User:Looper5920/Archive 4

For In the news

Here is a headline for the USMC Portal:

• NASA Appoints Crew for Space Station Mission, 2006-06-20. "Marine Corps Col. George Zamka of Jersey City, N.J., will serve as pilot ...." —ERcheck (talk) @ 00:36, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Looper

I deleted a page that I created, Thanks The Punk 11:33, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for looking at Military leadership in the American Civil War

I've been defending this article against Rjensen's mucking for some time, and I'm not going to allow one user to destroy a solid article. BusterD 11:26, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

• I know your frustration all too well. --Looper5920 11:31, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

He's at it again. If you don't mind watching it, I'd appreciate. Thanks! BusterD 12:46, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

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Please review George Coker article and give importance rating

Would you please visit the article George Thomas Coker and give it an importance rating. It was just promoted to GA status. Thanks. —ERcheck (talk) @ 11:09, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

• Thanks. —ERcheck (talk) @ 04:35, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Updating Portal questions

It's update time.... I've changed the quote and the bio. What are your ideas/plans for featured article and photo? —ERcheck (talk) @ 11:10, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

I saw you making the changes to the Portal earlier today. To be honest I have been avoiding it. I have nothing for the FA at the moment. Any ideas?? If not give me an hour or so and i'll come up with something.--Looper5920 11:12, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

I see two updates needed ... one for this weekend; and, I'd like to have an update for July 4th. With that in mind, the FA for the 4th should be a heavy hitter. There seemed to be an pattern — infantry, aviation, bio, infantry, aviation ... but then we had memorial, and band. I'm thinking of VMGR-152 for the featured photo for the July 4th, so, keep that in mind. Do you have another battalion to feature? —ERcheck (talk) @ 11:21, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

• MCAS Miramar, with this photo or this one would be an idea ... but Miramar is quite a stub now. —ERcheck (talk) @ 11:26, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
• How about National Museum of the Marine Corps for the photo — Image:NMMC construction 06Aprpic4.jpg. —ERcheck (talk) @ 11:33, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

There are other photos, but only the aerial photos are USMC, the rest are either the construction company's or the Heritage Foundation's (which I don't think fall under PD). —ERcheck (talk) @ 11:37, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

I am leaving the FA and FPhoto to you. :-) —ERcheck (talk) @ 11:44, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Check Coordination for idea on message box, etc. —ERcheck (talk) @ 13:57, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

• Did I miss it? ;-) —ERcheck (talk) @ 00:09, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

USMC Oral History unit

You might be interested in this topic on the Military history talk page. Sounds like an article that needs to be written. —ERcheck (talk) @ 22:18, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

• Here's a reference if you are interested. [1] — ERcheck (talk) 23:10, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

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Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on the contributor; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. [2] Listed at Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Añoranza#Statement_by_A.C3.B1oranza Añoranza 12:33, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

I was told you can only be added if you agree to join the dispute resoultion. Do you? Añoranza 12:36, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Leave Looper out of your RFA. The only reason you want to add him is because of what you perceive as his personal attacks on you, so you can slant the arbcom committee. I think Looper would agree its best he not get involved with an already put forward situation, where quite a case of information has already been put forward. --zero faults ^{|sockpuppets|} 12:39, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Please note this is a third user's talk page, not another page you can take advantage of to fight with me. Añoranza 12:43, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

I am not sure what you are reffering to. --zero faults ^{|sockpuppets|} 12:47, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Here we go again

It has to be done all official like so that certain users will finally let a dead horse alone. I know it's already been 10 days and should have been dropped but the user didn't like the direction the vote was going so made it all official. If you would please drop by. ← ΣcoPhreek _{Is Useless}^Nostalgia→ 16:23, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

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Parris Island

I had noticed that you had really been making some great changes to Marine Corps Recruit Depot Parris Island. We were thinking about making this the feature article in the USMC Portal for the 4th of July weekend. I saw that you have some ideas lined up for the article and wondered if there is any help I can provide to make this article worth featuring. Thanks and let me know.--Looper5920 09:13, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Actually there is! If you really want to help you can rewrite the History section. Whoever wrote it the first time literally cut and pasted it from Beaufort SC Military bases, Parris Island Marine Corps Recruiting Depot South Carolina. I was going to go to the External links and rewrite the section with footnotes. If you can use any books during the process, all the better! Palm_Dogg 13:15, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Update on Medal of Honor recipient articles

Two milestones:

• All USMC Medal of Honor recipients from the Korean War now have articles.
• Over 190 articles completed.

