User:Smallbones/Archive 4

archive - mostly 2014

Discussion you might be interested in

This RfC about allowing role accounts may be of interest to you (there is also a discussion included about handling representatives of companies that you might be interested in). -- Atama頭 22:54, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Eugene Dorflinger Estate

Thanks for taking responsibility for a picture. I could not decide on which could be representative. Agathoclea (talk) 08:52, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Feel free to pick a different one. You know the site better than I do. I couldn't see how the commons link works until the pic was added. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 14:12, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

OER inquiry

Hi Smallbones, I'm sending you this message because you're one of about 300 users who have recently edited an article in the umbrella category of open educational resources (OER) (or open education). In evaluating several projects we've been working on (e.g. the WIKISOO course and WikiProject Open), my colleague Pete Forsyth and I have wondered who chooses to edit OER-related articles and why. Regardless of whether you've taken the WIKISOO course yourself - and/or never even heard the term OER before - we'd be extremely grateful for your participation in this brief, anonymous survey before 27 April. No personal data is being collected. If you have any ideas or questions, please get in touch. My talk page awaits. Thanks for your support! - Sara FB (talk) 20:49, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Rossetti's Pandora

You might find this of interest. Rossetti's oil of Pandora will go up for auction on 22 May and should set a record for his work. I'm still wrestling with a broken arm, so I may not be able to create an article - though that's still a couple of weeks away, so we'll see. I did grab the image for Commons. I'm still typing one-handed so far. :-) - PKM (talk) 02:24, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Oh yes! Thanks for this. There's plenty of material for my usual formula, e.g. British newspapers, the Sothby video, a V&A photo, the usual. But you'll have to breathe some life into it - perhaps the timing fits with the Rossetti-Morris story? Smallbones_(smalltalk) 11:52, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

We could probably use Water Willow (Rossetti) as a template to get it started ... But yes, lots of material, and there should be more news coverage once the sale happens... I'd love to tag-team on this. I'll see if my big Rossetti book has any good tidbits. - PKM (talk) 20:34, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

outline looks good!- PKM (talk) 18:28, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Sotheby's site suggest that Pandora didn't sell ... - PKM (talk) 18:14, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Hypocrite

Mr 2001 has been told to stay off my talk page (with one exception - he didn't meet the conditions of that exception). I will remove any of his posts to this page. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 14:10, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

An editor who was banned for running a paid editing service, and then comes back to Wikipedia to attack paid editors, is in no position to call anyone a hypocrite. As a matter of fact, that's precisely the problem that I have with your Jimbo talk page and Wikiopediocracy posts: they reek of hypocrisy. You do realize that, I hope? Coretheapple (talk) 13:47, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Thekohser/Archive#04_January_2014, "Currently, Jimmy Wales believes that "Hell might be other people" is "Mr. 2001", which he (correctly) believes is me." and Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/MyWikiBiz#16_May_2014. Coretheapple (talk) 20:39, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

FTC2

In the past I had been submitting complaints to the Attorney Generals in CA and NY, who are active on the issue. It sounded like you were filing them directly with the FTC and I was wondering if you knew a better place. I usually only report really overt cases - stuff like censoring properly sourced material. CorporateM (Talk) 19:43, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

I haven't filed any formal complaints about paid editors anywhere off wiki, but do recognize that anybody who wishes to file a complaint has the right to do so. I may do so in the future. I don't think that the WMF or the community have any interest in preventing folks from filing formal complaints. WP:No legal threats might be interpreted as discouraging formal complaints, but I think the obvious reading of that is that you simply should not threaten anybody on-wiki or off- with the fact that you are contemplating a legal complaint. Rather, just do it without telling anybody except the FTC or other enforcement agency about it. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 20:43, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

I think the idea behind no legal threats is to prevent bullying and in that regard only the clearest cases of bad-faith should be taken that route. However, I do ponder if such complaints are a black-hole or not. CorporateM (Talk) 03:45, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

CorporateM, who on their own page is quite open about their COI has whitewashed the Banc de Binary page, when it had consensus from several editors. Would it be possible to revert the page back to how it was yesterday when BlackKite lifted protection? User JohnNagle has already suggested it and I wanted to ask you as I am a newbie and haven't figured out how to do itHistorianofRecenttimes (talk) 19:15, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Okteriel's edits

What are you doing with them? The community should confirm he is in fact a banned editor before ypu go around deleting his comments. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 21:00, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

When it is so obvious, you don't need to wait for what would be a very long procedure. I delete his edits, e.g. at User talk:Jimbo Wales all the time. Of course if he want to contest that he is a banned editor, he is free to do so. But in this case, in his response to my questions, it was very obvious who he is. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 21:36, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Umm... it looks like they have a disclosed COI[1], but I have my doubts they are the same person. CorporateM (Talk) 03:57, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Corporate WIRs

It is unlikely to work, but perhaps I am not thinking boldly enough. However, in my view, the role of a WIR is to improve articles, not police them. So imagine if 5 of the participating agencies each paid a fee to sponsor an independent editor. If any of their clients want their page improved, they can opt-in to have this sponsored editor write their article independently and without their input. If they find errors or other problems, they can go through the usual process for any refinements. If corporations could let loose of their corporate approval process and it has WIRs with a high degree of integrity, it could work, but those are two very high obstacles. CorporateM (Talk) 16:28, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

I wasn't talking about anything like that and would oppose it. Policing is not exactly what I had in mind, perhaps "Community watch coordinator", but if the WiR name doesn't fit here, just come up with another name. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 21:32, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Putin khuilo!

File:Deputati UDAR.jpg

Ukrainian deputy in a T-shirt with the words "Putin khuilo!"

. Please post on the page.--78.108.83.124 (talk) 13:40, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

question

about this dif. as far as I can tell, the document as it stands, at WP:COI, currently contains the WMF ToU and the enWP guideline. Also far as I can tell, the WMF ToU are also Wikipedia policy as per Wikipedia:Terms of use. So the document as it stands at WP:COI contains both policy and guideline. So.. I don't understand your edit note in the above dif, which says "(Everybody now knows this is a guideline, not a policy. No more discussion on it". Tparis has been less careful and less patient than I would have him be, but as near as I can tell, he is saying that a) yep the WMF have jammed policy down our throats but they clearly described a a way to overrule it; 2) the deep, good essence of Wikipedia is that it is a radical democracy and the community should be heard, as to whether to it accepts the ToU or rejects them. 3) on an even deeper level, if enWP does not embrace the ToU as policy it is very unlikely to ever be treated like policy on enWP - it is likely to just be ignored. I thought #3 was pretty profound. Like Lex orandi, lex credendi or the wisdom underlying "do what i say, not what i do". It is what we do, not what we say, that really matters, and an RfC to confirm (or deny) the ToU would certainly help it become the living, praxis-ed conensus, as well as the letter policy. i hope that makes sense. but i don't understand on a simple, factual level, how your edit note is true. Jytdog (talk) 06:29, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

