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Rajasthani language page

Hi Jeroenvrp, please do not change the page contents about Rajasthani language and its dialects. I am confident you do not know even the out of Rajasthnai language. Read Grierson and other linguists mentioned on the page. I hope you will not vandalize the contents gathered with a great difficulty. --Chepovsky (talk) 20:45, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Excuse me!? I did change it according Etnologue and included a valid source. How dare you to call it vandalism!? --Jeroenvrp (talk) 22:26, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Dear Editor: Rajasthani is a language and not a language cluster as per your editing. Ethnologue, a Christian group conducted material, though, a commendable job, is not supported as any field workert who is a a native linguist. Ethnologue is free to write what is likes but it cannot ignore the fact that G.A. Grierson was the linguist(1898-1924) who produceda separate volume(Vol VIII, Part II) titled "Rajasthani" wherein he says it is a language and not a cluster of languages or dialects. I do not know whether you are an authority(linguist) on Rajasthani language or not but, humbly I say, the material produced here by many on this page about Rajasthani language is in consonance with the long bibliography given on the same page. For the sake of clarity, I can definitely say, the Ethnolog still thinks in early twenties, at least about the status of Rajasthani language. I can say it because I have been working on this language and its dialects for more than two decades and also a native speaker of this language plus having masters and doctoral degrees in linguistics by working on this language and a teacher at Hopkins. My link is here: http://apps.sais-jhu.edu/faculty_bios/faculty_bio1.php?ID=283 If you have any questions about this language, I will be happy to answer them. But do not get swayed away by this religious-turned-libral-turned-socalled "authentic-academic" document. I, as a are the field linguist on this language and know the reality and do not think I have to learn from this "ethnologue" to classify and analyze my mother-tongue.Regards. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.145.193.209 (talk) 17:41, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

1. I am absolutely not a Christian, so I am not biased in this matter at all.

2. Ethnologue is a recognized source of linguistic information (also here on Wikipedia) and they update their information every year; so it's your POV to call Ethnologue using old methods from the twenties.

3. I told you to add the other theories you have found, including valid (up-to-date/recent) source .

4. I don't care if you say that you claim to be an expert on this subject, anyone can claim that. Please provide valid sources, like I did. Also remember that native Rajasthani experts (like most ethnic groups and nationalities) can be biased, because of political motifs, but that is my personal POV.

5. I revert you again and hopefully you follow my advise or I have to consult a sysop. --Jeroenvrp (talk) 17:59, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Kashmir region

What the heck are you trying to do dude?? You can't just change the name of a page without discussion on the talk page, especially a page that has been around for some time. I don't care what the UN says or doesn't say, "Jammu and Kashmir" is the name of a state in India, the reason why the name of the page was chosen to be "Kashmir region" was to clearly distinguish it from the Indian state. OK? Fowler&fowler«Talk» 07:26, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

No, the UN is the one who decides, not you, not Pakistan, not India. I gave the most reliable source. If you or someone else have a better source, be my guest. Jeroenvrp 10:43, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Apology

Hi Jeroenvrp, I am very sorry for being uncivil earlier—I got confused first, and then frustrated with the mess I created by trying to move the page back. I have replied to your post on the Kashmir region talk page. Regards, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 14:25, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Apologies accepted. I also like to give my apology to dive into the English Wikipedia like I normally do on the Dutch Wikipedia. There people know me very well, on this Wikipedia this not the case and properly will never be the case. --Jeroenvrp 15:31, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Disputed fair use rationale for Image:PlanetSMALL.JPG

