:46, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
      • Sure, if you want to, that would be much appreciated. I asked Mathew, but I guess he was too busy (or didn't care to read about a Klan leader). Mark Arsten (talk) 01:48, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
        • Perhaps. We both know it's not going to be the easiest read. Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:53, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
          • Yeah, this one was kinda tough to work on for some reason, hard to put my finger on why exactly. I'm actually not sure if I want to try to take it to FA since I'm so sick of reading about this guy. Oh well, maybe I'll take a few months away from it and put more work in. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:55, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
            • I don't blame you. After restoring those two images, I buried myself in non-Klan related stuff. BTW, this is a very striking portrait, methinks. You may the related article interesting as well, although not necessarily easy to expand. Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:01, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
              • Oh yes, I've seen that portrait before, beautiful picture. I am reasonably familiar with the Bashi-bazouks, if you recall, Bloody Bill was compared to them. That would be an interesting article to work on, there's probably enough sources--but again, not always fun to read about. I was in Turkey last fall, so I learned a bit about the Ottomans, interesting and often sordid history there. Oh well, editing Turkey related topics is what got Jack in trouble to begin with, that area can be a real minefield. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:09, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
                • Interesting, my interactions with him were always about Indonesia. I just dug up that full-size portrait yesterday; the MET has a lot of nice scans. Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:14, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
                  • Good to hear, hope it didn't take too long to upload. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:16, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
                  • Oh, I go to web cafes when I go on uploading binges. Faster Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:47, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
                    • Smart thinking, a slow connection would be very hard for me to get used to. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:48, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
                      • Good thing its so cheap here. Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:03, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
• Article is on hold. Mailing address still the same.

nominator n.

1. Incurable optimist.
2. Inexperienced first-timer: unwitting, innocent lamb to the slaughter.
3. Experienced veteran: possesses the skin of a rhinoceros and balls of steel.

• Which one do you fall under? Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:33, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

• Lamb led to the slaughter, lol. Reviews can be a hard experience for first-timers. Well, thanks for the review. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:38, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

• I'll say. 1740 Batavia massacre is going more smoothly now. Gotta go to work, so I'll reply to any of your fixes later Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:43, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

• Ping Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:44, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

C3 FAC

Hey Mark, that's ok. To be honest, I thought it was the nominator who deleted the text. I think it is his first venture to FAC and assumed that this was his way of dealing with resolved issues. Thanks for the congrats. I'm very pleased with Leno. The article would not be what it is if it wasn't for your excellent PR. I'm currently having a look about for my next venture so watch this space. All the best ! -- Cassianto (talk) 09:32, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Sounds good, hope it goes well. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:42, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Abandon hope, ye who enter here

Remember how you said S&Man got a bad review? Check this out. Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:41, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Wow, that's borderline vandalism right there. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:42, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

WTF (and, bonus for the page patrollers) BALLS

• I'm thinking of stopping my translations to the Indonesian Wikipedia. This FA nomination for the Indonesian version of Jamila dan Sang Presiden (sorry if it's impossible to read) is being derailed by one person saying "it's not long enough" and not citing any comprehensiveness concerns, and another going "all newspapers are unreliable". I go to say that s/he's full of wind, but then I see the policy is more broken than good old RFA here. For example:

4. References to be avoided

2. Newspapers (except for biographies and events)

The policy is clearly not geared to popular culture articles (can you name even one book on Richard Simmons, for example?)

Another, for Soedjatmoko, is being derailed by one person who registered an oppose !vote saying that the person was "not important" (not a policy anywhere) about 10 minutes after I opposed one of his nominations (based on policy, mine was). Another opposer didn't even bother giving a reason.

