User:Bretonbanquet/Talk Archive

Welcome!

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I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you have any questions, check out Wikipedia:Where to ask a question or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome! Thanks again for your contributions, I see you have helped out quite a lot!! Mceder 02:26, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank you! Bretonbanquet 14:34, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Then Play On

I've put in bids on copies of the LP. I'll keep ya posted.... :) --Sojambi Pinola 17:36, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Cheers! I appreciate it! Bretonbanquet 23:51, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

It just arrived...can't wait to get home. --Sojambi Pinola 16:19, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Dang!! Different! Subtle, but yes. more soon. --Sojambi Pinola 23:19, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Cool - let me know what the differences are! Bretonbanquet 00:50, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Email me offline and I'll send a CD. --Sojambi Pinola 23:52, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Having problems with the wiki email - it keeps telling me I'm not logged in. I tried the address on your user page but my mail came back to me. Bretonbanquet 17:58, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Try again Saturday. I just updated it. --Sojambi Pinola 06:27, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Still no luck - tried a few times. I activated my Wiki email now, but it tells me you're not available. Any ideas? Bretonbanquet 23:27, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia survey

Hi. I'm doing a survey of Wikipedia editors as part of a class research project. It's quick, anonymous, and the data will be made available to the Wikipedia community later this month. Would you like to take part? More info here. Thanks! Nonplus 00:11, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

F1 portal featured article

The F1 portal (in which I assume you have some degree of interest, as your name is listed on Wikipedia:WikiProject_Formula_One) is intended to have a regular rotation of a 'featured article'. I've swapped a few in and out over the last couple of months, but I think it would be better if there were more of a community attempt at deciding this, proposals, votes, that kind of thing. So - why not pop over to Portal_talk:Formula_One#Suggestions_for_Featured_Article: and make a suggestion. Ta. 4u1e 00:24, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

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Cock-up

from Evlekis; only this year, 20 years after Phil Lynott's tragic death have I started playing my old Lizzy music, and it totally escaped me that Darren Wharton's first contributions were on Renegade, not T&L. This leaves my recent edit erroneous! I shall make a slight adjustment. Feel free to chop and change it where you think it falters. 16 June 2006

Britain/England

I'd like to talk with the guy who insists on removing every reference to Britain or the UK that he sees, replacing it with "England". In case he's not aware, England is not an independent country, and people born in the UK are British. The nationality is British, these people are citizens of the UK.

He's not registered of course, so I'm asking him to register, be upfront and discuss it, rather than just reverting his crappy edits every single day.

Selected articles on Portal:F1

Hello again.

I dropped notes round a while back to those who have listed themselves at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Formula_One to ask for suggestions for selected articles on portal:Formula One. There was a pretty good response, both in terms of how it might work and of articles suggested. Damon Hill came out with the most support and was brought up to Good Article standard after a lot of work by Skully Collins before going on as the F1 portal selected article a couple of weeks ago. It is now at Featured Article Candidates as a Featured Article candidate (why not drop by and see if you can help polish it further?).

Several people who responded to the original request suggested that a monthly or bi-weekly 'Selected Article' could act as a catalyst for an improvement drive to get more articles up to a higher standard. Although it wasn't quite what I had in mind when I started, this seemed to work pretty well for the Damon Hill article, so I've drafted up a process for doing this more regularly. See Portal_talk:Formula_One/Management_of_selected_articles for details. Essentially the suggestion is that we vote for an article to improve every couple of weeks and at the end of the improvement process the article goes on the portal as the new 'Selected Article'. I'd be grateful for any comments on how this might work - I'm sure some of you are more familiar with things 'Wiki' than me - as well as your votes for the next candidate (by 16 July).

You may also want to help with the article Gilles Villeneuve, which was the next most popular after Damon Hill. The idea is to try and get it up to GA standard by 16 July and then put it on the portal as the 'Selected Article'. I hope you can help! 4u1e 15:05, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: Personnel / Credits

I was changing "Personnel" to "Credits" because I was asked to do so here. It seems that it became a standard at WikiProject Albums after rather brief discussion some time ago. To be honest, I'm indifferent to the matter bacause I'm not a native English speaker and I don't really know which term is better. I didn't mean to do anything controversial with AWB so I'm stopping to make this change for now. Please consider discussing this at WikiProject Albums because if the term "Personnel" is somehow more adequate it should be restored to the guideline. Regards, Jogers (talk) 20:24, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