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Totoli language

Hi Jereonvrp - I noticed the change you made to the Totoli language page concerning the link to the Joshua Project. I added that link only because of the information on the page, which is largely dedicated to Totoli and has no prostelyzing on it itself, except for a link. Isn't it only spam if the intention was to direct traffic to the webite for the benefit of the site owner? I know the Joshua Project is controversial, and I don't necessarily agree with what they do (in fact, I don't), but it is a resource. I'm going to go ahead and leave it the way it is because it doesn't add much. I just wanted to point out it is a valid resource link and not a link trying to sell or push something. Gelukkige uitgeven! (sorry for the mangled Dutch) Paxsimius (talk) 21:20, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Please see the discussion on Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Ethnic_groups#Blanking_of_links. --Jeroenvrp (talk) 22:14, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, after reading the discussion I still can't say I agree with it. It seems a little heavy-handed and completely disregards any good the resource may have only because of a disagreement with their overall goal. But I'm not going to get into any arguments here; agree to disagree? Paxsimius (talk) 04:33, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Agressive Christian Evangelistic Spam Link

With regard to your removal of the Joshua Project links in the ethnic groups, I contempled the same predicament when I put the links in. I didn't put the links in to spam the ethnic group articles. In fact, I felt very uncomfortable including them, except for the fact that they had a better head-count and descrtiption of the different ethnicities than anyone else out there, in fact way better then ethnalogue. I used the links to create the articles. Agreed, their motives are spammy. The sole reason they're compiling the data is so that they can "spam" the natives with their religeon. However, to put their data (which is the best around) in the articles without quoting them would be plagerism. Their data should be included because it is analagous to a "business record exception" to heresay in law. They counted and studied the population of Southeast Asia as a means to convert them to Christianity. Their figures are an unbiased, accurate description of the ethnic groups, because they took the data as accurately as possible so they could better convert them. I don't want them to succeed in their conversion, but their data, aside from original research by an editor, is about as accurate as it gets. If we knock out the references, we should at least put their name as a source, as the only two alternatives are to plagerise or to delete their data, which is by far, the best available.Kevin Borland, Esq. (talk) 07:32, 27 January 2008 (UTC) (agnostic)

Christian spamlinks?

Hi! Please visit my last edits in "Demographics" of Japan about Religions in Japan. Do you think it was Christian spamlinks? Thanks!

http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Talk:Japan#Christian_spamlinks

Angelo De La Paz (talk) 14:48, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

More Christian spamlink

Hi!

Let's see the last reverted version by 124.177.165.82. Should it be delete? Angelo De La Paz (talk) 19:12, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Why don't you judge it yourself? --Jeroenvrp (talk) 16:54, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

I think it's true Christian spamlink! But I think you have more rights to delete or keep it! Thank you so much!Angelo De La Paz (talk) 19:09, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't understand why I have more "rights" to delete or keep it. Can you please explain yourself further? --Jeroenvrp (talk) 00:43, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Usurpation

Thanks for letting me know, but only bureaucrats can handle renaming requests, unfortunately you'll have to wait for one to check the request. Sorry that I can't be of any more use! RichardΩ612 Ɣ ɸ 17:47, May 27, 2008 (UTC)

OK, I thought you were handling the request as a bureaucrat. I will wait. --Jeroenvrp (talk) 18:02, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

I've completed your request. Please recreate your global account as soon as possible. Regards — Dan | talk 01:24, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Circassians

Thanks for your changes to that article, but I was confused in the second bullet point where you said that the term Adyghe refers to "inhabitants of Circassia, including Cherkes, Shapsugs and Kabardin." Britannica for example seems to make a distinction between the Adyghe and Kabardin. You might want to also check out the discussion at Talk:Circassians#Merge with Cherkes. Khoikhoi 04:38, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, there is indeed an distinction between the Adyghe (Adyghe proper and Cherkes) and the Kabardin. On the other hand there is a distinction between Adyghe proper and Shapsugs vs Cherkes and Kabardin. But I think that how the term Adyche is used should be mentioned in the Adyghe article, and not in the Circassians article. Or else the whole confusing and overlapping situation gets even more confused :-). If you can read Dutch I made it even more clear over there. --Jeroen (talk) 12:33, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Ah, ok. I'll get back to you on this one. But in the meantime I'll try to find some sources. Ciao, Khoikhoi 09:41, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Great. In the meantime I added some sources yesterday to the Dutch language articles nl:Circassiërs and nl:Adyghe (volk). --Jeroen (talk) 12:39, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Fethullah Gülen

