User:Crossmr/incidentwithJakeb
This is the record of a long time incident with several users over a disagreement at Talk:James Kim
Users Involved
[edit]- Jake b (talk · contribs)
- Husond (talk · contribs)
- Samir (The Scope) (talk · contribs)
- Arizona
- McChord AFB
- Trialsanderrors (talk · contribs)
- Antandrus (talk · contribs)
- Comcast Cable Communications, Inc. Colorado
- Qwest Communications Corporation, Denver, Colorado
- Keesler AFB
- Herndon, Virginia
- SBC Internet Services
- Reston, Virginia
- Comcast Cable Communications, Bay Area
- Frisco, TX
Removal of Inappropriate comment
[edit]- During archival of a very busy talk page, I removed an off-topic and attacking comment by Jake b [1].
- After archiving I left template Template:mess1 on his talk page to remind him of the purpose of article talk pages [2].
- His response was a profane attack [3].
- I think used a template to leave him a warning about personal attacks [4].
- He responded with a condescending and insulting remark [5].
- I explained with a personal explanation of the policy and a suggestion for what he could do if he wanted to discuss the subject of the article in general.[6].
- His response was to question my ability to remind him of the guidelines and policies [7], and then blank the discussion from his talk page [8].
- My response was to restore the comments and answer his question, explaining that anyone can remind anyone of the rules [9].
- The talk page was blanked again at which point Husond and Samir stepped in and left a personal attacks template of their own, and a reminder [10].
- These were also removed by Jake [11].
- There were then several back and forth reverts by several editors during which Jake tried to own his talk page, including Husond, Samir and Khoikhoi (talk · contribs).I did not participate in this reversion, past my initial reversion when I answered his question.
- Several inappropriate comments were made on my talk page by Jake at this time of an insulting and derogatory manner [12] and [13].
- At this time Jake also edited as an IP [14] to make a harassing comment there, this was a Denver ip address from QWest.
- As this was entangled in a number of heated discussions on the Jame's Kim talk page, which involved several IPs, its hard to pin-point exactly when the anonymous harassment by jake b began.
Anonymous harassment
[edit]- At the height of the editing flurry surrounding James Kim, which occurred mid-December 2006, there were several IPs involved in editing attempting to include various material into the article which wasn't consistent with the policies and guidelines, this included things like speculating on things Jame's Kim should have done and various paragraphs about survivalist skills.
- As I cleaned up the article to keep it within the bounds of those various policies and guidelines material was removed that did not meet these, and some anonymous editors did not take that well. As such there was some harassing comments and vandalism to my user/talk pages. As such the following occurred which is, or likely is directly related to the editing of that article:
- user page vandalism
- user page vandalism
- recent user page vandalism
- My talk page and user page are littered with it for more examples.
On going harassment
[edit]- After the discussions and debates on the James Kim talk page died down, there was still some harassment that seemed to be tied to the article.
- A summary of some of the on-going harassment is here in a thread removed from the talk page by Antandrus [15]. Several IPs are involved making disparaging remarks, including: 71.139.22.222 (talk · contribs), 131.22.200.64 (talk · contribs), 24.116.200.178 (talk · contribs) and 71.237.47.85 (talk · contribs)
- 71.237.47.85 comment on the kim talk page is a Colarado IP using the same terms which Jake B was previously using. [16], However this is from a different ISP called Jumpstart.
- During this time, the 131 range (an air force base) as well as the 24.116.200.178 user (Arizona) vandalised my user page and talk page several times.
- On February 15th the 24.116.200.178 user began harassing me via the James Kim talk page, as well as my user and talk page almost relentlessly. At first it seemed to be more of the intermittent and latent harassment I was getting on the talk page, but it quickly escalated to a full time issue.[17].
- This includes several insults and personal attacks as well as reverting the removal of the unproductive material from the talk page to further the harassment.
- The individual was blocked for 2 days on February 18th for trolling, and then again on February 25th for 1 week for continuance of the behaviour [18].
- The IP then threatened to return [19] in a week and continue the behaviour or evade the block to do so.
- After the 24 IP is blocked, the 131 IP from the air force base picks up and continues the harassment by leaving its own message and restoring one from 24.[20].
- [21] 131 is blocked for harassment
- My talk and user pages are semi-protected [22].
Connection to Jake b
[edit]- At first there was no indication which, if any, editor this was who'd previously had a disagreement with me on the article talk page.
- During this edit the IP indicated that they likely had an account [23] at which point I began checking their contributions for a clue as to who this was and which grudge they were nursing.
- On February 21st the IP had edited [24] the Shelley Winters article.
- This article was previously in the month edited by Jake B. [25].
- It seems extremely unlikely that a low traffic article like that one would be frequented by two different individuals from the James Kim talk page with the same complaint and both known for harassing incivil behaviour.
- A check use confirmed that the 24... was Jake b.[26].