Only 10 remaining for the Vietnam War. All of WWI and WWII are completed. — ERcheck (talk) @ 23:34, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

• UPDATE: I met my goal — finished all of the USMC Medal of Honor recipients for the Vietnam War for the 4th of July. Final article (William T. Perkins, Jr. is now nominated for a DYK. — ERcheck (talk) @ 04:47, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Awesome job. You have been pumping out really quality articles at the cyclic rate. I was just thinking the other day that it might not be a bad idea to create a sharp looking list for each conflict that had pics, descriptions, etc... Fight make a good feature list. You got the hard part out of the way and that is creating all of them. If I ever get off my ass and create the rest of the A/C squadron articles I might be able to put together a decent list. Also, I have been slacking on unit articles as of late but I am starting to ramp up production. Again, great job and Happy 4th.--Looper5920 05:06, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
    • Thanks. BTW - sent you a 4th of July e-mail. — ERcheck (talk) @ 05:13, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Portal

Are you sure you want to go with the footprints as the picture? — ERcheck (talk) @ 12:27, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

• I am open to anything. What did you have in mind?--Looper5920 12:35, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Discussion to follow in coordination... — ERcheck (talk) @ 12:43, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

I see you finished the editing and updating for the Selected article. I've added a monthly area at the top of Coordination. Please see my question on bio. — ERcheck (talk) @ 21:32, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

2/9

Looper, thanks for letting me know. Yes, I will look forward to making some contributions. It really brought back some memories. It was nice that you used the 2/9 patch I uploaded. I designed the patch of the "Walking Dead". I was unaware that the 2/9 is now 2/4, what a shame. I guess I'm still sentimental and old fashioned for somethings. Semper Fi Tony the Marine 17:13, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

• I don't think that it is correct to say that 2/9 is now 2/4. 2/9 is an inactive battalion it's Marines were were just renamed but the battalion's history has not become part of 2/4's.. There is a good chance that the battalion will stand up again. The Marine Corps' end strength was increased to 180,000 last year. 1/9 was activated again last November and the Mrine Corps has been looking to stand up another infantry battalion. "Hell in a Helmet" may be back hooking and jabbing before you know it.--Looper5920 20:24, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Joseph T. O'Callahan

As you have a Jesuit background, I thought you might be interested in this article. I came across it in re-categorizing general Medal of Honor recipients into their respective service branches. It needed some work, so I've added photos, reference, expanded, etc. It could use a little more work. (Hint ;-) — ERcheck (talk) @ 22:14, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

WP:3RR

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How about an Operation article?

I notice that Operation Dewey Canyon is redlinked on five pages (including a request)

1. List of military operations
2. Wikipedia:Requested articles/Social Sciences and Philosophy
3. Wesley L. Fox
4. Robert H. Barrow
5. Marine Air Support Squadron 2

As you seem to have the ability to create a great diversity of articles, perhaps you might be interested in creating this one? — ERcheck (talk) 01:32, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

If you are interested, here is a link with some info. — ERcheck (talk) 01:34, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Done. Needs alot of work but may not be a bad DYK candidate. ...Operation Dewey Canyon was the last major U.S. Marine offensive of the Vietnam War?

Wow! Great work! I made a few edits. I think it would make a great DYK candidate. I've got one USMC article from July 4th currently on the DYK suggestion list; but, I don't think that would make a difference, as one is a bio and the other a battle/operation. Go ahead and self-nominate. BTW, could you find any PD images? — ERcheck (talk) 06:20, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

2nd Battalion 9th Marines

How do you like what I've done so far? Once you get me started, there is no stopping me. Thanks for including me in your "Excellent Wikipedians", I'm honored (smile). Tony the Marine 05:25, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

• The honor is mine working with you. I wish I took the levelheaded approach that you and ERcheck always do.Looks good so far. I think the medals at the end of the WWII section may be better incorporated into the larger list at the end. Take a look at 3rd Battalion 1st Marines as a possible example. I am about to finish an article on Operation Dewey Canyon. Might be able to add that into the article also as 2/9 took part.--Looper5920 05:44, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I just took a look at the 3/1 article and it likes great. You're right the medals should go at the end but, what about the "streamers" awarded, should they stay where they are or should they be moved? By the way, A Happy belated 4th of July. Semper Fi Tony the Marine 05:59, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

