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The Template:TalibanBounty was nominated for deletion, on September 10th, 2007.

Specious claims

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The nominator claimed the imiage it included had nothing to do with the articles it was trasncluded:

Absent from the articles I have reviewed is any evidence that the poster was involved or even seen by the bounty hunters or other witnesses against the combatants, so we have a WP:OR or WP:SYNTH problem as well.

One of the wikipedians who concurred with the nominator wrote:

...none of the articles I looked at (for reference, I started at the top of the linked articles and went through at least 20) of them reference the poster...

My findings

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So, I have rechecked the first twenty articles that were transcluded. As I suspected, the claims of the nominator, and the other wikipedian, are wildly incorrect.

What I found was:

  1. Articles that directly quoted from the source where someone had stated the captive was sold fror a bounty -- and referenced at least one verifiable, authorititative source that supported that assertion.
  2. Articles that both explictly stated that someone had stated, often the captive himself, that he was sold for a bounty -- and referenced at least one verifiable, authorititative source that supported that assertion.
  3. Articles that explcitly stated that someone had reported the captive was sold for a bounty, where the reference link has expired. (I supplied new references in those cases.)
  4. Articles where the explicit statement that the captive was sold for a bounty -- but still referenced the captive's testimony, which did support that assertion. That is my bad. I have been busy.

That I applied the image, when I found a reference to the report that the captive was sold for a bounty, without promptly supplying a statement in the body of the article about the bounty was an unfortunate oversight. My apologies.

Referenced, with an explicit statement

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Articles that link to Template:TalibanBounty, that state that someone reported the captive was sold for a bounty, and contain references that support that link
name supporting reference supporting quote from wiki article
Ahcene Zemiri Zemiri v. Bush
Dereshteanu filed an affadavit with a US court where she attested that, to the best of her knowledge, her husband had no ties to terrorism. She reports that bounty hunters sold her husband to United States forces of $5,000 USD.
Abu Bakker Qassim Christian Science Monitor
In late 2001, Qassim was captured along with his compatriot A'Del Abdu al-Hakim by Pakistani bounty hunters.[1]
Abd al Malik Abd al Wahab Amnesty International
He was then sold by Pakistani forces to U.S. troops and sent to Guantanamo Bay.[2]
A Profile of 517 Detainees through Analysis of Department of Defense Data Second Denbeaux Report
440 of 517 detainees appeared to have been captured by bounty hunters, in return for a $5,000 reward.[3]
Qari Esmhatulla ARB hearing
When he denied their accusations they beat him, until he admitted their false allegations were true. He heard his captors anticipating the bounty he would fetch. They decided to claim he was captured with a grenade, in order to justify claiming the bounty. During his beating he suffered a head injury his Afghan told the Americans was inflicted in combat.[4]
Abdullah Khan CSRT
The bounty hunters who sold him to the US said he was Khairkhwa, in order to get a higher price for him.[5][6]
Guantanamo Bay detention camp The Guardian

Second Denbeaux Report

An Associated Press report claims that some detainees were turned over to the US by Afghan tribesmen in return for cash bounties [7] The first Denbeaux study reproduces copies of several of leaflets, flyers and posters the US Government distributed to advertise the bounty program.[3] Some of the posters were in comic form, to reach the bulk of the Afghan population, who are illiterate.

Shahzada (Guantanamo detainee 952) CSRT
That night Afghan forces, lead by a personal enemy of his, came to capture him. Shahzada blamed his enemy for denouncing him and his guests with false allegations. Shahzada mentioned the $5,000 bounty the Americans paid to those who denounced men they said were members of the Taliban or al Qaeda.[8]
Mohamed Abdullah Al Harbi CSRT
Al Harbi had wanted to call a witness, an Afghani, captured at the same time he was, who could testify that the Afghani bounty-hunters who captured them had offered to let them go, rather than hand them over to the Americans, if they could pay a ransom. But he only knew this individual by his first name - Mohamed.[9]
Nazargul Chaman CSRT
...described, during his Combatant Status Review Tribunal; being captured by bounty hunters in Kunoz before Ramadan, in 2001.[10]
Adel Fattough Ali Al Gazzar csrt
When Al Gazzar was asked why he thought the Pakistanis turned him over to the Americans. He responded that he believed he was sold for a bounty of $10,000.[11]
Abdul Rahman Abdullah Mohamed Juma Kahm CSRT
"He said he had been taken into custody in the city of Kunduz, held in the town of Sheberghan, and then 'bought' to Americans of cuba."[12]
Khalil Rahman Hafez CSRT
Unfortunately I was in the hands of the wrong people. They sold me and the Americans bought me. I was bought and put in their detention. I was only 16 years old at the time.[13]
Mustafa Ahmed Hamlily CSRT
Q. Why do you think you were arrested? [14]
A. From what I understand, the Pakistani Intelligence was under pressure from the Americans to deliver al Qaida operatives and other terrorists. The
Abdul Wahab ARB hearing
Wahab confirmed that there were many bounty hunters who sold innocent Afghanis to the Americans based on false denunciations. He believed he had been sold based on false denunciations.[15]
Muhammad Hamid Al Qarani CSRT
Al Qarani had stated he was caught in Karachi, Pakistan and sold to the Americans for $5,000. He said he was not a fighter. He denied ever having been to any training camps.[16]