WP:COI has been a guideline forever. There are means to make a guideline into a policy, but nobody has done that. Are we in agreement here?
The terms of use are policy. Guidelines are allowed to quote policy, but if a guideline quotes policy that doesn't mean that the guideline becomes a policy - just that the policy is a policy and the rest of the guideline is still a guideline. Are we in agreement here?
If you agree with the 2 points above, you agree with what I meant in the edit summary. Perhaps I wasn't as clear as I could have been, but there is no dispute about whether WP:COI is a guideline. There is a dispute about whether that silly box should be used anywhere, as noted on the box itself. And there has not been any discussion for some time on whether WP:COI is a policy.
As far as the WMF jamming down our throats the ToU changes - you have to remember the RfC at Meta where 1,100 editors (80% of the total participants) supported the new ToU. If anybody wants to make a technical distinction between meta and Wikipedia, and say that an RfC on Wikipedia with 100 participants can over-ride the ToU, then I'd suspect they are trying to force paid editing down the the throats of the community.
I definitely support having a well-publicized RfC that would allow the Wikipedia to confirm, weaken, or strengthen the policy on paid editing. I think that would be wonderful, and would show paid editors and reluctant admins what the community really thinks. I've proposed that at WT:COI. But a quicky RfC with a 100 participants would be an insult to the community and to the 1,100 editors from the Meta RfC who supported the ToU change.
What to do if admins refuse to enforce the new policy? I'm sure you understand that the undisclosed advertising that the policy is aimed at is both illegal and unethical. If admins don't enforce the rules and thus help to enforce the law, what should a Wikipedian do? Well, the best solution is certainly that the community enforces policy, but if the admins don't I'd guess that the WMF will, and if they don't it's every man for himself (or every woman as the case may be) which I don't think would be pleasant for anybody. I have no doubt that the law will eventually (and perhaps only sporadically) be enforced. Better if the WMF enforces it, best if admins enforce it. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 13:36, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

"WP:COI is policy" is a TParis hobbyhorse with absolutely zero support from anyone else, and I don't think it has anything to do with the "disputed" tag. I was going to remove it myself, as it was put there because of edit warring by a small number of editors and should not have been deployed in the first place. Coretheapple (talk) 13:58, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

I hear you on that Core. Thanks for replying smallbones; i hear you and i do agree with points one and two. i just didn't understand your edit note and suspected that it was written hastily. Jytdog (talk) 14:32, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Eh, it might have been a little off-point but at least it was accurate. I am astonished by the amount of sheer bullhockey that seems to be floating around the discussion of the TOU. "WP:COI is policy" is one. The other, which I see Smallbones just responded to, was that he "changed the policy." If this TOU issue or related behavior issues ever goes up to arbcom, I am quite certain that factual misrepresentations are not going to go over well. Coretheapple (talk) 14:41, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

No, actually I was mistaken. Smallbones' edit summary in fact was correct. He was referring to the language of the tag, which indicates that it is to be used only in a specific situation. Coretheapple (talk) 03:53, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Happy Fourth!

Greetings Smallbones: I hope all is well with you as the 4th approaches. Wishing you and yours a safe holiday and many more marvelous photographs from you! Ellin Beltz (talk)

Somebody has edited what you wrote without any credible reason (see the WP page on Marx and Religion)

Dear Smallbones, I think your analysis on Karl Marx is more relevant than the edits that were later done to your inputs. Please look into the matter yourself. I could not help myself but revert the present version to YOUR original edit. I feel there is a POV problem in the current content. Your input that Marx's view on religion was ambivalent is correct, accurate, and impartial. I want your version to be maintained. Hope you would cooperate and check to see what is happening on the page. Arghyan Opinions (talk) 06:42, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Wrong ID

Education in PDRK is not a Kohs troll. Be careful with your IDs. It is a troll, mind you, probably originating from Australia, if you catch my drift. —Tim /// Carrite (talk) 04:38, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

COIN

Hi Smallbones, would you please comment on this? Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 21:21, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

GMAT Page Concerns

Hi there,

Not sure if this is the correct place to chat with you about the GMAT page but I just wanted to reach out to discuss what's going on over there. I joined wikipedia because I looked at the GMAT page and saw that it was chock full of advertising and opinion. The page needs a ton of work which hopefully I'll be able to support in a positive way. I have been deleting what seems to me is at best unsubstantiated opinion. But really it just looks like advertising. If you look at all of my edits there is no attempt to advertise anything. I do not work for GMAC. That's completely ridiculous. I'm not paid to edit anything. I'm not using wikipedia to promote anything. Again - I think that if you look at my edits you'll see that.

It looks to me that there are people editing the page for the benefit of certain test prep companies. You can see in the citations that there are a few companies that keep returning. Why? No clue. But it seems strange to me.

Also - the moment that I deleted one of TDJankins posts which promoted some test prep companies he sent me what I would consider a subtle threat:

Welcome to Wikipedia. You have recently twice deleted the preparations section from the GMAT page. Continued destructive edits may result in you being blocked or banned.--TDJankins (talk) 18:37, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Maybe TDJankins isn't shilling for these companies. I don't know what this person's motivations are. There are certainly other people working on the GMAT page that feel the same way that I do about TDJankins additions. I'm happy to go with the consensus. It would certainly be nice to work together to create a spam free and informative GMAT page.

I'm completely new to wikipedia. I'd would be happy to be a positive contributor. Please advise on how to move forward. Deleteasaur (talk) 18:43, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi,

Sorry to bother you again about this but I'm not really sure how to handle working on the GMAT page. I'm trying to delete blogs/test prep advertising but every time that I get rid of stuff the same people keep putting it back namely TDjankins. I've put all of my concerns on the talk page and it seems that most people (the few that are participating) seem to agree that the advertisements are an issue. Any advice would be helpful. Thanks in advance! Deleteasaur (talk) 23:03, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Request for Comment: Evaluation portal redesign preview

Dear Smallbones - The Learning & Evaluation team at the WMF is currently redesigning the Evaluation portal! Before we take the next steps in the redesign process, we'd really like to hear your thoughts and feedback about the new design. You have been involved in evaluation portal over the last year and can help us design an improved site.

When you have a moment, please visit the link below for screenshots and more information. We'd really like to hear your feedback by July 21 07:00 UTC so we can incorporate your ideas or comments into the design process.