I take back that initial comment... RFA is in much better shape than this. Imagine if people tried this at FAC... the streets would be awash in tears and cheetos. Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:33, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Oh man, that would be funny were it not for the wasted time. It makes all the FAC drama around here seem silly. Well, at least we're not the only wiki with problems. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:42, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

But that's a good point, it's just impossible to find book/academic sources for some things--makes things real tough sometimes. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:44, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

• I think every Wiki has problems, but blatant hypocrisy... now I know how some feel. The sad thing is, with five FAs there I already have 4% of all FAs on the Indonesian Wikipedia. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:22, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

• Wow, that would be the equivalent of having like 150 FAs here, right? Mark Arsten (talk) 02:51, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

• More or less. I understand some of the things they have, like a blanket policy on Blogs (not that I agree, if Ucu Agustin is going to blog about filming Ragat'e Anak, that should be used as a source for production issues). I wouldn't use blogs for a critical reception section, naturally, but for factual information its fine. But newspapers and magazines, all in one swoop? Another editor pointed to our article on 300... not allowing such sources would be suicide for an encyclopedia which covers popular culture articles. Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:58, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

• Yeah, what's unfortunate is that some editors here would adopt that policy if they could. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:11, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

• Not citing newspapers? Really? Seriously? I'm ashamed of those editors... Blogs I can understand, but newspapers... Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:42, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

• There's a certain segment of editors who are so incensed that we cover pop culture, and would do anything to stop that. Definitely odd. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:44, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

• Yeah, but if one were stuck citing books even for Barack Obama they'd find themselves in a pickle. Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:32, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

• That would be quite the chore! Mark Arsten (talk) 04:43, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

• Indeed. Oh well. While fuming about this, I still managed to write an article which I'm nominating for GA. They may act as primadonnas, let it be... I'll just bring in more readers. Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:46, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

• Yeah, the ideas some Wikipedians have are pretty bizarre, best to try to tune them out. Mark Arsten (talk) 04:48, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

• I received an email from a mutual friend... apparently {{sfn}} can be used to cite minutes as well. I was wondering how to get ? (film) up to FA while sticking with the SFN format... thanks, mutual friend. I agree Mark, some Wikipedians are strange, but some are quite helpful... Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:50, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Honore Laval

If you are ever interested in creating another article similiar to Alexis Bachelot, you look into Honore Laval, the insane priest that nearly wiped out all of the natives of the Gambier Islands.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 07:07, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Sounds interesting, if not somewhat macabre, I'll look into it, thanks for the suggestion! Mark Arsten (talk) 15:14, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

• Insane and macabre? I'd be surprised if you didn't take it. What with lynchings, Klansmen, and Wild Bill... Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:04, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

• I just started working on a great one today, stay tuned. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:06, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

• I'll peek hehe Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:18, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

• lol, I guess people can look in my sandboxes, it's not really private. BTW, I'm reading through Tichborne case right now, riveting article. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:22, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
• Oh, also, I wouldn't complain if you were to double-check that the images on Lenore Romney are Ok :) Mark Arsten (talk) 00:23, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

• Yeah, I think I've heard of that one. Now I hope nobody will start debating the term "claim", "heir", and so on as it doesn't fit their legal definition. Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:25, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

• ROFL, that is so funny. Oh man, the people you run into on this site sometimes... Mark Arsten (talk) 00:32, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Bleh, okay Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:25, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

• Here's what I've got

File:Lenore Romney 1970 campaign commercial.gif has a valid FUR, although it could actually be a bit bigger (should be jpg, too), but that's too picky even for FA.

File:George and Lenore Romney in 1962.gif has problems. First of all, we don't see back of the page, so we can't know if it's definitely go no copyright notice (it's not a poster, which generally do not have stuff on the back to save on printing. Promotional images, like those of Kirk in you archive, can still have notices on the back). Second, the photograph itself seems to be from a Boston Globe photographer (see link), meaning that even if Romney or whomever published the pamphlet without a copyright notice, he didn't own the rights to the photograph, and thus his rights couldn't have slipped away.