• I take the term streamer out and just substitute the word medal. Easier to understand for those not familiar with the subject and avoids having to create redirects. Happy belated Fourth as well.--Looper5920 06:06, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Interested in another redlink

How about the Armed Forces Staff College, Norfolk, Virginia. [3]? I'm surprised that there isn't an article already. — ERcheck (talk) 02:10, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

• Done. Joint Forces Staff College. As always it can use some work.--Looper5920 03:44, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
  • I'm impressed! It's a great start. You just fixed the redlinks on 19 articles... — ERcheck (talk) 03:49, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Want a new challenge?

I noticed that you had made a reference addition to Battle of Saipan. That motivated me to do some cleanup in formatting and copyedits. After reading the article, and some of the USMC monograph, I think that this would be a good candidate to try to get to Featured Article status. There seems to be sufficient reference information in the online sources, especially Hoffman's work, to make a go of it. If you are interested, let me know. You have a great knack with battles and operations, so I think you'd make the ideal primary lead on it. — ERcheck (talk) 14:46, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Portal links

See this note on my talk page. It was brought to my attention that there is a guideline for the location of {{tl:portal}} links — in the "See also" section. I've asked TheGrappler not to revert any of the links - to give us a chance to discuss whether or not you/we wish to make a case for a change to the guidelines. Give it some thought. (See my comments on his talk page.) — ERcheck (talk) 15:15, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

• If the consensus is that they need to be moved then so be it. I will move them as I come across them but I am not going to spend an entire day or two trying to find them all right away. There are battles worth picking and this to me does not seem like one of them.--Looper5920 02:50, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
  • If you see the discussion on my talk page and TheGrappler's talk page, you will find that I could not find a consensus discussion; TheGrappler could not either. It may have been a while back; or, it may be a guideline that the template creator put on the page. As you don't feel that it merits a discussion to ask to re-visit the guideline, and I don't either, then it seems no further discussion needed between us on what the formatting will be for new USMC articles. Yes? — ERcheck (talk) 05:12, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
    • BTW, I do feel the same way about moving the links. With over 1000 articles containing USMC Portal links, I think the time is better spent in creating content than making a mass change. — ERcheck (talk) 05:21, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Check out a new USMC bio on the Main Page DYK

I hope the article will be there then you get back online. On the Main Page DYK, William T. Perkins, Jr. (1/1) is the top article featured, with his photo. — ERcheck (talk) 18:32, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Would you mind submitting your opinion?

I am pondering the utility/danger of proposing a ACW portal. Would you mind weighing in with an opinion of the time resources you spend on the portal itself? BusterD 23:07, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Deletion review for Template:Good article

hi, i hope you can take part in the deletion review debate for the above metadata template that puts a star on the article's mainpage (you voted in the original deletion debate). the vote is here Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2006 July 8 (scroll down for Template:Good Article section). thanks. Zzzzz 00:40, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Chat

Check e-mail on forward planning. — ERcheck (talk) 05:37, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: DYK

It's great that that new article you created on Operation Dewey Canyon made the Main Page DYK. ....And both were top line with pictures.... (I got there in time to see it.) — ERcheck (talk) 11:45, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

• I guess you don't need the template anymore, do you? Ah, here you go.

On July 10, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Operation Dewey Canyon, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Mgm|^(talk) 09:27, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

1/9 question

I note that 1st Battalion 9th Marines is on the USMC portal's "expand" request list. In the intro to the article, it says the 1/9 was reactivated in 2005. I don't find any official info in usmc.mil pages. Do you have a reference? — ERcheck (talk) 23:39, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

• From what I know, the Anti Terrorism Battalion of the 4th MEB that was established after 9/11 was transitioned to 1/9 in November of last year. The last defense Budget authorized an increase in the USMC end strength to 180,000. Out of the 6,ooo+ Marines added, the Commandant wanted 2 more infantry battalions. This is the battalion's website 1/9 Website. They are still being formed so there is not much info available
  • Do you have a reference for the activation date? (I was going to expand the article; I wanted to start first with the current commander and was then stymied by the lack of immediately available info. — ERcheck (talk) 23:57, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
    • This is the best I could find on short notice [4] Not that great but it is something. --Looper5920 00:19, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
    • Also found this [5]. Only around for a few months and they are already doing the PR thing. Note they are now in the 2nd Mar Div- -Looper5920 00:30, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I've made a few little changes already and will add a little more based on your links above.