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Evaluation/Boiler_room/Portal_Redesign_Plan/Community_feedback

Thank you so much! --EGalvez (WMF) (talk) 20:13, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Hey Smallbones! Just wanted to remind you that we'd really appreciate any feedback on this by Monday July 21 7:00UTC. Thanks so much! --EGalvez (WMF) (talk) 23:05, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Reversions

Hi SB, just wondering why you are reverting the sourced content I added (my IP address changes up sometimes as I use a mobile device). Looking forward to hearing from you. 24.114.42.81 (talk) 04:40, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, and a snippet

Thanks for your advice. Also, I stole some stuff from your'n user page. Further, I am delighted to see that you are a Roughing It fan, as it is one of my all-time favorites; it has seen me through many a stormy day in my own travels. Fourth, here's a snippet:

In those days miners would flock in crowds to catch a glimpse of that rare and blessed spectacle, a woman! ~ Mark Twain

Sometimes, I think a 19th century mining camp would be a more civil place than many parts of Wikipedia. ;-) Lightbreather (talk) 15:59, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Invitation

We invite you to join Gender Gap task force. There you can coordinate with users who are trying to identify gender bias on Wikipedia (including gender bias in articles, in editor interactions, policies and implementation of policies) and take steps to counter it. If you would like to get involved, just visit the Gender Gap task force. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me or other members of the task force. Happy editing, Lightbreather (talk) 18:52, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

SEPTA trolley photo query

You clearly know the Philadelphia area better than I do, but I'd like to take a wild guess about one photo;

DanTD, I can't remember ever being very close to the carhouse, so this is just a guess. But I did take a tour around Google Streetview and Flickr. Belgians don't know the difference between South Philly and SW Philly. He did take photos from the train in north philly, likely Amtrak. And he must have had a fairly long stop over at 30th St. Station (just renamed BTW). Then he went south by train (to DC?), passing over the overpass on Island Avenue, right by the carhouse. Note that this photo is taken from above the level of the fence. About the only thing that Streetview shows from near the overpass (with a much lower view) is a concrete wall, that might be the wall in the photo. As I said, just a guess. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 12:58, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Hey S-bones. Being a Belgian-American I'm just curious about the mention of "Belgians don't know the difference between...." Are there alot of Belgians in Philly? ```Buster Seven Talk 23:56, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, it was a cheap shot. Nobody knows the difference between SW and South Philly, except some in SP and most in the smaller SW Philly. The photog in this case was traveling through from Belgium (from his Flickr pix). There aren't a lot of Belgians anywhere are there? :p) Maybe in Brussels? There were 2 Belgians in my PhD program (out of 5). Smallbones_(smalltalk) 00:13, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

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Klots pic of Schoellkopf

Hi --- thanks for adding pic and keeping Niagara County 100%!--Pubdog (talk) 22:47, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/File:SCHOELLKOPF_POWER_STATION_NO._3_SITE,_NIAGARA_COUNTY,_NY.jpg

You stop, I'll stop

Smallbones, here's my ask -- you stop censoring my content on Jimbo's Talk page, and I'll stop asking you to stop doing that on your Talk page. Remember, Jimbo's speech at Wikimania said that civility needs to be our focus now. I'm asking you very, very nicely to just let Jimbo answer my questions, without you interfering. Thank you, and happy editing! - The Rewarder (talk) 20:03, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Why don't you just follow the rules on Wikipedia? Since you are banned, that means staying off Wikipedia entirely. Why do you think you don't need to follow any of the rules here? Do you think you are better than other people? You are not. If you want to communicate with Jimbo, send him an e-mail. If you want to grandstand or advertise your business, go get your own site. That's right, you do have your own site, but nobody listens to you. Too bad.

As I've said repeatedly, stay off my talkpage. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 20:13, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

We already threw down at this rodeo before, sport, you really want to have a go again? I reverted you 25 times in 24 hours and no one lifted a finger. This time, I can easily just re-post this user's comment/question as my own (with attribution, for the GFDL hawks) and you'll be stopped in your tracks, so either way, you aren't going to win. Stop white-knighting for Jimbo, he's a big boy. Tarc (talk) 20:18, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Actually Tarc you were lucky and several people noted it you didn't get a bloc and so was smallbones. The fact that you will repost on the behalf of a banned user means nothing and I will revert that attempt as well. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 20:20, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

I am perfectly free and able to post a question or comment on someone else's behalf. If you think you have the balls to remove something I post under my own name, then come at me bro. Tarc (talk) 20:24, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

It doesn't take balls to enforce policy, if you want to break it then that's up to you. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 20:26, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

It is now my post and my question to Jimbo, as I find issues of paid editing to be rather important these days. If you don't like it, then you can cheerfully go to the 1st word of your wiki-handle. Tarc (talk) 20:36, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Arbcom

[[2]] Hell in a Bucket (talk) 18:19, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

CRGIS question

Yes, I know that you've got the Apple, but I vaguely remember you saying something in the past about being able to use IE to access CRGIS.

Now that I'm somewhat settled in in Beaver Falls, I took a trip today, visiting all Armstrong County sites that I'd not personally visited before, along with a few in northern Westmoreland County (you'll see photos coming for them, once I finish organising photos from three other trips). Among these was the Colwell Cut Viaduct, which looks like any other concrete beam bridge, thus making me doubt that it's the concrete spandrel arch with modified parapets and deck that the nomination describes. The viaduct is profoundly different from what's described, and I wanted to check the map form of CRGIS to see if the current bridge had an entry (I wonder whether they treat it as a new bridge or as a severe modification of the original). Unfortunately, all day long I've been getting a 404 error at the login page (it's bookmarked, and the bookmark has worked fine in the past, so it's not a typo by me), so I was curious if you knew of any other way to access information through CRGIS, e.g. if they had some sort of file naming convention for their images and other files. Nyttend (talk) 06:23, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Nyttend CRGIS is a difficult website, to say the least.

First the good news:

they do update it little by little (sometimes making it bit better)
I can now use my mac, and don't have to mess with an unsupported 2002 IE browser
I just googled CRGIS and got the link http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt/community/crgis/3802/user_login/418433

which told me they have a new login page https://www.dot7.state.pa.us/ce where you just click the green button to go to https://www.dot7.state.pa.us/ce/main.htm then click the "Ask Regis" button to get to where I usually want to go, then search for Armstrong County "Historic Name" sounds like (I put cut), add to query, then click search button at the bottom. A new browser will appear with 2 links in this case- one to the pdf you have, the other to the photo you want.

It's getting easier all the time

Now the bad news

the link to the photo doesn't work (but I think it must be to the photo you uploaded for the article, since there is just one pic listed)
I've never messed with their map overlays (the real GIS stuff) since they look too complicated and require a registration process.

I'll ping @Pubdog: - he's the expert on this site - I give up on it for months at a time. But last I heard from him, you can't link to the photo urls there.

BTW - you probably have the 3,000th PA NRHP site photo (upload 2 real quick!), only about 300 to go. I'll be getting away for one of my very rare photo trips over the holiday (Franklin, Huntingdon, and Centre Cos), but rain is predicted.

Happy holiday and all the best.