File:RomneySwornInSecHUD.jpg seems okay (PD-US-gov)

Hope that helps. I'll be nominating the pamphlet for deletion. Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:35, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

• On second thought, the photograph in the pamphlet wasn't from the Boston Globe - still not sure the creator of the pamphlet had the rights to the image though, so up for deletion. I suggest removing the image until the debate is closed. Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:39, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

• Ok, thanks for checking, good work. I'll mention it on the GA review. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:41, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

• I'm totally going to ask you to proofread something in return... just taking forever to get it ready (it's a list :-D, and I haven't even started on the prose yet, five hours in) Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:30, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

• Ok, cool, let me know when you're ready. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:52, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

• K, that's it for the night. If you want to peek... I'm still missing one studio album (lost my copy, have to buy a new one) and several singles; I suspect there are more, but without sources I don't want to put em in. Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:22, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Lower back tattoo

Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 16:06, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

• No picture, eh? Well, hope I get the picture slot. Then I can have the censor people shooting electricity through my screen like an 80s movie. Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:23, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

• Yeah, that will really irritate those folks in Tunbridge Wells! Mark Arsten (talk) 22:18, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

• Interesting little stub Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:47, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

• Replied to your email. BTW, the hermaphrodite article is getting more hits on average than Chrisye... seems time editing vs page views is nowhere near ideal. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:47, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
  • Yeah, that's pretty funny--wish there were some way around that. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:51, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

• They forgot to add the DYK template at the article talk. --SupernovaExplosion ^Talk 05:17, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

• Huh, that is odd, I wonder why. Mark Arsten (talk) 05:20, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

• Fixed. Actually the DYK notice was left in the redirect page. --SupernovaExplosion ^Talk 05:21, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

• Ok, that does make sense, now that I think about it. I had the page moved after I submitted the DYK nomination, so the original page is now a redirect. Mark Arsten (talk) 05:26, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

• You have mail. --SupernovaExplosion ^Talk 05:49, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

• So it turns out that Lower-back tattoo was viewed 6900 times yesterday... unbelievable. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:49, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

• That's pretty fair. Premarital sex only had 2k. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:15, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

• That's strange. I think it was probably because the hook emphasized the Muria people. --SupernovaExplosion ^Talk 00:55, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

• Probably. The Muria had about 18k hits, I think. When it is more balanced it can be quite nice. Quickie Express and Sandra Dewi had about 9k hits each (double hook). Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:40, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

• Also, Mark, you may have straddled the date line. You had another 1.7k hits on the 30th. Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:43, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Finally!

*Phew*... even Mrs. Crisco is tired of me sitting here. Could you pretty please look at it and see what I goofed up? Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:04, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Wow, that is a long list. Pretty amazing, that table is huge. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:47, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

• Mhm, forty year career... not as bad as if we did one for The Beatles though. I based this off of one about Rihanna Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:18, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

• Do you think you'll go to featured list with it? Mark Arsten (talk) 23:18, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

• Umm... Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:56, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

• Ok then, good to know :) I've never done anything with FL, or any lists for that matter. Hope it goes well. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:59, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

• It's my first venture as well... supposed to have a very different culture. Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:07, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

• FYI, there are a number of harv errors on the references of List of songs recorded by Chrisye. I think you need to code .27.27 into the sfnRef template in the bibliography for the italics.|ref={{sfnRef|Liner notes for .27.27AkustiChrisye.27.27}} instead of |ref={{sfnRef|Liner notes for ''AkustiChrisye''}} Mark Arsten (talk) 00:10, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

• Argh... Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:23, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, that worked. Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:27, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Yep, looks good now. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:27, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

• Danke. BTW, the current FAC now has 3 supports :D Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:30, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

• Phew, good to hear! Mark Arsten (talk) 00:33, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Sadler question

I'm either really short, wearing a really long coat, or the victim of a horribly unfortunate camera angle.

The last sentence of the first paragraph in the "Early life and education" section:

Samuel was a convert to the Seventh-day Adventist Church and his son was baptized into the denomonation in 1888 and became devoutly religious.