BTW. I also noted that Cactus Air Force was also on the expand list. I've seeded the article with external links as resources for expansion. Want to take it on? — ERcheck (talk) 00:44, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

• I see you've taken the challenge ;-) I'm looking forward to reading the article as it expands. — ERcheck (talk) 01:37, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

RE: Your expertise is needed

Yeah, I could do that, but my expertise is somewhat limited to F-14 Tomcat and the F/A-18 Hornet.

• No worries. Just help out where you can. Thanks.--Looper5920 13:10, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

United States Air Force In South Vietnam

Thank you !! We try

-- User:bwmoll3 114:46, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Cactus Air Force units

Glad to take a look at formatting the section. Give me a little time (a day or so). I'll try and come up with something. — ERcheck (talk) 05:06, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

• What would you think of organizing the unit list chronologically (by date of arrival), rather than by service branch? — ERcheck (talk) 12:48, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

• Thanks for catching the missing article on Colonel John L. Smith. John Lucian Smith also know as John L. Smith (USMC) is completed. (Now we need MAG-33 ;-) — ERcheck (talk) 23:28, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

• Yeah, I am about to roll out a VMF-221 article which entails the creation of VMSB-241 since they were the two squadrons that were decimated during the Battle of Midway. The commander of VMSB-241 was Maj Loftus Henderson, the 1st Marine aviator to die during the war and the man that Henderson Field on Guadalcanal was named after. Anyway all this started with the cactus air force.--Looper5920 23:32, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

• Gotta love those redlinks and cacti ;-) While you work on VMF-221 (and MAG-33 ;-), I'll see if I can find info to beef up the Lofton R. Henderson article. — ERcheck (talk) 23:51, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Your article, VMU-2, was selected for DYK!

On July 18, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article VMU-2, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thanks for your contributions! ++Lar: t/c 00:51, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

• I nominated this article a few days ago, but didn't know if it would be selected since there were a number of military articles on the list. Hope you sign on in time to see it. — ERcheck (talk) 00:57, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Thanks. I did not realize you had nominated it. Looks good.--Looper5920 01:36, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
    • I like that it made the top of the list, even has the insignia pictured. Nice surprise to see DYK notice. (I got one too as the nominator.) — ERcheck (talk) 01:53, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Coordination

Let's get started. Check your e-mail. — ERcheck (talk) 01:53, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

• I'm at work now. Will have to wait a few hours--Looper5920 02:07, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Any Ideas?

I'm scratching my head. Silvestre S. Herrera made DYK and somebody added his "Primier Merito Miltar" to the military info box. This award was something like an honorary award given to him by the Mexican government. Now, the question is, should the award be in the info box along with the U.S. medals which he earned? What do you guys (ERcheck and Looper) say? Tony the Marine 16:17, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

• I've left my comments on Tony's talk page. — ERcheck (talk) 22:39, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

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Selected Article archive

I've made some formatting changes to the Selected Article archive... putting it in table format, including a link to the image, and keeping full text (final version). I've put it at the bottom of the archive page, leaving the old list format. (Note that HMM-161 didn't seem to get featured.) Let me know what you think. — ERcheck (talk) 14:23, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

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Philadelphia Naval Shipyard

Philadelphia Naval Shipyard needs a mil hist box on the talk page. I'm unsure how to assess the page ... but am going to put a box up there. --evrik 20:27, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

• Agreed. Don't worry about assessing the articles. There are a few individuals who will eventually get around to tagging it. Thanks--Looper5920 20:29, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

List of United States Marine Corps aircraft squadrons

The List of United States Marine Corps aircraft squadrons page is looking great! — ERcheck (talk) 01:44, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