Smallbones_(smalltalk) 02:50, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Only now getting around to working with these images — I had a pile of photos from a four-days-before trip of moving to PA and a two-days-before trip to Youngstown OH, and an unplanned trip to southern Ohio for a family funeral. Next, expect a lot of new photos in southeastern Ohio, Cabell County, West Virginia, and Greenup County, Kentucky (going west) and metro Cleveland (coming east). Thank you for the reminders on CRGIS use, which I need because I've really not paid much attention to PA matters for a good while. Nyttend (talk) 21:48, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Announcing: NRHP Fall Photo Contest!

The WP:NRHP Fall 2014 Photo Contest will kick off at midnight eastern time on Monday September 1! This is an opportunity for all folks with a camera (or a sketchpad and scanner, doncha know) and an interest in the National Register of Historic Places to just have some low-key fun and maybe get some barnstars. Come submit some photos or pose a challenge to your fellow editors. And maybe, just maybe, along the line we'll improve the encyclopedia... (Note that while this contest is intentionally concurrent with Wiki Loves Monuments 2014 and the Wikipedia Summer of Monuments, there ain't gonna be no cash prizes or press releases here. But compete in 'em all if you like - we won't be jealous.) — Ipoellet (talk) 22:55, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

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Harrisburg

You spoke some time recently of making a trip farther west, perhaps to State College or something like that. Have you uploaded everything from that? I took a long day trip yesterday to Harrisburg (left at 5AM, got back at 1:30AM!) and will be able to upload photos of a bunch of previously unphotographed sites, including several in Dauphin and Centre Counties; we might as well figure out what each other's got if you've not yet uploaded some. Nyttend (talk) 11:43, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

No problem. It will be a good while before I get anything uploaded — I haven't finished organising, let alone uploading, photos from a Labor Day weekend trip in Ohio. However, when I get the chance later today, I'll give you a list of unillustrated places that I photographed yesterday, so that you can skip those if you're only interested in photographing the unillustrated spots. I ultimately got something around 90 different sites (most already illustrated) in Indiana, Cambria, Blair, Centre, Mifflin, Juniata, Perry, Dauphin, York, and Cumberland counties. Nyttend backup (talk) 13:39, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Extended content

Westmoreland: New Alexandria RPC
Indiana: Blairsville Armory
Indiana: Blairsville downtown group, including former United Presbyterian church
Indiana: Blairsville St Peter's ECUSA
Cambria: Ebensburg Cambria County Jail
Cambria: Ebensburg A.W. Buck House
Cambria: Ebensburg Cambria County Coutyhouse
Cambria: Ebensburg Philip Noon House
Cambria: Cresson Township: B.F. Jones Cottage
Cambria: C County section of the Allegheny Portage Railroad NHS
Blair: B County section of the Allegheny Portage Railroad NHS
Blair: Hollidaysburg HD (all on Allegheny)
Blair: Hollidaysburg, Blair County Courthouse
Blair: Hollidaysburg, Highland Hall
Blair: Logan T., Altoona Armory
Blair: Altoona, Llyswen HD
Blair: Altoona, Knickerbocker HD (first group of photos at Fifth Avenue and Fortieth Street; second group by the HABS-photographed building)
Blair: Altoona, Baker Mansion
Blair: Altoona, Allegheny Furnace
Blair: Altoona, Broad Avenue HD
Blair: Altoona, cathedral (in the downtown HD?)
Blair: Altoona, post office in the downtown HD
Blair: Altoona, Central Trust Company Buildings
Blair: Altoona, downtown HD
Blair: Altoona, Penn Alto Hotel
Blair: Altoona, downtown HD
Blair: Altoona, Mishler Theater
Blair: Altoona, downtown HD
Blair: Altoona, DS Keith Jr HS
Blair: Altoona, JL Noble School (gone)
Blair: Tyrone Armory
Blair: Tyrone Borough HD
Centre: State College, College Heights HD
wrong spot; delete the image
Centre: State College, Ag Hill Complex
Centre: State College, Farmers High School
Centre: State College, Holmes-Foster-Highlands HD
Centre: State College, Camelot
Centre: State College, Holmes-Foster-Highlands HD
Centre: College Township, General John Thompson House
Centre: State College, Centre Furnace Mansion House
Centre: College Township, Houserville Site
Centre: College Township, Tudek Site (option 1)
Centre: College Township, Tudek Site (option 2)
Centre: College Township, Lemont HD
Centre: College Township, Felix Dalte Stone House
Centre: College Township, Oak Hall HD
Centre: Harris Township, Boalsburg HD
Mifflin: Lewistown, Embassy Theater
Mifflin: Lewistown, Mifflin County Courthouse
Mifflin: Lewistown, Montgomery Ward Building
Mifflin: Lewistown, Wollner Building
Mifflin: Lewistown, McCoy House
Mifflin: Derry Township, Old Stone Arch Bridge
Juniata: Mifflintown, courthouse
Juniata: Beale Township, Tuscarora Academy
Juniata: Beale Township, Book Site
Juniata: Academia Pomeroy Covered Bridge
Juniata: Lehman's Port Royal Covered Bridge
Perry: Oliver Township, Fleisher Covered Bridge
Perry: Newport HD
Perry: Bridge in Newport Borough
Perry: Newport HD
Perry and Dauphin: Rockville Bridge
Dauphin: Fort Hunter Mansion (NR listed as the Archibald McAllister House)
Dauphin: Harrisburg, Polyclinic Hospital
Dauphin: Harrisburg, Camp Curtin Fire Station
Dauphin: Harrisburg, Camp Curtin Methodist Church
Dauphin: Harrisburg, Old Uptown HD
Dauphin: Harrisburg, Simon Cameron School
Dauphin: Harrisburg, Sheffield Apartments
Dauphin: Harrisburg, William Donaldson House
Dauphin: Harrisburg, Military Post
Dauphin: Harrisburg, Cemetery
Dauphin: Harrisburg, Mount Pleasant HD
Dauphin: Harrisburg, 19th Street Armory
Dauphin: Steelton HS
York: Fairview Township, Ashton Hursh House
Cumberland/York: Etters Bridge
Cumberland: Wormleysburg, John Wormley House
wrong spot; delete the image
Dauphin: Harrisburg, state capitol
Dauphin: Harrisburg Railroad Station
Dauphin: Harrisburg, William Seel Building
Dauphin: Harrisburg, Kunkel Building
Dauphin: Harrisburg, Colonial Theater
Dauphin: Harrisburg, Keystone Building
Dauphin: Harrisburg, Old Downtown HD
Dauphin: Harrisburg, Salem UCC
Dauphin: Harrisburg, John Harris Mansion
Dauphin: Harrisburg, Market Street Bridge
Dauphin: Harrisburg, Dauphin County Courthouse
Dauphin: Harrisburg, Walnut Street Bridge
Dauphin: Harrisburg, William R. Griffith House
Dauphin: Harrisburg HD
Dauphin: Harrisburg, State Capitol
Dauphin: Harrisburg Technical High School
Dauphin: Harrisburg, Soldiers and Sailors Memorial Bridge
Dauphin: Harrisburg, Harris Switch Tower, Pennsylvania Railroad
Dauphin: Harrisburg, Broad Street Market
Dauphin: Harrisburg, Midtown HD
Dauphin: Harrisburg, German Evangelical Zion Lutheran Church
Dauphin: Harrisburg, William Penn Memorial Museum etc
Cumberland: Mechanicsburg, Irving Female College
Cumberland: Mechanicsburg Commercial HD
Cumberland: Mechanicsburg, Cumberland Valley Railroad Station and Master's House
Cumberland: Mechanicsburg, around the Adam Orris House (it looks like it could be a residential HD)
Cumberland: Mechanicsburg, Adam Orris House
Cumberland: Mechanicsburg, Simpson Street School