OK Thanks for your reply. My opinions aren't going to be of interest to anyone else, I suspect, but I'll try. Thanks again. Bretonbanquet 21:09, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Citing Azdrubal Fontes Bayardo

Hi, I noticed you asked for assistance for citing sources in the Bayardo article. I'm no expert on the matter, but I think the best places to look are Wikipedia:Citing sources (a guide to when, where, how to cite) and Wikipedia:Citation templates which gives a good guide for the usage of various templates available for citing things like books, websites, etc. For specific citations that would require footnotes (eg for a direct quote or exact figure for something), have a look at m:Cite/Cite.php, which is for the new footnote style (basically where you want the little number you put <ref>(...citation...)</ref> and where you want the full list of references, you type <references/> and it is automatically generated). If you need a specific example, have a look at the source of the Mark Webber article. Hope this is of some help. – AlbinoMonkey ^(Talk) 11:41, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Drivers Championship final standings 1981–90

Please see my most recent entry on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Formula One#Drivers Championship final standings 1981–90 – I hope you'd like to comment. --Fred Bradstadt 08:35, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Request for comments

Feel welcome to add your statement to Talk:English people#Request for Comment: Peoples related to the English. This is a necessary step in dispute resolution. Regards, E Asterion ^{u talking to me?} 20:41, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for inviting my comments :o) Bretonbanquet 23:07, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Leo Kinnunen

Thanks for your compliments but I must direct them to the author of the Forix article, which I found very interesting. Thanks also for updating the results table and improving the grammar. It was one of my first major edits on Wikipedia, so I was hoping someone would correct my biggest mistakes. Prolog 12:14, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

AC/DC Rock N' Roll Hall of Fame Induction

Hi, This is with regard to the portion of the AC/DC page dealing with their induction into the Hall of Fame.I'd included the quote from Steven Tyler, who inducted them and also the quote from Brian Johnson (part of the acceptance speech). Both or the latter one, keep getting removed due to one reason or the other. I have included both citations on the discussion page and also removed the portion referring to 'audience laughter', in the hope that the quotes would then merit inclusion. I would like your views on this, as you are a regular contributor to the article. The Archer 22:01, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

England/UK

Please don't be offended - for what its worth I don't think the situation at present is ideal either and this isn't the way I would phrase things if I was writing this for myself. I completely sympathasie with your position but it would be a shame if this disuaded you from contributing to other Cornwall articles, many of which are in need of attention. I think that the best way of promoting Cornwall is to improve the articles - I started a wikiproject some months back for this very purpose. We would be happy to listen to any suggestions you have on the discussion page. Take care Mammal4 19:35, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your message, I appreciate it. I also appreciate that my mood may have shown through in my comments somewhat - I don't mean to sound quite as stroppy as that. It does bother me though that I write an article, albeit a very minor one, which no-one else was interested in writing, and some unconnected busybody alters it to suit him/herself, despite being totally disinterested in the substance of the article itself. Still, you're right of course. I will check out the portal. Thanks again. Bretonbanquet 19:42, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

AC/DC edits

Thanks for noticing my edits :) You've made quite a lot of great edits yourself. I've just been going along and changing things that I think improve the flow of various articles. Could you tell me which articles you think didn't need it? I'd be happy to discuss it with you. As for the years, I'm not sure if it's policy or not, but in articles relating to music just like to wikify the years to show, for example, 2006 in music. I've seen it done on countless other articles and I think it's useful showing what else happened in that year, music-wise. HK51 20:16, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Ah, I see where I've been a bit of a nuisance! You don't sound like an a$$hole, far from it. I'm just a perfectionist by nature and can be a bit pedantic at times. Sorry for being annoying! I'll remember not to be like this in the future. Upon thinking about it, it must be rather irritating to have someone going round doing really really minor edits like that! Sorry. Hope to see you around :) HK51 20:33, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

No problem, thanks for understanding. Keep up the good editing, and keep enjoying it too! Bretonbanquet 22:24, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Tom Pryce

Hey There - Thanks for the comments about the Pryce article. Being Welsh, I thought we'd lost a true champion and in my personal opinion: he was much better in the rain then Senna and Schumacher - If you read the legacy part of the article. Anyway, glad your liking how the article is coming along and thanks for your copyediting (4u1e usually copyedits for me!) ...and no, I perfectly don't mind you copy editing the article. Once again thanks for the compliments. --Skully Collins _{Review Me! Please?} 18:54, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

