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[edit]According to the George Bournoutian's book, the toponym of Azerbaijan was used in reference to the territory of the contemporary Republic of Azerbaijan long before 1918.
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The Azerbaijani Khanates as mentioned in WP:SECONDARY
[edit]Маркова О. П. Россия, Закавказье и международные отношения в XVIII веке. М.: Наука, 1966. С. 176. Фатали-хан писал Екатерине II (в конце 1782 г.), что весь Азербайджан недоволен поступками царя Ираклия и Ибрагим-хана (заключением в тюрьму гянджинского и ереванского ханов). Он, Фатали-хан, «за должность свою признал, чтобы честь и право адырбайджанских ханов защитить».
Айрапетов О. Р., Волхонский М. А., Муханов В. М. Дорога на Гюлистан… Из истории российской политики на Кавказе во второй половине XVIII — первой четверти XIX в. — М.: Книжный Мир, Международный институт новейших государств, 2014. — С. 180—181. — ISBN 978-5-8041-0673-8. Фирман Ага Мохаммед Шаха Каджара ко всем «адербайджанским» и дагестанским владетелям: Высочайший повелителя Персии фирман в том состоит, дабы известно и ведомо вам было, что удостоился уже я быть в Персии шахом; адербейджанские же ханы и владельцы все мне покорились, и я прибыл теперь с войском к стороне здешней с тем, чтобы наказать противников. Почему и можете вы прислать своего посланника с прошением и изъяснить все до вас касающееся, что, конечно, приму я за благо. Только пришлите ко мне нарочного своего с обстоятельным вашим прошением; по исполнении же сего и по мере услуг ваших, не останетесь вы без воздаяния (ссылка на Дубровин Н. Ф. История войны и владычества русских на Кавказе: в 6 томах. — СПб.: Тип. И. Н. Скороходова, 1886. — Т. 3. — С. 64.).
Левиатов В. Н. Очерки из истории Азербайджана в XVIII веке. — Баку: Изд-во АН Азербайджанской ССР, 1948. — С. 144. Один из современников Фатали-хана, полковник Бурнашёв, живший в Тбилиси в качестве уполномоченного российского правительства при царе Ираклии II, в 1786 г., в составленном им описании политического состояния областей азербайджанских писал следующее: «К теперешнему положению тех земель, которые под именем Адребиджани разумеются, начиная с севера прилежит Грузия, то есть царства Кахетинское и Карталинское; от востока море Каспийское и: провинция Гилян, от полудня область Ирак, от запада Туреция… Азербайджанских владельцев разделять должно на самовластных и зависимых, а первых — на могущих и маломощных. Дербентский или Куба-хан есть из числа могущих, почитают его довольно богатым, сила его собственная состоит из 3000 человек, но к предприятиям важным против своих соседей призывает он как ближние Адербиджанские ханы, как-то: Нухинский, Ширванский и Шушинский, владельцев из Дагестана и приводит бродяг лезгинских…».
The term Azerbaijani (or Azeri) khanates is used by several authors:
Swietochowski, Tadeusz (2004), "Azerbaijani khanates and the conquest by Russia", Russian Azerbaijan, 1905-1920: The Shaping of National Identity in a Muslim Community, Cambridge, UK: Cambridge University Press, ISBN 0521522455,
In 1747 Nadir Shah, the strong ruler who had established his hold over Persia eleven years earlier, was assassinated in a palace coup, and his empire fell into chaos and anarchy. These circumstances effectively terminated the suzerainty of Persia over Azerbaijan, where local centers of power emerged in the form of indigenous principalities, independent or virtually so, inasmuch as some maintained tenuous links to Persia's weak Zand dynasty.
Thus began a half-century-long period of Azerbaijani independence, albeit in a condition of deep political fragmentation and internal warfare. Most of the principalities were organized as khanates, small replicas of the Persian monarchy, including Karabagh, Sheki, Ganja, Baku, Derbent, Kuba, Nakhchivan, Talysh, and Erivan in northern Azerbaijan and Tabriz, Urmi, Ardabil, Khoi, Maku, Maragin, and Karadagh in its southern part. Many of the khanates were subdivided into mahals (regions), territorial units inhabited by members of the same tribe, reflecting the fact that residue of tribalism was still strong.