Sorry for the delay, but I've just now finished typing up everything from my checklist. Here's the whole checklist, including the oops-wrong-spot incidents and the numerous sites that are already photographed. Most locations are NR-listed, although a few aren't. Nyttend (talk) 00:41, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Banning Policy closed

An arbitration case with regards to the Banning Policy, has now closed and the final decision is available at the link above. The following remedies have been enacted:

For actions discussed within this case, as well as past history of disruption for which he has been sanctioned, Tarc (talk · contribs) is subject to an indefinite editing restriction. Tarc may not edit any administrative noticeboards, nor User talk:Jimbo Wales, aside from the normal exceptions.

Tarc (talk · contribs) is prohibited from reinstating edits or comments that were made or apparently made by a banned user and were reverted for that reason by another editor, regardless of any exception to the applicable policy that might otherwise apply. He is also admonished for disrupting Wikipedia to make a point, particularly since he continued even after the disruption was apparent. Tarc is warned that he is likely to be blocked for a long time and/or banned from the project, without further warning, if he does this sort of thing again.

Smallbones (talk · contribs) is warned to refrain from edit warring and needlessly inflammatory rhetoric in the future. Further instances of similar misconduct may result in serious sanctions.

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For the Arbitration Committee, → Call me Hahc21 17:38, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Discuss this

Opinion needed

If you were to spend just a few hours in Philadelphia, visiting historic sites, where would you go? I'm planning a trip for next weekend: Saturday I want to head east (leaving before dawn) and get a good representative sample of photos in the city, and Sunday get early-morning and then afternoon photos before and after church on Lawrence Road in Broomall, before I begin the trip all the way back west. What part(s) of the city would you recommend for Saturday afternoon? I'm not planning on going into any museums; I expect to go to Gloucester County so that I can get a few NJ photos; and I'm staying with relatives in Wilmington DE on Saturday night. Nyttend (talk) 04:50, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for the recommendations! I'll indeed look for your email. Since you recommend some Center City sites, I'm left wondering: what is parking like on Saturday afternoons? I'm familiar with downtown-area Saturday parking in places such as Louisville, Cincinnati, and St Louis, but parking is a big reason I never visited downtown Chicago, and I would much prefer to understand Center City Philadelphia parking before I get there. Nyttend (talk) 11:56, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Responded to your email. Immediately after sending it, I thought of one other question — is downtown Camden safe? The heavy concentration of sites on Market and Cooper is tempting (especially because it's so close to Center City, not requiring a detour like the Gloucester County sites would), and looking around on Street View, I got the impression that downtown wasn't too bad, but I don't want to find out by accident that I've misunderstood. Nyttend (talk) 15:19, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Hello Smallbones from the PHS

Hi Peter,

This is Dave rom the Presbyterian Historical Society. We seem to be moving faster than I thought. We are interested in having a volunteer come in and do some scanning of materials that could be uploaded to wikimedia. Please get back to me when you can.

thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dkoch76 (talk • contribs) 14:12, 16 October 2014 (UTC) --Dkoch76 (talk) 14:15, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

User:Smallbones/phm list

I was over in Fern Cliffe today for work, and while leaving I observed a nice little plaque by the entrance marking it as a PHS landmark, including "#299" in sync with the list you're using. Forgot to mention, as well, that I got a photo on Monday at Middle Octorara, site #122 in Carlisle Presbytery. Nyttend (talk) 01:46, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Today's a rare sunny day, so I hit two of the remaining three Beaver-Butler sites. Zelienople will have to wait (but I know where it is; I've driven past it several times), but I'll try to get it and New Castle (Shenango Presbytery) in the near future. Nyttend (talk) 21:38, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

W PA

Thanks for your comments.

The down side is nrhp photo taking in PA is now becoming a major expedition rather than a casual trip. And I can hear eyes rolling from the passenger side of the car when I pull up to an empty grass lot - even if there are steps and a piece of sidewalk that match the 40 year old nom form photo! Joy! Generic1139 (talk) 14:21, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Illustrations for PA municipalities

If you have time, I'd appreciate your help with a project that I've just created at User:Nyttend/Pennsylvania, with a goal of illustrating every Pennsylvania municipality. I'm not asking for photo-taking assistance (although of course it's certainly welcome) but for article-checking; if you want to help, just check articles to see whether they already have photos, and for bonus points, find already-onwiki photos for unillustrated municipalities. Thanks! Nyttend (talk) 03:51, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! Not knowing much about most parts of the state, I'm starting just by figuring out what's already in articles; I'm going to start doing the bonus-points thing later. I figured that it was important to distinguish between "no photo" and "unchecked", lest we waste time re-checking the ones without photos. Unfortunately, a lot of once-active PA people are no longer around or aren't regularly here; I requested help from Ruhrfisch, but he's not very active, and Dincher and Niagara have done virtually nothing for quite a while. Nyttend (talk) 04:47, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

I've not gone through the whole list: Generic1139 has done a ton, and Berks and Bucks aren't yet checked. It's not as if it takes tons of work to open a bunch of pages from a list and look through them quickly — the lots-of-work part will be looking for onwiki photos that could go in articles, whether by checking NR lists, looking through Commons categories, or searching otherwise. Note the list of NR lists that I've added, so that we don't duplicate efforts from checking the NR lists. And thanks for the postcards; I can't immediately do much with them, but I'll glance through now and try to do more in the future. Finally, when you have time, check your email for something I sent last week (if you've not already seen it) related to PHS; it's definitely not urgent, but it would be helpful if you have the chance. Nyttend (talk) 04:34, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

After going through a county NR list and using as many photos as possible, I'm tempted to start adding coords to potentially good photo spots in specific municipalities that still aren't illustrated. For example, here in Beaver County, I'd thought of marking churches, municipal buildings, and scenic vistas in East Rochester, Rochester Township, and South Heights, just as general reminders to myself, while being sure to mark the immense rail yards at Conway so that I'd be sure to remember it. What do you think of such an idea? If you like it, feel free to add coordinates likewise for yourself. Nyttend (talk) 21:37, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