AC/DC/Moxy vocalist link

I don't edit the AC/DC article very often but it pops up in my VandalProof window quite often so I check in to see what's happening from time to time. I had never noticed the "Moxy mention" before and when you pointed out that a ref was needed I thought I'd dig to see if one was available. There is a brief mention of the Bon-Buzz connection here. You can use it if you want. I noticed after you tagged it, User:No-Bullet rm'd it completely. It's not really that important but...since a cite was avilable...it adds some flesh to the paragraph. My own personal interest???...In the late 70's a very young Anger22 played in a band that opened shows for a long list of Canadian Hard rock bands including Triumph, April Wine, Frank Marino & Mahogany Rush, Teaze, Goddo and also a few with Moxy. So seeing them ref'd into an AC/DC article was rather interesting.(to me anyways) Cheers Anger22 23:57, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Formula edits

I agree hat "Born in London, he took part etc." is poor style. It could be changed to "He was born in London. He took part etc.". Anyway, the format for dates/places of births is clearly stated at Wikipedia:Manual of Style (biographies) in the way I put it. No need of consensus, I seem. Sorry also for the lack of comments, sometimes I go too fast. Ciao and good work. --Attilios 11:42, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

I remember that somewhere was exactly explained that the place of birth was to be put otherwere than the initial lines, but frankly I can't find it anymore. Maybe it's been changed. Anyway, in the section Wikipedia:Manual of style (dates and numbers) are shown clearly the ways to put dates of birth/death, and they don't contain the places. Further, I'm not planning to change all 900 F1 articles. I you check my contrib pages, you'll see I'm changing some random articles, mainly adding flags to GP articles; I change the style of some biographies of people I don't know the nationality while adding flags. Ciao and thanks.--Attilios 11:57, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

quitting WPF1?

sorry to hear you've chosen to quit WikiProject F1... hopefully you will still be contributing to the F1 articles at least. For what it's worth I think you are doing a great job. – AlbinoMonkey ^(Talk) 13:42, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Problems with Wikipedia

Hi. Just read your talk page. I know exactly what you mean regarding some editors, but I think (hope!) you will find that the Michael Schumacher article is improving steadily at the moment. I'm sure there will be problems again in the future, but with several of us working at it and administrators intervening to cool things down when appropriate it's coming along nicely.

Whenever I find it all too stressful I retreat to editing Brabham - a team that's been dead for 14 years doesn't seem to excite much interest from the disruptive individuals! 4u1e 17:33, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for that - the Schumacher article has certainly improved lately, and I am still watching it and all the other articles I worked on. You're right about quieter articles being easier to work on, though I did experience many problems with articles on drivers so forgotten that they had no article at all, yet as soon as I wrote one, people wanted to come along and change it all around... Bretonbanquet 14:35, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm probably guilty of fiddling with 'other people's' article myself, but I hope that at least I'm open to discussion on it! Hope you'll feel you want to return to contributing at some point (you've made a lot of helpful contributions, as I remember), but as I say, I can understand the frustration. Regards. --4u1e 15:20, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

F1 tamplate

Please reply to the discussion topic I have started on the template on the talk areea of the F1 project.--Lucy-marie 23:55, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

User page vandalism

No problem, I think the guy's fairly new so have been keeping a watch on the edits he's doing because he doesn't seem familiar with policies/customs here yet (it flagged up when he changed something in the 94 San Marino article as well as changing Tom Pryce to Welsh nationality from British and other F1 related stuff). I don't think it was intended to be malicious however as he has made some edits that have improved articles. Alexj2002 20:32, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Midnight In San Juan

Hi, can you go back and fix what you did to the Midnight In San Juan page, please? It now reads "Midnight n San Juan", which is clearly wrong. Thanks. Bretonbanquet 13:37, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Sheesh, how dumb of me. I moved it (and its talk page) back to the old name, then to the title I'd meant to move it to — Midnight in San Juan — in order to leave a logical edit history and to quickly get rid of the useless typo'd name. Sorry about the confusion. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 16:15, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Ricardo and Pedro Rodríguez

Hello! May be you can help me. Please see the brothers Ricardo Rodríguez (Formula One) and Pedro Rodriguez (racing driver). I think Pedro is also written with "í" Martin

Yes, you're right - it should be with an "í". I can't change it myself but I will ask someone who can do it quickly. Thanks for letting us know! Bretonbanquet 22:23, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Fermín Vélez

Sorry, that I write to you again... But I have no idea, whom I can ask... Do you know, who can change Fermin Velez to "Fermín Vélez"? Thanks Martin

Done - managed to do it myself :o) Bretonbanquet 00:40, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Van Kriedt article

Hey, I noticed you're edits to the Larry Van Kriedt article and was wondering if you were aware of User:82.47.217.44 (Talk • Contribs)? He was deleting portions of text and adding in unsourced information into the article the other day and after I left him a talk page comment...he claims he is actually Van Kriedt! I was wondering how we approach this?