His son == William (subject of article)? Who became devoutly religious, Samuel or William? It wasn't clear and I didn't want to get it wrong in the copyedit. Livit⇑^Eh?/_What? 20:01, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for asking (and for helping with the copyedit). What happened was: Samuel converted, then William was baptized in '88 and William became very committed to the faith. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:05, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Got it. Next, "was eventually solicited by a federal law enforcement agency (he did not accept their offer)." I'm trying to recast that to remove the parenthetical phrase, but I need a little more info to make a clean sentence. Was it a job offer, or what? Any other details? Livit⇑^Eh?/_What? 20:11, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

I don't have too many details, I think what happened was an agency learned of his work with the Comstock enforcement group and offered him a job, but he declined. I can try to check more later, but I don't think any of the secondary sources mention much more than that. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:13, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

If you could at least verify that it was an employment offer, that would help. I've done the lede (which I'll have to redo at the end, probably) and the first section. I won't have enough time right now to do the next section, so I will hold off until later tonight or tomorrow. Livit⇑^Eh?/_What? 20:22, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Yes, they did offer him a job. He was a bit of a polymath, I think. You bring up a good (and amusing) point about the picture, I wonder how tall he was. Hmm... Mark Arsten (talk) 20:24, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Vandalism

Vandals make silly edits. BTW, have a look at this edit. --SupernovaExplosion ^Talk 10:05, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I don't know what that guy's problem was, I think he was mad that there is a specific college aid group to help more African Americans fund their university payments but none to specifically give more white Americans funding. Some people get real worked up about that over here, they're almost as bad as the Men's rights people sometimes. If you look at the history of my user page you can find some more funny stuff, some vandal wrote something about me pleasuring giraffes and violating goats. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:38, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

This one really made me laugh, he sneaked it in the middle. I wanted to write an edit summary when I reverted it, something like "Actually, I'm a dog person". Mark Arsten (talk) 17:42, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

• I saw one where a vandal copied pi to a million digits... shame that revision's been deleted Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:34, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

• Wow, that would have been pretty cool to see. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:35, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

• On a smaller wiki I used to edit (on-site wiki for a browser game), one vandal managed to replicate goatse using a jillion coloured table cells. It was truly an impressive feat. GRAPPLE X 23:37, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

• That is impressive, a shame he didn't use his considerable powers for good though. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:46, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

• This oldid houses the raw code, and I know I'm going to regret that. GRAPPLE X 23:50, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

• Wow, I wonder how long it took him to make that. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:52, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

• These vandals... Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:30, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

• So you guys are talking about those vandal? Don't you know the legendary vandal Grwap? He/She is a folkloric legend in all wikis in the net. --SupernovaExplosion ^Talk 00:51, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

• Yeah, between ED and our LTA page I've heard a bit about that guy. He liked writing HAGGAR if I recall correctly. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:53, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

• Yup. He's famous infamous. Contribs. --SupernovaExplosion ^Talk 00:58, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

• Look at our write up on him (contribs) Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:10, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

• Original account's contributions Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:15, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

• The most complete treatment of Grawp is at Encyclopedia dramatica http://encyclopediadramatica.se/Grawp, I think. Enter with care with care though, there some stuff on that site you probably don't want to see. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:18, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

• Not at work, certainly... Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:21, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

• Do the subpages created by him fall under deletion policy? --SupernovaExplosion ^Talk 01:23, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

• Not sure, interesting to see them though. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:30, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

• Can't think of an applicable policy. The first two look okay. Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:43, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

You've mail. --SupernovaExplosion ^Talk 03:37, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Your note