Swietochowski, Tadeusz (1993), Russia's Transcaucasian Policies and Azerbaijan: Ethnic Conflict and Regional Unity // In a collapsing empire. Feltrinelli Editore, p. 190, An Armenian oblast' (district) was created on the territory of the former Azerbaijani khanates of Erivan and Nakhichevan, yet remarkably there followed no large scale manifestation of ethnic strife in the countryside.
Mostashari, Firouzeh (2006), "The Caucasian Campaigns and the Azerbaijani Khanates", On the religious frontier: Tsarist Russia and Islam in the Caucasus. I.B. Tauris, New York, ISBN 1850437718, The success of the Russian campaigns in annexing the Transcaucasian territories was not solely due to the resolve of the generals and their troops, or even their superiority over the Persian military. The independent khanates, themselves, were disintegrating from within, helplessly weakening one another with their internal rivalries. Strausz-Hupé, Robert; Hazard, Harry W. (1958), The idea of colonialism, Praeger, p. 77, In 1804 Russian troops occupied the khanate of Ganja, and this was followed by the surrender of several other autonomous Azeri khanates in western Azerbaijan.
Murinson, Alexander (2009), Turkey's Entente with Israel and Azerbaijan, Routledge, p. 2, The core territory of modern-day Azerbaijan, i.e. Shirvan, Quba and other Azeri Khanates in the Caucasus, served historically as place of refuge for Persian and later Russian Jews. Yemelianova, Galina M. (2009), Radical Islam in the Former Soviet Union, Routledge, p. 149, With the fall of the Safawid empire in 1722, a number of independent khanates emerged on the territory of modern Azerbaijan. Among them were the khanates of Bakı, Gəncə, Qarabağ, Quba, Naxçıvan, Şirvan, Şəki, and Şamaxı. By 1805, the khanates of Qarabağ and Şirvan had become protectorates of the Russian Empire. In two wars between Russia and Qajār Persia in 1804–1813 and 1826–1828, the Russians conquered other Azerbaijani khanates.
K., Firuz (1951), The Struggle for Transcaucasia, Templar Press, p. 6, All through the nineteenth century Russia kept driving southward. By the treaty of Gulistan (1813) she acquired Karabagh and Shirvan, as well as Talish. Thus the Azerbaijani Khanates were separated from Persia and added to the enormous body of the Russian Empire. Huttenbach, Henry R. (1990), Soviet Nationality Policies, Mansell, p. 222, The pattern of the Russian conquest varied: in some cases, notably in the Azerbaijani khanate of Ganja, the emirate of Bukhara, the khanate of Kokand and Turkmenistan, violence and bloodshed were involved.
Nahaylo, Bohdan; Swoboda, Victor (1990), Soviet Disunion. A History of the Nationalities Problem in the USSR, Simon and Schuster, p. 12, Its inhabitants being Shiite, the Azerbaijani khanate was more closely linked with Persia than with their Turkish kin. Peter the Great defeated Persia and annexed the Derbent and Baku regions of Azerbaijan in 1724. Batalden, Stephen K. (1997), The Newly Independent States of Eurasia, Greenwood Publishing Group, p. 110, The 1812 Treaty of Gulistan and the 1828 Treaty of Turkmanchai ended the two Russo-Persian wars and brought Azerbaijani khanates north of the Aras River under Russian control.
Allworth, Edward (1994), Muslim Communities Reemerge. Historical Perspectives on Nationality, Duke University Press, p. 47, One of the first consequences of the conquest was the gradual dismantling of the Azerbaijani khanates, the principalities that had formed the political structure of the country. The khanates of Ganja, Shirvan, Talysh, Baku, Karabagh, Sheki, Nakhchivan, Derbent, and Kuba disappeared, one after the other, for the most part during the 1830s and the 1840s, and the process of breaking up these traditional polities contributed to the weakening of deeply rooted local particularisms
Encyclopædia Iranica, "ĀḴŪNDZĀDA", H. Algar (link); The third comedy, Sargoḏašt-e wazīr-e Lankarān, written in 1851, satirizes corrupt and tyrannical rulers, and is set in the period of the Azerbaijani khanates, on the eve of Russian rule.
Northern Azerbaijan
[edit]Thus began a half-century-long period of Azerbaijani independence, albeit in a condition of deep political fragmentation and internal warfare. Most of the principalities were organized as khanates, small replicas of the Persian monarchy, including Karabagh, Sheki, Ganja, Baku, Derbent, Kuba, Nakhchivan, Talysh, and Erivan in northern Azerbaijan and Tabriz, Urmi, Ardabil, Khoi, Maku, Maragin, and Karadagh in its southern part. Many of the khanates were subdivided into mahals (regions), territorial units inhabited by members of the same tribe, reflecting the fact that residue of tribalism was still strong.