He claims a large amount of the text (the stuff he deleted) was false, and well, I'm not sure whether it's best to go with what the sources say or whether to go with him (if he can prove he is actually Van Kriedt). Because, well, he was there at the time and stuff...then again, I'd expect him to be a bit biased, as this diff shows: http://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Larry_Van_Kriedt&diff=95940215&oldid=95939870. Cheers. ĤĶ51→^Łalk 16:47, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

The re-instated info on Larry Van Kriedt and the sources you are quiting from are catagorically wrong. Larry Van Kriedt never re-joined AC/DC. Any publication saying he did is eroneous, sorry.

82.47.217.44 17:48, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeh! This is quite exciting! I'll leave a comment on his talk page asking for proof of who he is. If he can prove he is Van Kriedt, you're right, an admin would need to be involved I think. We'll see where this goes though. Merry Christmas! ĤĶ51→^Łalk 17:50, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi. I am Larry Van Kriedt. How would you like me to prove it to you. I'd be happy to. I am not sure how to do that on the net...

My sign in name is here... Jazzbacks 18:15, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

TEDDY PILETTE BIO

Dear Sir,

COULD YOU PLEASE STOP changing my father's name ALL THE TIME???? He is not born Pilette-Vlug, but Pilette. My grand-mother married Jan Vlug about 30 years after my father came into this world!

Regards,

Alexandre Pilette —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.9.36.173 (talk) 12:21, 6 January 2007 (UTC).

What you have to understand is that this information came from an outside source, which is cited in the article. Changing it without even removing the cite, or using the discussion page, just looks like vandalism, hence I keep changing it back. If the information is wrong, change it properly and provide a source as confirmation, or put the information on the talk page so we can all understand who you are and why you are right. Apologies if it annoyed you, but I'm sure you accept that I was only relying on an otherwise reliable website for my information, and you never identified yourself before. Cheers, Bretonbanquet 14:53, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

A small "Wiki-token"

		The Original Barnstar
		For all your contributions to Fleetwood Mac related articles... especially for the work on the Danny Kirwan, Peter Green and Jeremy Spencer pages. Well done! Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 19:18, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

It was overdue. Good dedication/determination to articles related to a single topic is worth a little recognition. I really like seeing the info on the "Pre-Rumours" band that everyone forgets about. The band has an intersting history and your work on the topic is really seaming it all together. And try to leeway me a little on my "nasty with good intentioned critical commentaries"(they are rare on Wikipedia). After reverting 200-300 vandals per day...sometimes I just crack the lash to vent. But it usually has a "pro-encyclopedia" purpose to it. Really :) . Cheers and take care! Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 01:02, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

A Favour

Not sure if you're familiar with Terry Kath? He was the original guitarist for the band Chicago. Many people can't stand the band's music....but Kath was a completely unique guitarist. A while ago I stumbled upon the guitarist's article and was shocked at what I found. It was the most poetic, uncited fancruft(understatement) I had ever read. I took some time to clean up the text and put a few {ref} tags on some of the more obvious text. Here-in lies my problem. An anon IP(range w. 1 user) had taken EXTREME ownership of the article and went on an edit war to keep re-adding all the crap. I had an admin intervene and the IP slowed somewhat. Earlier this week I thought the trouble was going to start over after the IP returned from Christmas break and immediately rv'd the article back to their own favourite version. Since then I have managed to begin some amount of civil dialogue with the editor about Wikipedia policy. You can read some of the IP's comments on my talk page. He strongly believes citations are messy and NOT required ...and that it should be written as a tribute for the enjoyment of the guitarist's fans. Sorry for the long-worded history but I wanted to give you the background. I know you're busy with your own Wikiprojects...but could you add the Terry Kath article to your watchlist and monitor it for any "edit-gaffs". And, maybe if you have the time you could give it a read-over and maybe even a half decent copy-edit. By all means {fact} tag it where ever you see fit to tag it. I would appreciate anoither set of eyes watching it as I am in the middle of a whirlwind business trip and only able to pop in/out of Wiki. Thanks, cheers and take care! Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 01:47, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for adding it to your list. Actually, last night the fanboy took on such extreme attack across several articles to the point where I had to call in an admin favour and get the articles semi-protected. I expect the semi-P will be temporary. Once it's removed I can almost guarantee the IP range(128.100.X.X) will go straight into "let's make it a starry eyed teen magazine fanpage" mode :) . Cheers and take care! Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 00:33, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Schumacher talk page