Hi Mark, thanks for your note. There are various reasons I'm not keen on reviewing that article, but I'll take a closer look and may change my mind (but if you don't hear more from me about it it means I won't be reviewing it). In the meantime, the way it's written up in the lead needs a tweak. The issue was not segregation of seating areas and servers for African American and female employees. Cheers, SlimVirgin ^(talk) 02:49, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Ok, well, your comments were helpful to me even if you don't post a review. BTW, good work on the Bradley Manning article. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:00, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Thank you! I saw you'd made an edit to fix a comma, but then I noticed the edit before yours added citation templates, so I reverted to the version before that one. I then tried to restore your comma, but I can't see it in the diff. So please feel free to re-add it, and I'm sorry for being a nuisance. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 04:28, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

No problem, always glad to help with commas :) Re-added it, commas like that are a lot of what I do at FAC these days. Mark Arsten (talk) 04:29, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

New feature

Saw this on Mathew's talk page... looks fun. Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:05, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

That is interesting, good to see what the WMF people are up to. Looks like that would be pretty helpful for newpage patrolling. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:12, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

• I bet. Don't know if it will be a gadget or standard though. Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:17, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

• BTW, wanna do another organisation article? SE would probably be interested. Ever hear of COYOTE? Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:38, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
  • Funny that you ask, I just watched a documentary about Wild Horse Adult Resort & Spa last week. Part of the legalized prostitution in Nevada, interesting subject. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:51, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
    • Hmm... if we "let down our defenses" in a bathtub, what happens in a jacuzzi? Shame if we tried to find out it would be OR... Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:01, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
      • lol, yeah, it probably would be. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:17, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
        • Never going to Nevada anyways. Unless somehow translators make good money (translating Un Soir du Paris, freelance) Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:23, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
          • Oh wow, that's pretty cool about the translation project, hope it works out well. I take it you're going Indonesian to English? I've heard that going from a language you've learned to your native language usually yields the best results. I went to Nevada with the family when I was 15 or so, didn't make it to any brothels though. BTW, Mitt Romney is at FAC right now--I admire the nominator's ambition, looks like it will be a long detailed review. The article itself is probably 12k words including footnotes. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:33, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
            • • That's a gauntlet indeed. I just went through Fauré, so I'm not up to another monster article yet. Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:37, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
                • Fauré must have been a good read, Tim is quite the writer. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:39, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
                  • I had like ten comments... for a 40k+ article, that is amazing. Speaking of good (or bad) writers... I'll be getting a new book on Chrisye in a couple of days. Expect me to be pestering you for a copyedit within two weeks. Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:35, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

                  A few more random things. 1740 Batavia massacre was just promoted, and on an unrelated note I sent you a translation of Un Soir du Paris via email. (SE, if you're interested feel free to email me) Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:55, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

                  • • Yeah, I reviewed an article of Brianboulton's last week, I was really digging to find anything to point out. It's great to see well written articles like that, but it somehow feels wrong to review an article without having anything to mention. Good to hear that you got a new book, I finally got the last book I need for the Jesse Washington article. I ordered a copy a month ago, but it got lost in the mail and I had to reorder. Thanks for sending over the translation, I'll check it out. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:47, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Editor's Barnstar
	For your valuable help in the Good Article promotion of the Pisco Sour article. MarshalN20 | Talk 00:49, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks, glad to help, that was pretty interesting. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:53, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Hey Mark

Your contributions to Wikipedia noticed @ Yahoo News: LINK (in a bar graph showing the monikers of the users with the most edits during the U.S. Pres. Primaries so far to the Wiki blp pertaining to a Republican party candidate).--Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 10:32, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Oh man, that is so funny. Thanks for pointing it out to me. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:47, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

A special gift

	for a special review
	Hi Mark, thanks a lot for the prose review (and persistent copyediting) at the recent (successful) FAC for 1740 Batavia massacre; second in a row, and I'm really glad we could bring this through. In thanks, I'm giving you a collectible kris. The blade is iron with gold leaf and it has a twin naga design. Hopefully you don't have one yet! Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:07, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

• Oh thanks, glad to hear that it was finally promoted. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:47, 6 May 2012 (UTC)