I didn't mean adding them for everywhere; I meant adding a few here and there if I feel like it, and you likewise, or in other words, adding support for coords in case someone wants them for a photo-getting trip. Not surprised that you'd get postcards for those churches; here in BF we have former Campbell Memorial, Calvary (former UPCNA), College Hill, and First, plus Reformed Presbyterians of College Hill, former Geneva, and former First (see the Churches of Beaver Falls, Pennsylvania page at Commons), Beaver has First and Park, and there are lots of others very close to the two communities, including Steffin Hill, Rochester, Bridgewater, and my own church in Eastvale. There's a reason that Beaver-Butler Presbytery is just two counties and that the smaller denominations' presbyteries in this area have exceptionally high "population" densities. PS, I've consolidated some columns in the list of municipalities: there was no room for an additional column, but there is now. Nyttend (talk) 00:07, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Haven't seen it (I will momentarily), as I often don't check that address more than once daily. And yes, there's one bullet per unillustrated municipality. I hope to be able to hit at least the unillustrated sites in Beaver County and surrounding counties, but it will have to wait a while; my car's in the shop (perhaps I told you last month: I got keyed some time ago), and once it's fixed, I've promised to lend it to a friend who had a major crash today on our first icy roads of the season. Nyttend (talk) 04:59, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Your remaining work is hereby plotted out for you. See the current edition of User:Nyttend/Pennsylvania for my "upgrade" of the thing. Nyttend (talk) 04:20, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Doing my best to help with reducing numbers: I got some today in Armstrong, Butler, and Clarion, and I would have gotten more in all three counties (the goal was to get all in Clarion) if I hadn't gotten physically stuck in a dirt road and consequently waited quite a while for the tow truck. Just glad that Nationwide includes roadside assistance (though the dispatcher thought I was in Wellsboro for some crazy reason; I'm sure glad that the tow truck called before trying to find me!), but it didn't bring back the lost time. I'm not sure how many more photos I'll be able to get; I'm interviewing next week for a job not far from Orlady's home town. Nyttend (talk) 06:56, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Let's be careful out there. And remember, its hunting season, wear your orange vest when in the woods. Generic1139 (talk) 16:08, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

I have a question

If you dislike paid editors so much, why do you put up with Jerem43?

I refer to this right here.

Just curious. Thanks for playing and cheers. 76.191.202.31 (talk) 06:11, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

Eddleman-McFarland House

Hello. Thank you for creating Eddleman-McFarland House. Do you think you could create an article about Quality Hill (Fort Worth, Texas)? I'm also not sure if Thistle Hill is listed on the NRHP or not--it looks like it's not: National Register of Historic Places listings in Tarrant County, Texas. Please reply on my talkpage. Thank you.Zigzig20s (talk) 07:38, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Oh, Thistle Hill is actually the Wharton-Scott House.Zigzig20s (talk) 08:11, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Regarding One Young World

Hi Smallbones, I had no intention to turn the One Young World thing into a huge deal. I can understand the annoyance of banned users reappearing with the same message over and over again, we don't really have anything like WP:BANREVERT on da-wiki so I wasn't aware of that, and you're not an admin so you couldn't have provided a CheckUser or something similar. If I could provide a small bit of criticism it would be that you should've provided the excellent answer the first time I asked, but nonetheless I appreciate your efforts to keep banned users away and you should definitely keep doing it. Keep up the good work! Best Regards InsaneHacker (talk) 09:33, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

@InsaneHacker: Thanks. Yes, I should have explained myself better. Just curious - how do they stop banned users on da-wiki from coming back ad nausem? We could probably use a better system here. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 12:45, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Da-wiki is so small (we're only about 50-60 active users) that we almost never deal with sockpuppets, we have about 6 users who are permanently banned from the wiki but their behavior is very obvious, so whenever something suspicious turns up the admins do a CheckUser and ban them again. Best Regards InsaneHacker (talk) 16:03, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Wyoming County Courthouse photo

The Wyoming County Courthouse in the photo is indeed in Tunkhannock Borough, but accurately, it has no connection with the government of the borough. Municipal offices are in a separate building across the street. I will take a photo of that building in a day or two, if it is not too cold. (The photo of the downtown street in the infobox is mine, as is the courthouse photo on the Wyoming County article.) I will leave your photo in. → Michael J Ⓣ Ⓒ Ⓜ 03:58, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Sounds good. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 04:00, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

List of municipalities in Pennsylvania

Good to see the Rose Tree Tavern! I'm finding that many of the best photos are yours, and expect the trend to continue. Best, == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 12:43, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

I understand about the instability. Eventually, it may need to be broken down alphabetically -- "Municipalities, A - E", etc. I love the photo hunt idea. Seeing the population stagnation or decline in most of these municipalities brings home how badly hit Pennsylvania has been in recent decades. I'm amazed at the number of places with under-1000 populations. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 13:24, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Thursday December 4: NYC Wiki-Salon and Skill Share

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Category:American public relations people

Your name just popped up on my watchlist and I know you have an interest in cleaning up promotional vanity pages. This category is very rich with good AFD/PROD candidates - it actually has more non-notable/promotional articles than the those tagged as adverts (many of which are already cleaned up and never had their tags removed). Many of the articles are crafted to make it look like it's sourced, but the citations are actually brief mentions, quotes, primary, self-authored, etc. I've gotten down to the "C"s so far of the main-level category, skipping one I would have sent to AfD, to avoid conflict with competing paid editor(s). If you have any interest in tag-teaming it, you could start at the Zs and meet me half-way. CorporateM (Talk) 04:14, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)Good idea. I may glance through the list myself. Can't promise I'll do it alphabetically or systematically. Coretheapple (talk) 16:15, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

Agree that the category requires systematic review. I quickly found a puffy article that had already been deleted and was improperly re-created by the subject. A real mess. Thanks for raising the issue here, Corp. Coretheapple (talk) 17:27, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

I am down to the "L"s. I skipped Leslie Bradshaw after seeing that it was a product of user:WWB TOO, however I accidentally sent Michael Feldman (consultant) to AfD, not realizing it was also one of his. WWB, if you're following this ping, it might be useful to provide a list of articles you have produced in this category so I can avoid those and someone else may (or may not) take a look. I'm just working on these during commercial breaks sort of speak, but I'll keep working down from the Ls. There are a few other related categories that probably need similar cleanup as well. CorporateM (Talk) 16:30, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

I haven't gone far, only as far as the Ss from the rear. I actually was going to go through this category after stumbling upon one public relations person's bio, the Rockefeller p.r. guy, and in fact I believe you became involved in that yourself. It is a problematic group of articles, and a surprisingly large number don't belong in Wikipedia at all. Coretheapple (talk) 17:15, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

CorporateM, all significant past projects are listed on my user page; some are PR-related, many are not. Having reviewed a few of the articles nominated for deletion, I don't disagree with the effort in principle—I agree many of these articles do not pass WP:GNG. On the other hand it seems to me that, considering that you are also a public relations person, you likely have something of a COI with this topic. Better to let Smallbones and Coretheapple make the content decisions. WWB Too (Talk · COI) 21:46, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