Hi. Yes, but saying he's not a reliable source is an opinion. Perhaps I misunderstood you and perhaps you read too much into my comments, I didn't intend to offend you. I just think getting into 'he's not a suitable source' is a slippery slope. Overall it's that issue and not the logic of the actual statement (which I agree is lacking) that bothered me. Mark83 21:25, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your generous comments, because despite my comments defending myself I thought I had maybe overstepped the line. I'm glad you realised there was no offence intended. And I agree with the current direction of the debate, i.e. Jordan's comments are an over-simplification. Best regards. Mark83 00:48, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Driver place of birth

Hi Bretonbanquet. I notied that earlier today, you updated Tony Brise to include his place of birth and death in the opening sentence. Yesterday User:Attilios was changing a lot of driver articles to remove the place of birth and death from the opening sentence. I'm not sure which style (if either) if preferable according to the MOS, but you may care to discuss the matter with Attilios, otherwise you might find him undoing some of your edits. Regards. DH85868993 22:17, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Driver career summary tables

Hi Bretonbanquet. I've noticed that in the driver career summary tables you've updated recently, you've been making the contents of the WDC and Points columns bold. I think it looks good. Shall we adopt that as the standard? (The current standard for driver tables says that the WDC and Points columns should only be bold if the driver finished in the top 3 in the WDC). BTW, you are are a career-summary-table updating machine! As you may (or may not) have noticed, I'm working my way methodically backwards through the alphabet, updating the "really old style" tables. Every so often I pause when I get to a "big one", but I'm forcing myself to do them in order, because I figure that if I just "hunt and peck", I'll just do all the small/easy ones and the big/hard ones will never get done! DH85868993 23:51, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Former F1 driver infoboxes

Hi Bretonbanquet. I noticed your recent updates to some former F1 driver infoboxes. Can I ask a favour - if you do any more, could you please add in the "Points" field at the same time? - it will save me having to do it later on. You can get the driver's total points either by adding up the points in their results table, or from List of Formula One drivers. Thanks. -- DH85868993 23:51, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

three reverts?

You are aware that no editor should revert to the same version more than three times in any 24hours? The official policy that applies is Wikipedia:Three-revert rule. Please stop.--Alf ^melmac 19:44, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

hey there

Hi Bretonbanquet... yes, between cooking and doing laundry, I've been entertaining myself with the same spiel :)) -- I think it's deteriorated into a bit of a pointless vendetta, one joker in his/her underwear, but apparently without linguistic ability, trying to make a dent in the world. I'd be inclined to let it go by way of discussion, but seeing that we've been doing a lot of work as authors on some of the affected articles, they've become quite dear to me... don't like to see them defaced by yobs. I'll be away for a few days, but I'll be back--with a vengeance if necessary!! All the best to you. Malljaja 21:04, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Pasty

Hello. I'm in agreement with the recent revert you made to Pasty. You may already know about them, but you might find Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace useful. After a revert, these can be placed on the user's talk page to let them know you considered their edit was inappropriate, and also direct new users towards the sandbox. They can also be used to give a stern warning to a vandal when they've been previously warned. Thank you. —David Johnson [T|C] 09:40, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Lance Macklin

Please do not re-insert edits made by sockpuppets of banned editors, their edits are reverted per the banning policy. Thanks. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 11:55, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

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F1 driver results tables

Hi Bretonbanquet. Just wanted to say I think you're doing a fantastic job with the F1 driver results tables. DH85868993 16:26, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

With regards to the date It is in my opinion not relevant as the test drivers were only introduced in 2003 and are still going today the date implies that the friday testing has ceased for the 2008 season. In my opinion It should be either 2003- or no date at all. Also the addition of the dates does not seem to fit with the overall view and feel of the table.--Lucy-marie 09:46, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Don't Stop song

It needs clarifying who actually sings the song. It is proven that Christine McVie wrote it, but it is unclear as to who actually sings the song. It sounds like one person to me, and probably Lindsey Buckingham, but it does need clarifying in my opinion. I did mention this on the discussion page some time ago.