• Thanks for the note. I never realized how big the project was going to be when I started it. I have just ordered a bunch of books so hopefully in a few months it will be where I want it to be. There is a dearth of info on decommissioned reserve squadrons, squadrons created late in WWII that never got overseas and just some WWII squadrons in general. I haven't even really touched the prior to WWII squadrons other than creating redesignations. You don't happen to live near Pensacola do you? If I could get into the Naval Aviation Museum that would help clear much of this up. ANyway, thanks for the note and it appears the RFA is going well. Glad to see the community recognizing your contributions. --Looper5920 02:45, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Akin to taking on USMC Medal of Honor recipients. I've finished the major conflicts of the 20th century. The Civil War, Banana Wars, etc., in general have more limited information and very short citations. No, I'm not near Pensacola at all. The Naval Aviation Museum there is great. (Have you had a chance to visit the National World War II Museum[6] in New Orleans? Worth a visit if you are in the neighborhood. Thanks on the RFA. I appreciate your support. — ERcheck (talk) 22:29, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

USMC seal

Posted on the US task force talk page - new seal. The dark blue is much darker than the one from Image:USMC logo.svg. Your thoughts? — ERcheck (talk)

• I would say go with the new one. It is the new official one so the page might as well reflect that.--Looper5920 23:15, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Unfortunately the one in the Commons is svg format and the one on the USA website is jpg, so I can't just upload a new one to overwrite it. I don't have the software to make the conversion; so, I'll have to see what I can find. (I don't think the effort is worth it too relink all of the current image links.) — ERcheck (talk) 23:25, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

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Infobox images

Thanks for tagging the articles the Rlevse noted on my talk page. I've added assessments to them.

Comment on the Guy Gabaldon article. The Navy Cross image had been in the infobox, but I moved it down with the citation. See my comments on Tony the Marine's talk page (referencing del Valle, but still the same reasoning). It is my practice on only add a medal alongside the infobox image if the medal is the Medal of Honor. I'd like to hear your thoughts. — ERcheck (talk) 23:04, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Request: I've just finished a new article on Ben L. Salomon. Would you look it over? I'd like to submit it for DYK. (The tag being something about dentist/surgeon and number of recommendations before receiving the Medal of Honor.). — ERcheck (talk) 02:45, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

• I made the Navy Cross edit last night. Honestly my only thought was that it didn't look right where it was at. I agree that only MOHs should be in the infobox. You are the bio guy so I will defer to your better judgement on its placement. If not then people will be putting National Defense Service Medals up there. I'll take a look at the Ben Salomon article as well.--Looper5920 03:23, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

• I removed it completely, with a message on the talk page. I don't think it is a key illustration for the article; I agree that it didn't look great — and as a stub, it had more image/infobox than info.
• Feel free to make the DYK nomination yourself, if you think it appropriate. — ERcheck (talk) 03:43, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

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United States Marine Corps article overhaul

What do you think of my suggestions and proposed drafts to the USMC article? Talk:United_States_Marine_Corps#Article_Improvements. I'd like to get some feedback before embarking on major edits. --Mmx1 02:39, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

USMC Template

I think that's a perfectly good idea; though I think the Template:US Navy navbox displays a better selection of subtopics. For outsiders, subcommands aren't wholly interesting and not among the most important things they're looking for. As a start, all the "Main Article" links should probably be put into such a template.

--Mmx1 05:25, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

• I note that the USN has a template {{US Navy navbox}}; and also the USAF uses a similar template ({{USAF}}). But, the Army does not use the same style. I think the USN and USAF ones look a little better and provide an easier navigation of the main topics, though they provide different information. A template for USMC could/should be customized to display the pertinent USMC info (as noted by Mmx above). — ERcheck (talk) 11:11, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Lewis William Walt

I've just added an infobox. I'll finish it off this afternoon. — ERcheck (talk) 11:21, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

• Done. (At least for now....it is fully expanded — added a higher res version of his photo, plus another from WW2.) — ERcheck (talk) 04:34, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Looks great. --Looper5920 04:43, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Portal update

How about completing it this weekend? Posting ideas/plans to Coordination page. — ERcheck (talk) 15:00, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

• List of Marine Expeditionary Units now has no redlinks with your creation of 26th MEU. The list looks great. — ERcheck (talk) 19:57, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Coordination - selected features - August - my thoughts added, featured article and picture to you. Let me know. — ERcheck (talk) 21:36, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you

I just want to thank you for the work that you did on my grandfather's wiki page, Col. Welton Ralph Abell. Thanks, Ryan Abell