That's crossed my mind. But on the other hand, there seems to be so little policing of articles like this I'm not too particular about who does the policing. I would just ask that CorporateM pledge not to get involved in bios of direct competitors. If he can undertake that, I'm not bothered by his activity in this area. Coretheapple (talk) 22:26, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Pfff. Everyone knows that an editor does not have a COI merely for having a background in an industry. Having brought History of public relations and 3-4 other PR-related articles up to GA, I'm probably our single most prolific topic-editor in the space. Anyways, let me know how far you get working from the Zs. I think Category:Public relations companies of the United States also needs culling if we can get to it eventually. CorporateM (Talk) 23:04, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

OK, I'll join in after going through my current photo upload. I agree in theory with both CorpM and Core immediately above. "Pfff", I've been looking for that word! "Balderdash" and "fiddlesticks" just don't do it for me anymore. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 02:40, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

The whole category is a mess, filled with hagiography and self-promotion. Really a disgrace. Coretheapple (talk) 15:36, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

By the way, I just became aware that User:WWB_Too authored one of the articles on public relations practitioners that CorporateM has nominated for deletion, and according to his/her user page is involved in COI editing. I feel a "pot calling kettle black" metaphor arising in my throat but I'll suppress it. Coretheapple (talk) 16:48, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I did not know he authored it when I nominated it (see discussion on my Talk page). I usually try to avoid his articles. He said there is a list of pages on his user page that would make them easy to avoid, but when I clicked on Category:Public relations companies of the United States and clicked on a name at random that I had never heard of, it was authored by one of his staff. I guess the problem with us not allowing corporate accounts is the disclosure is spread around a bunch of accounts for individuals. And the problem with disclosure in general (knowing any personal information about editors) is that WWBTOO seems to produce the types of articles that I sometimes target for deletion or cleanup, but can't because of what it would look like. This is why we operate on an anonymous basis to avoid such speculation about an editor's motives.

Anyways, it looks like we've met in the middle alphabetically at Arthur W. Page. I'm going to poke around at Category:Public_relations_companies_of_the_United_States and check each Talk page individually before nominating to avoid Mr. WWBTOO's work. CorporateM (Talk) 17:10, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Coretheapple: regarding your note above about "the pot calling the kettle black", I knew I had a COI in writing that article. Not only is it the article of someone in my industry, but I was paid to write it. I fully disclosed my financial COI and didn't make direct edits myself, instead having a volunteer editor review and place the draft. In comparison, CorporateM is making his own judgment calls on article content where he has a plausible COI, without any disclosure. I disclose my connections in every forum where I participate, and usually put a "connected contributor" template on Talk pages of articles where I get involved (though I may sometimes forget). Also I know you've suggested CorporateM avoid "direct competitors", but that's actually more difficult than you might think: many PR individuals work for firms that offer consulting on Wikipedia (whether directly, or through a third party). WWB Too (Talk · COI) 17:46, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

If any of those firms want to raise the issue of COI, please bring it to my attention and I'll listen sympathetically. But if they're not doing so, I fail to see the harm of a PR practitioner editing articles on the PR industry with an aim toward improving and de-fluffing them. For instance, CorporateM and I disagree on Arthur W. Page, which I think should be gone and is not worth the trouble, but he's fixing it and that's fine. If you wish to pursue the issue you can certainly take it to COI/N, which is the appropriate forum for such things. Coretheapple (talk) 18:41, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

I'm only here since I was asked to the discussion. My basic point is that CorporateM is editing articles of potential clients and partners, which strikes me as a slippery slope. I tend to avoid editing articles about companies on my own time, and I've always thought CorporateM should be likewise careful—but I'm only saying so now because the issue was put before me. If you disagree, that's fine. I'm happy to disengage and go about my business. WWB Too (Talk · COI) 18:51, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Understood. Your point is not without merit. Coretheapple (talk) 15:15, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Re: Steps to solve the problem

I believe most of this is already covered at Wikipedia:Perennial proposals. We need an unambiguous, data-driven, analytical approach to acknowledging the problem exists. Please consider that many of the entrenched "elite" class refuse to recognize any kind of problem in the first place, and many of the so-called "problems" that many report, are what this class of users consider features, not bugs. You're dealing with a very narrow mindset that is resistant to change. For some insight on this personality type, read the article The Californian Ideology and its consequences. Sadly, everything is proceeding according to plan. You see, that's the problem. Viriditas (talk) 21:32, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Re: Thanks

Thanks for the note re. the Sussex Co. photos. Wish I'd had more time to spend on the Delmarva Peninsula. On my way south, I picked up a couple of sites in MD and three in VA today, assuming that the photos turned out; but I could've been a lot more productive with a few more days. And, I must admit, if conditions hadn't been good for birding; WikiProject NRHP had to take a backseat to my pursuit of Lesser Black-backed Gulls in Delaware.

Hope your own pursuits, Wiki- and otherwise, are going well; and that you have an enjoyable Christmas and New Year's yourself. — Ammodramus (talk) 02:23, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

PA towns

The progress on the list is pretty remarkable. Thanks for taking it on. I have been much less active on wikipedia the last few years. I simply don't have the time I once had. Merry Christmas to you, too! Gerry D (talk) 15:07, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm pretty sure we're going to get this done. Check back on July 4! Smallbones_(smalltalk) 15:49, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Daniel Pabst

Hey, pal. Merry Christmas to you and yours. We should plan a trip up to Yonkers. Here's an example of the beauties inside "Glenview":[3] == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 04:17, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Good. I prefer to drive.

There are very few interior images of "Glenview." It's possible that they don't allow photography. But you will love the craftsmanship. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 04:44, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

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Season's Greetings

Season's Greetings and Good Wishes

Best wishes for the season and the new year. Ellin Beltz (talk) 05:21, 25 December 2014 (UTC) |}

Seasonal greetings

	Merry Christmas and best wishes for a happy, healthy and productive 2015!
	Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 14:32, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Happy New Year

Happy New Year!

Smallbones,
I wish you and yours happiness (and more sleep) in the New Year. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 04:36, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year 2015}} to user talk pages.

New Galilee

See my photo of Galilean Presbyterian Church, 40°50′9″N 80°24′5″W / 40.83583°N 80.40139°W / 40.83583; -80.40139, taken a few years ago. It's still there, or at least it was when I was there on Thursday. Nyttend (talk) 13:56, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

QV the paragraph beginning with "In 1827 the Rockv" [sic] in this local history. Nyttend (talk) 13:59, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

You're welcome. I haven't done any local photography in a long time (I was already taking lots of photos when I was in college), but I need to start again — we're continuing to lose built environment here (I don't remember ever hearing so many sirens from so many directions before last night), and I'd like to do a project at least as intensive as what I did in Bloomington. Nyttend (talk) 14:37, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

This might make you smile...