Jeroen,

We'd appreciate your assistance in cleaning up this article, once again. You should find the atmosphere more conducive of collaboration with the ejection of a vandal. --Adoniscik^{(t, c)} 14:36, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't know if I have enough time, but I will take a look when I have it. You must understand that the English Wikipedia is a side project for me. I'm 95% of my time busy with the Dutch language Wikipedia, were I'm also a sysop. --Jeroen (talk) 14:45, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, anyway. Groetjes. --Adoniscik^{(t, c)} 14:48, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Koppen talk page

There is a debate on the Koppen talk page about whether to use 0C or -3C coldest month average as the c/d borderline. Just letting you know. Press olive, win oil (talk) 22:18, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

POV

I suggest you stop your nationalist rants no other mountains in Indian administered Kashmir have a note about disputed or administered and neither will K2 I will keep an eye on your POV rants on k2 as for geography of india no governmental claims are allowed wake up !!! Forzacry65 (talk) 11:49, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

There is also a footnote of the location so please stop your Indian vandalism on K2 Forzacry65 (talk) 11:54, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

[1] This is the note now get lost Forzacry65 (talk) 11:55, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

I am waiting for your response? why push your PRO Indian POV while there is a note stating the location and dispute ?Forzacry65 (talk) 11:59, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

(after edit conflict): You are probably a sock puppet. Anyway, it's also on Britannica and it is a fact, also used by the UN or any other international organization. Kashmir is disputed and that part is "administered" by Pakistan. Again that is a fact. Also I am not a nationalist idiot at all, on the contrary. :-) I'm not Indian, not pro-India, nor anti-Pakistan. I'm pro-Human and pro-Facts. Probably you are a "nationalist idiot". Good luck with it, --Jeroen (talk) 12:01, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

You are Indian lol why hide it and your a nationalist one so get a grip and stop vandalising K2 peace Forzacry65 (talk) 12:02, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

edit conflict sock? I just started editing today because of the trash some Indian users spew on Pakistani mountains yet when some one calls Indian mountains administered Indians remove it Forzacry65 (talk) 12:04, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

"No, the UN is the one who decides, not you, not Pakistan, not India. I gave the most reliable source. If you or someone else have a better source, be my guest. Jeroenvrp 10:43, 23 May 2007 (UTC)" Yes the UN decides India does not straight from the horses mouth ;-) Forzacry65 (talk) 12:05, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Indeed the UN decides. And the UN said it's a disputed region and that part is administered by Pakistan. 100% Factual and stop making false accusations. Actually Britannica is saying exactly the same, so stop with your Pakistani POV and let neutral people handle the facts. --Jeroen (talk) 12:09, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

I know your a Indian look at your edit history lol your not fooling me nationalist troll stop adding Indian pov to pakistani articles keep to Indian ones if you cant keep your Hindustani nationalism out of wikipedia Forzacry65 (talk) 12:12, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

There is also a note stating LOC location so again im telling you to stop im going to make sure your Indian POV doesnt come in to K2 page have a nice day Forzacry65 (talk) 12:13, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

That note has nothing to do with the word "administered". It's just encyclopedic and NPOV. Stop being stupid. If this is really your first time on Wikipedia, you have a lot to learn. --Jeroen (talk) 12:17, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Its is POV actually look at other talk pages e.g. Jammu and kashmir it is agreed that the term is POV I know your Indian and I know nationalists liek you create accounts to push pro Indian pov I assure you that your POV will not stay in K2 Forzacry65 (talk) 12:20, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

LOL --Jeroen (talk) 12:22, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes its funny your hiding the fact your a Indian pov warrior really LOL actually Forzacry65 (talk) 12:23, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Indian dutch

http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Visakhapatnam Whats a Dutch doing on all these Indian states? and no Netherlands is not an Indian state but I bet you hope it was Forzacry65 (talk) 12:27, 5 August 2009 (UTC)