Barnstar

Thanks for the barnstar, though my tirelessness pales next to your 12k+ edits. On a sidenote, what do you think of the existing extensive Army vs. Marine uniform comparison? I think most of it can be shuffled off as Marine uniform details under the appropriate uniform type (e.g. boot blousing), and the section shrunk to distinct differences, not comparing where rank insignia are. Everybody's new utilities also complicates it; I'm not even that familiar with the ACU's or the Navy working uniform. It seems the sleeves rolled with camo or white out is an obsolete comparison, though for historical purposes it's still worth a mention; historically it was one distinguishing characteristic. --Mmx1

More care in reversion

I don't think you did this on purpose, but when you were reverting Neurotically Yours while it was being vandalised you reverted to a bad version, which caused the person reverting after you to revert to your version which was bad. I've returned the article to its pre-vandalised state.--Crossmr 14:58, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Portal update — your turn

I've made the August updates for DYK, In the news, and the quote. I'm working on the leadin for the bio.

I'm leaving photo and article to you.

See the Coordination page ... I've made a major rearrangement. There are a number of in the queue ideas for the photo; I've just uploaded a Harrier formation photo, which provides two choices for an aviation photo (refueling one is the other in the queue).

— ERcheck (talk) 15:12, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Portal suggestion

In updating several Wikipedia pages on U.S. military awards and decorations, I noticed that the page on Badges of the United States Marine Corps might benefit from the addition of a USMC portal. Agree? Over to you. Jack Bethune 04:07, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

• Thanks for the heads up. I added the Portal link. Please feel free to add them to articles you think they are appropriate for. Cheers--Looper5920 05:28, 31 J

Quick look

hi Looper, can you look at Ariel Weinmann I would like confirmation the way title/rank/service assignments etc reads correctly. TIA. --Paul E. Ester 17:05, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

GA candidates

What do you think about selecting some articles to put up for Good Article nomination? Some ideas:

• Joe Foss
  • Foss is good but still needs some work. For a guy that did so much the article just needs more information. The WWII piece needs additional info as well the squadron patch for Joe's Jokers (named after him). Agree that it is close though.
• Robert E. Galer

Others? — ERcheck (talk) 21:49, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

• • I would hod off on this one. Still to much like the official bio.

On another note I am very close to finishing the USMC template I had spoken of a week or two ago. Is there a List of United States Marine Corps Medal of Honor recipients? I think it would good in there. This is what I have so far, let me know what you think:

I have the page in my Sandbox, but haven't posted it. The USMC recipients for all of the major conflicts (WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam) of the 20th century are all wikilinked and have articles. Most of the inter-war awards and the 19th Century awards are omitted due to the lack of information available and/or the different standards for award at the time might make their articles of questionable notability. Perhaps a single "list" completed for these conflicts, with format similar to the List of Hispanic Medal of Honor recipients? — ERcheck (talk) 09:21, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Check it out

I'm working on a Template to post on 2/9. I'm inviting you to take a look. I think it'll look good in the article. See Here!. Semper Fi Tony the Marine 00:38, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

• I see what you are getting at but IMHO I am afraid it might be a bit big and overshadow the rest of the article. What about something like a rack of ribbons like shown on the 3/1 page placed on the right hand side?--Looper5920 00:44, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

15th Marine Expeditionary Unit GA nomination

15th MEU is nominated for GA status. The commenting review has asked for inline reference. Are there other source used for this article beyond the 15 MEU site? — ERcheck (talk) 09:10, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

• It's great that you are getting the references in place. I've had a few edit conflicts while you've been adding them. I'll check back later. You keep adding, and I'll make the formats consistent later today.
• Reading through the article, it will need a lot of clean up (less America-centric) before it goes passes GA.

— ERcheck (talk) 13:59, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

See alsos for MEU's — see 24th MEU. Since the MEU consists of an infantry battalion, a helicopter squadron, and a service support group (which redirect to logistics groups), what do you think of this list:

• List of Marine Expeditionary Units
• List of United States Marine Corps battalions
• Marine Corps helicopter squadrons (used the category)
• List of United States Marine Corps Marine Logistics Groups

— ERcheck (talk) 14:30, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

• List of Marine Expeditionary Units
• List of United States Marine Corps battalions
• List of United States Marine Corps aircraft squadrons
• List of United States Marine Corps Marine Logistics Groups

These are my thoughts for the see also. MEUs have harriers as well as helos so the overall a/c squadrons is probably more applicable.--Looper5920 14:34, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

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Two additional things to improve 15th MEU:

1. Get rid of redlinks — Operation Stabilise, Operation Swift Freedom, and Task Force Tarawa.
2. A review for encyclopedic tone.