Captives where I may have innocently crossed the barrier into WP:SYNTH

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I am innocent. I have read all the CSRT, and, with these two captives, it was obvious to me that their capture was rewarded with a bounty. Both of Nasrullah]'s companions reported they were denounced for a bounty. And the only serious allegations against him were based on his assocaiation with them.

Batayev didn't claim he was sold to the Americans. He said he was sold to the Taliban. Several other captives who were held in Mazari Sharif described seeing their Afghan captors being paid for them, by Americans, when they were turned over.

The inclusion of the image in thse two article predates my awareness of WP:SYNTH.

Articles that link to Template:TalibanBounty, that state that someone reported the captive was sold for a bounty, and contain references that support that link
name supporting reference supporting quote from wiki article
Nasrullah (Guantanamo detainee 951) CSRT
  • Abdullah Khan and Shahzada, both captured during the same set of raids as Nasrullah, claimed they were falsely denounced by those wishing to be rewarded with a bounty.[8][5][6] The allegations Nasrullah faced are based on his association with Abdullah Khan and Shahzada.
Ilkham Turdbyavich Batayev CSRT
Batayev was captured the next day by Northern Alliance forces. He was sent to Mazari Sharif, and he described his experience of the uprising there.
  • It is well documented that General Dostum, the warlord responsible for the prison at Mazari-Sharif, was paid a bounty for all the captives he turned over.

Referenced, but orginally lacking an explicit statement

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Articles that link to Template:TalibanBounty, that lacked the explicit statement that someone reported the captive was sold for a bounty, but still contained references that support that link
name supporting reference supporting quote from wiki article
Abdul Matin
Abdul Matin claimed that no one, other than his personal enemy, Akhammed Reim, the person who sold him to the Americans for a bounty would tell them that he was associated with the Taliban.[17]
Shabir Ahmed
Omar Rajab Amin
Abdul Halim Sadiqi

References

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  1. ^ "Innocent, but in limbo at Guantánamo". Christian Science Monitor.
  2. ^ Who are the Guantánamo detainees?, Amnesty International
  3. ^ a b Mark Denbeaux et. all., Report on Guantanamo detainees: A Profile of 517 Detainees (.pdf), Seton Hall University, February 8 2006 Cite error: The named reference "Denbeaux1" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).
  4. ^ Summarized transcripts (.pdf) from Qari Esmhatulla's Administrative Review Board hearing - pages 1-7
  5. ^ a b Allegations and response (.pdf), from Abdullah Khan's Combatant Status Review Tribunal - pages 59-63
  6. ^ a b Summarized transcripts (.pdf), from Abdullah Khan's Combatant Status Review Tribunal - pages 14-20
  7. ^ The allegations were in transcripts the U.S. government released in compliance with a Freedom of Information lawsuit filed by AP."404 error". Retrieved 2006-03-18. {{cite web}}: Cite uses generic title (help)
  8. ^ a b Summarized transcripts (.pdf), from Haji Shahzada'sCombatant Status Review Tribunal - pages 88-96
  9. ^ Summarized transcripts (.pdf), from Mohamed Abdullah Al Harbi'sCombatant Status Review Tribunal - pages 41-50
  10. ^ Summarized transcripts (.pdf), from Nazargul Chaman'sCombatant Status Review Tribunal - pages 30-34
  11. ^ Summarized transcripts (.pdf), from Adel Fattough Ali Al Gazzar'sCombatant Status Review Tribunal - pages 22-30
  12. ^ "Seven home from Guantanamo". Taipei Times. December 17 2006. Retrieved 2007-09-15. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
  13. ^ Summarized transcripts (.pdf), from Khalil Rahman Hafez'sCombatant Status Review Tribunal - pages 9-10
  14. ^ Summarized transcripts (.pdf), from Mustafa Ahmed Hamlily'sCombatant Status Review Tribunal - pages 16-20
  15. ^ Summarized transcript (.pdf), from Abdul Wahab's Administrative Review Board hearing - pages 174-186
  16. ^ Summarized transcripts (.pdf), from Muhammad Hamid Al Qarani's Combatant Status Review Tribunal - pages 4-7
  17. ^ Summarized transcripts (.pdf), from Abdul Matin's Combatant Status Review Tribunal - pages 23-50
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