HoI vs Hew Folly
[edit]I noticed that HistoryOfIran's complaint against me is complex as it contains many issues.Hence, I added a new topic since the complaint was not specifically related to GA/AA violations. To make it easier, I shortened the username to HoI and created tables.
WP:OR, WP:SYNTH and other rules
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In his complaint, HoI claims that he repeatedly told me that my comments on a WP:RS was WP:OR and also WP:SYNTH[2]. On my page, he stated that I was posting WP:OR (or personal analysis) on a Wikipedia article'[3], but at the same time provided reference the talk page [4] [5] where I actually posted my comments. The problem is that according to WP:OR, this rule does not apply to a Talk Page[6]. That's why I asked him directly whether a Wikipedia article is equal to a Wikipedia talk page[7]. He dodged the question, and then came up with other rules, accusing me of continuing to do the same thing. That time, he didn't put WP:OR, perhaps realizing his mistake.Sadly, the next day, that is today, he again accused me of violating WP:OR just because I wrote my comments on the Talk Page[8]. HoI also misleads another user telling him/her not to use WP:OR on a talk page.[9] |
Source misrepresention
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In his complaint, HoI writes that he posted the old diff supposedly for convenient reading[11]. I wonder why he didn't do it in other cases. The thing is, two minutes after his first accusation of me distorting the source, he left a comment on my page, mentioned above, in which he also accused me of "omitting" parts of the source[12]. And I responded to all of them. HoI, by his own admission, did not read the entire text, marking it as TL;DR[13]. And that was the first time he falsely used the WP:OR rule in relation to my comments on the Talk page[14]. There was no discussion of false interpretation, yet. Later, he posted the copied text from the WP:RS book, the link of which I provided myself, claiming several times that I had allegedly 'misrepresented' the source because I had removed something from it. Later, he falsely claimed that I had “distorted the text” by removing the mention of WP:RS’s criticism of Azerbaijani scientists[15]. At that point, I realized that HoI had either not read my text, as he himself admitted, or was deliberately lying about the alleged falsification. In fact, not only did I correctly quote and interpret the text, but I also added a remark from the author of WP:RS[16], to which HoI himself did not completely refer in his misrepresenting remark[17], although it could have been to the advantage of his theses.The worst part is that I pointed this out to him several times [18][19][20] and he not only didn't admit his mistake but also wrote about in his complaint. |
WP:TENDENTIOUS
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I would like to remind you that the entire conversation took place on the Talk Page. Not on the article page. In his complaint, HoI claims that my comments were WP:Tendentious. [21]. This is not true, since I used various arguements. Basically, this complaint concerns the discussion of another topic - the reliability of Azerbaijani sources proper. According to HoI's claim[22], which he repeated in his complaint but with lesser sources[23], Azerbaijani sources cannot be considered reliable, by definition. I may be mistaken but I think that it is a form WP:Nationalist editing, specifically, this part[24]. My arguements were diverse. From the very beginning [25] I pointed out to him that there is not a single rule in Wikipedia that would prohibit the use of any Azerbaijani source as such. In order to strengthen my position, I put forward the opinion of one historian who recommended adding Azerbaijani and Turkish sources[26]. HoI initially left it unanswered, manipulating the WP:OR rules, which I did not violate on a Talk page. HoI also mistakenly or falsely called the expert a philosopher[27], to which I responded[28]. The problem is that most of his sources are targeting individual cases, proper, not a nation, as a whole, which is what I also told him about[29]. I also believe that using such sources on a wikipedia page and interpreting them in the way HoI does is WP:SYNTH. But that is another topic. He continued to make the same argument, although with the clarification that the Azerbaijani sources are unreliable due to the government interference[30]. In response, I told him that some sources from his list are related to Iran-governed institutions, despite the lack of academic freedom in the country[31]. I also pointed out that a number of his sources were written by dubious experts who have no connection to historical science[32]. Remarkably, he refers to them as 'leading experts'.[33]. In response to my comments, I got rudeness[34], accusation of 'hypocrisy'[35] and other violations of WP:NO personal attacks. However, it is another story. |