User:Sj/BJAODN

Some Wikipedians are arguing over an interesting interpretation of attribution requirements, moral rights, and the GFDL, focusing on BJAODN (motivated by a number of Wikipedians who wanted all BJAODN pages deleted and have nommed the set for deletion a few times in the past).

Some Wikipedians are engaging in widespread efforts to curb community spirit, creativity, or humor which they do not grok. See #humourlessness.

quick timeline

early 2007 : BJAODN as a whole nominated for deletion; alternately on MfD and AfD. no success; noms generally withdrawn by nominator. There has been some confused discussion of GFDL violations in a few of these threads.

May 30 : Jeffrey O. Gustafson (J) posts on ANB that he's going to delete all BJAODN subpages for copyvios, CSD G-12 violations, general GFDL violation, and abuse of contributors' [moral?] rights. Gets support from ^demon among others, who have advocated for deletion of BJAODN pages in the past.

May 30 : after brief discussion on ANB, J speedily deletes ~143 subpages.

May 31 : ^demon speedily closes a deletion review about BJAODN, with "Closing this early. First and foremost, DRV is now based on strength of arguments, rather than vote-counting. The basic strength of the argument in regards to BJAODN being a GFDL violation is a simple fact and there is no way to refute it."

May 31-Jun3 2 : various people argue the point and try undeleting pages or putting them up for DRV. The Cunctator undeletes a swatch, which J promptly redeletes.

Jun 2+ : A small number of people (~10) have a heated discussion about this on the en.wikipedia mailing list.

quotes

or, more fun with GFDL history violations

There is something troubling about the following.

"There's nothing in the GFDL about "preserving a section entitled history". All there is in the GFDL is a requirement that work is attributed, and signatures on every comment are the perfect way to accomplish that." (Cyde, from ANI)
"editors who want to have articles in BJAODN [should stop griping and wheel warring, and show instead, after three years' notice of the copyright violations[...] that they are actually willing to back their talk up with effort to actually fix the problem" (Uncle G, ibid.)
"I mean REALLY!!! Why the F*CK is this piece of Wikipedia's history DELETED??? What's next? BARNSTARS??? Dark Ermac 13:07, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Been there, done that, got the T-Shirt." >Radiant< (ibid.)

Deletions

longstanding pages

Wikipedia:Unusual_requests

deleted original work

Wikipedia:BJAODN:the_Upper_Penninsula_War (moved from original location, deleted by J)
list of numbers by alpha deleted by User:^demon
Fictional letters (J)
Saint Denis (speedied by ^demon in the middle of an active MfD (sj comment - patent nonsense doesn't apply to essays with long edit histories. Don't use CSD to avoid community discussion.)
The Adventures of Telgur the Trollslayer - started by none other than Telgur himself, 19 edits by 5 editors, speedily deleted by J during bulk deletions.
Funny vandalism - more discussion than anything.
ASCII cows, old PD ascii jokes. May need to be moved, but had long discussion and edit history.
Editing Wikipedia while drunk, an old, well-edited BJAODN section

discussions

Wikipedia:Talk_page_highlights (demon)

Slang and other material actively preserved

Toilet slang (60 edits)- lost a VfD, sent to user space, then bjaodn
Sexual slang (190 edits) - moved without losing a discussion
body parts slang (280+ edits)

asides

Images such as Image:Governor_william_preston_lane_jr_of_maryland.jpg are being deleted, perhaps hundreds in a day, by one or two admins. The above, again User:^demon.

shouldn't have been speedied, but no significant edit history or support from more than one editor

AfDs

MfD #3

Relevant Policies

speedy deletion policy: [WP:CSD#G12 CSD G-12] (on obvious copyvios)
deletion policy: ?? (sj - probably no call for speedying, by any interp)
site-user rights: contributor rights and obligations
GFDL clauses: 4I suggests that a 'History' section must be preserved, and must be added to on new published revisions. Confusions: what is the 'History' section of WP as a whole? we have one copy of the GFDL for all 3 million pages; perhaps one aggregate history section? Implicit history, such as history stored on talk pages or in archives or via links, may not satisfy strictly. (sj - long term solution: design a more suitable license...)

humourlessness

Some humour, communal commiseration, or other discussion deleted or squashed by people who don't get it and so loathe it:

Wikipedia:Eleventy-billion pool (I discovered this out-of-process speedy delete six months after it took place, while looking through deletion logs during research for this page. Radiant, annoyed with my BJAODN undeletion, MfD'ed it after being annoyed by my undeletions above, claiming it was speediable and part of an 'undeletion spree', spinning the results of four previous deletion discussions that touched on the e-b p. not a single vote in the brief ensuing MfD discussion took note of the policies and principles involved.)

Image:WWDBarnstar.svg (left on my userpage following BJAODN discussions; speedied by Zscout370 out of process, claiming a bogus rationale, after consultation with Radiant)

Discussion in #wikipedia, and the canonical governance system in place there