... Catholic Total Abstinence Union Fountain == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 20:51, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

@BoringHistoryGuy - Very much so! Thanks. I did notice that Moses is missing a horn. And I remembered that I was very surprised that Commodore Barry was Catholic. You should go for a DYK (w/pic of course) Smallbones_(smalltalk) 22:34, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

I'm in the midst of reading a Penn masters thesis on the fountain. LOTS more information. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 23:00, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Barry's religion is one reason there's a statue of him behind Independence Hall. It was a sop to Philadelphia Catholic voters just before a mayoral election. I think you'll enjoy reading the masters thesis on the fountain.[4] == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 14:18, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Thank you!

Dear Smallbones, Thanks for helping (remotely) with Wikipedia:Meetup/Ocean City, MD/Wiki Loves Small Museums Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 00:42, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

The "Ultimate Book of Truth"

Re your comment here, Google's Knowledge Graph apparently relies quite heavily on Wikipedia (see [5]), as well as Wikidata [6].

An added dimension here is Wikipedia Zero. You saw the Wifione case. Ponder the implications for hundreds of millions of third-world mobile phone users who can only passively consume Wikipedia, while the only ones in their countries able to read other sources directly – which is also a precondition for editing Wikipedia – are the business and political elites. Whose interests will the content they create serve?

Accessnow.org say, "If it takes off, Wikipedia Zero can, with one fell swoop, change the course of the open internet — and not necessarily for the better. No corporate or single platform — whether it's Facebook or Wikipedia — should be put in charge of curating access to the world's information. Simply put, zero rated content makes zero sense for the future of the open internet and the rights of those who use it."

The Electronic Frontier Foundation, a traditional ally of Wikipedia, says, "Whilst we appreciate the intent behind efforts such as Wikipedia Zero, ultimately zero rated services are a dangerous compromise." Contrast the opinions in that piece with [7].

If you find the prospect of Wikipedia becoming the Ultimate Book of Truth scary, you're not alone. Andreas JN 466 21:55, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Simon Owens: Will the FTC ever drop the hammer on paid Wikipedia edits?, March 8 2015, The Kernel (republication of a blog post by Owens first published last year). --Andreas JN 466 15:37, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Statistics - editor gender balance summary

The ones I can bring to mind are:

( All stats F/(F+M) )

2010 WMF/UN university c. 12 %
Study corrected above figures c. 16.1 % (something over 20% for adult US)
2011 WMF survey - headline figure 10%, restricting to English WP gives higher figures c. 12%, presumably subject to same correction as 2010 survey
2014/15 WMF "Global south" survey c. 20%
User prefs figures, indicate > 20%

For my notes on various sources relating to gender balance or systemic gender bias User:Rich Farmbrough/temp105

All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 16:47, 11 March 2015 (UTC).

Banned user?

Similar username as other accounts from the same banned user[8]. I think you were the one that was staying on top of that particular case? So thought I would ping you so you could take a look. CorporateM (Talk) 19:51, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Removal of content and source from Naveen Jain without comment

Could you please explain the edit [9] on the talk page, and address the discussion about this very source and content made earlier? --Ronz (talk) 02:01, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

I'm in the process. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 02:04, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! --Ronz (talk) 02:08, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

And thank you for taking the time to look to closely at the article. --Ronz (talk) 02:13, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Faggs Manor

Not sure if you're planning to work on Sir John's article, but it has problems: he was supposedly a Cambridge student at age six and joined the bar association in the same year! Meanwhile, are you sure we had an article on Chaplain Blair's father? Samuel Blair and Samuel Blair (chaplain) have never been moved or deleted, asaside from Blair being moved to Blair (chaplain), so that Blair could become a disambiguation page. Samuel Blair (pastor) has never existed, and Samuel Steel Blair doesn't appear to have anything mentioning either of the clergymen, aside from a simple disambiguation note in the earlier revisions. Besides this, what help or advice could I give? Not sure what help you need or want, although of course I'll try to provide it once I understand what you need. Nyttend (talk) 02:22, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for knocking out the final Chester County sites! Just a quick reminder, please add photos to municipalities before removing them from the list, so we don't accidentally forget to add a photo in one article. Nyttend (talk) 22:48, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

Peer review request

Hi. I had a request for peer review of the Gateway Protection Programme article closed before the article had been reviewed. It was suggested at Wikipedia talk:Peer review that a review could still take place, and that I should ask specific reviewers if they would be interested in providing the review. Would you be interested and willing to do this, by any chance? If not, is there any chance you could add it to the backlog so that it stands a chance of being reviewed by someone else, or is that against the rules? Cordless Larry (talk) 18:20, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

COI edit request at LinkedIn

Hi Smallbones, you were really helpful last month in taking a look at a COI edit I requested for LinkedIn, so I'm hoping you'll consider another quick edit I'm suggesting. The first paragraph of the article notes LinkedIn's user count as of June 2013, and I'm hoping we can get that updated to a more recent figure. More info and possible sources on the talk page, here. Thanks so much for any time/consideration you're able to offer. Mary Gaulke (talk) 19:39, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Front Street (Philadelphia)‎

Front Street (Philadelphia)‎ and Girard Avenue are now redirects. Please take a look.--DThomsen8 (talk) 17:08, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Talk:List of municipalities in Pennsylvania

See my questions at Talk:List of municipalities in Pennsylvania.--DThomsen8 (talk) 19:30, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

re: Penn Photo banner

My question was just of interest/curiosity. I did not mind getting the banner, and actually clicked into it to read about the project. It was then that I read about it being sent out to PA IPs. Actually, I thought everyone got it, and was therefor surprised since I do not live in the state. Keep it as is, I have no objections to "close-is-good".--☾Loriendrew☽ ☏(ring-ring) 03:21, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Re: photos

I've just been really busy with job applications, and while I've been able to get out a few times, I've gotten myself a rather horrid backlog; just two days ago I was finally able to work with photos from 28 May, and the stuff I uploaded for Clarion County and surrounding areas is almost two weeks old. With the likelihood of soon having to leave PA, I've been trying to concentrate on the NR sites, and with the Northern Panhandle of West Virginia done, that largely means going to Ohio. If you take a line from Potter County to Somerset County, running through Clearfield and Cambria counties, I've gotten virtually everything west of it: just a quarter of the Somerset County sites remain, the remaining sites in Washington and Fayette are all difficult or impossible of access, and all other counties I've visited 100% of the sites. So...I've made recent trips westward to Athens and Cleveland, but nothing lately in Pennsylvania except this trip, and what I got was before and after a one-day academic conference. Nyttend (talk) 18:53, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Conflict of interest/Post Tou update

Found this here: Category:Wikipedia conflict of interest guidelines. Should be deleted maybe? Jytdog (talk) 21:52, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

@Jytdog: I don't think it matters: leave it alone, mark it as historical, or delete. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 23:38, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Its your thing. as you will then! thanks for replying. Jytdog (talk) 23:53, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

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