— ERcheck (talk) 02:46, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Take a look

Take a look now, I need input. Tony the Marine 09:45, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Somehow my Thank you for the barnstar, which I posted a couple of days ago got lost through the cracks, so here I am posting it again:

Looper, thank you for the barnstar and your kind words. I believe that the article made GA status becoming the first Batalion article in Wiki history to do so. Like I have said before, without you and ERcheck, I couldn't have done it. You because you originated it and served as my motivational factor and ERcheck because of his formating and reference organizational skills. I truly believe that we three can make an excellent team. Semper Fi. Tony the Marine 06:40, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

anti-americanism

My new text is POV?? as was the previous!! and why remove the image? --Frogsprog 12:51, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

• Put the image in if you want but the rest of the text is garbage and I will revert it again unless it is cleaned up. Lines like "It is public knowledge" just don't cut it as sourced info and the rant on French railroads and the BBC does not belong--Looper5920 12:55, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

As a European citizen I am very well placed to comment on the US governments blatant stance against European Socialism, Perhaps we should consult a European administrator, rather than allowing an American to plague an artical with US patriotism!--Frogsprog 13:00, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

You are lucky that you have caught me after I turned my new leaf on the wiki. Two weeks earlier and the response you would have gotten from that last post would have been pretty good stuff. Unfortunately I am going to remain civil and on my best behavior. I say please seek out a "European" administrator and they will tell you the same thing... cite your work with reputable sources and no one will have any problems with your additions. I would love to argue with you off-line as to the pros and cons of European socialism but please don't accuse me of plauging anything when you have been adding your unsubstantiated opinions vice info that has been researched. Cheers--Looper5920 13:08, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

The Truth

To tell you the truth, I don't like the rack that I created, so to the garbage can with it. I hated it (smile). I did something better. Tony the Marine 17:06, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

• Love the new look. Classy, and conveys what you want but does not overpower the page. My only fear now is that eventually we'll have to do it to every unit. Daunting....

Task Force Tarawa

Are you working on an article for Task Force Tarawa? — ERcheck (talk) 23:39, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

• I am not currently working on one but I can start one up. It has been on my to do list forever.--Looper5920 23:48, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
  • You start it, I'll add references, etc. Are you going to start it in your sandbox and then move it? — ERcheck (talk) 00:10, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
    • I'll put the rough draft in my Sandbox before I post it. Should be up in a few minutes.--Looper5920 01:18, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Here's one a few to get started: — ERcheck (talk) 00:12, 7 August 2006 (UTC) (added more — ERcheck (talk) 00:23, 7 August 2006 (UTC))

• Lowry, Richard S. (2004). "The Battle of An Nasiriyah". Military History Online. Retrieved 2006-08-06.

• Keegan, John (July 1, 2004). "Bumps in the Road". The Iraq War. National Review Online. Retrieved 2006-08-06. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)

• Henthorn, SSgt Creighton L., Jr. (2003). "Task Force Tarawa: A Personal Perspective of Operation Enduring Freedom". Retrieved 2006-08-06.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)

• Rhodes, Cpl Shawn C. (April 8, 2003). "Task Force Tarawa Marines aid Iraqi Freedom Force in reclaiming town". USMC News. Story ID 20034109350. Retrieved 2006-08-06. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help) Reprinted on GlobalSecurity.org.

• "Task Force Tarawa Marines, lost but not forgotten". The Globe. Retrieved 2006-08-06. Reprinted on Leatherneck.com

• Natonski, R. F. "Message from the Commanding General 2nd MEB / Task Force Tarawa". Retrieved 2006-08-06. Looper — this is a good one

• "2nd Marine Expeditionary Brigade". War in Iraq. CNN.com. Retrieved 2006-08-07.

15th Marine Expeditionary Unit

This article is great! I'm almost afriad to touch it. It should make GA easily. Hey Looper, take a look at this Dr. Jose Celso Barbosa Post Office Building Designation Act and tell me what you think. Tony the Marine 00:41, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

• It was promoted today. Congratulations! Great work.... that makes 2 USMC articles is a short time. Which one next? ;-) — ERcheck (talk) 03:02, 8 August 2006 (UTC)