The Special Barnstar

		The Special Barnstar
		Your continuous updates of infoboxes on Formula 1 articles is so very much appreciated. In recognition of your excellent work, I award you this Special Barnstar. Well done, and keep up the good work! :-) Lra drama 08:41, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

You're very welcome, happy editing! Lra drama 11:53, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Fleetwood Mac Greatest Hits (1971 album)

Hey there. There is a version of the album with the alternative tracklisting I posted - just check out this link... http://www.amazon.co.uk/Greatest-Hits-Fleetwood-Mac/dp/B000006XAM/ref=sr_1_2/203-9224407-1531939?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1184711952&sr=1-2

Barnstar

		The Barnstar of Diligence
		You just beat me to correcting Kimi Raikkonen's results table! This typifies the effort you put in after each Grand Prix to ensure all of the articles are correct, and I think it deserves this barnstar. Enjoy! :) --Diniz (talk) 13:43, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

My pleasure.--Diniz (talk) 14:09, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Re:Ralph Firman

You're welcome. DH85868993 11:27, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

The Chain

Why did you revert my edit? 124.182.192.225 11:31, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Because it wasn't referenced - find a source and put it back if you like, but statements need referencing, especially if they're a little contentious like that one. Bretonbanquet 11:49, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Expressing POV through edit summaries

I'm suprised you wished to associate yourself with the comments "According to the biased British media (well ITV) Alonso is the antichrist, and at the end of time, the saviour, Lewis Hamilton, who can do no wrong, will rise up and defeat Alonso once and for all." Mark83 21:07, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, I can't say I disagreed with those comments, albeit they were exaggerated, but I did revert them. It's probably best that people stick to judging my edits rather than my edit summaries. Bretonbanquet 21:29, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Of course it's your edits that are important, but if you're suggesting showing good judgement in your edit summaries isn't important - well I have to disagree. Mark83 21:59, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

I have no problem with you or any of your edits, in fact I think they're always good work, but I really don't mind if you disagree with my edit summaries. Bretonbanquet 22:03, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Well thanks for the compliment. Maybe I should take the opportunity to back track a bit - I think you do good work too, e.g. just today the vandalism reversions. I guess my point is with an edit summary such as the one I quoted you're leaving yourself open to unfair assessments being made. Best regards. Mark83 23:24, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments. I take your point, but hopefully people will just take issue with my editing and leave it at that. Cheers :) Bretonbanquet 19:24, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Mining League

No problem, I just wish there was more info on this league available on line for me to add..... ChrisTheDude 22:32, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Maybe more leagues should adopt that approach. If the players at my team, Gillingham, didn't realise they were bottom of the table they might start scoring the odd goal!!!! :-) ChrisTheDude 10:27, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Dear Bretonbanquet, thanks for your suggestions. There is almost nothing to be proved Jorge de bagration is the most senior member of the Georgian Royal family with the titulus George XIV of Georgia. Therefore, he is Grand Master of the Order of Eagle of georgia, as all the other Bagration-Mukhranski princes used to be. All this information is available on the external links of Jorge Bagration title. Once again thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gegelia (talk • contribs) 23:40, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Results tables

Hi. No problem, if you hadn't mentioned it I probably would have waded in myself anyway! As for the rowspanning, it's not something I feel amazingly strongly about, but I just feel that keeping the table dividing in one direction (i.e. you go from "year", which spans all entries that season, to "entrant", which spans all entries from that team that season, down to "chassis" and "engine") is a fairly logical and easy to read structure. To then reunify rows just for the engine before splitting them again for the results is a little untidy and harder to read. Pyrop e 09:53, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi Bretonbanquet. I feel the same way about the rowspanning - I'd prefer not to have it, but I don't feel strongly about it. By the way, sorry for not participating in the discussion on the WP:F1 talk page - I was away for the weekend and by the time I got back, the discussion was all over. DH85868993 11:22, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Brundle results tables

I just counted again the results on Brundle's table, and it reads one race more than you say. Unless you're not counting the Monaco race from which he was excluded, but that still should count as an entry, shouldn't it? Anyway, I didn't revert my edits. Let's sort it out here first. Cheers. JimboB 16:39, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Don't you intend to answer? JimboB 20:46, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

My apologies, I meant to look into it then clean forgot. Thanks for reminding me. I just found that the 1985 Dutch Grand Prix had been entered in the table twice, my mistake when I made the table. It should now show the correct amount. Bretonbanquet 20:57, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Oh, ok then. I'll correct the data where I happened to change it, then. Thanks. :-) JimboB 12:19, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Removing charts on infobox

17Drew already explained about it and every time i delete chart positions, i do explain in the edit summary. BritandBeyonce ^{(talk•contribs)} 03:18, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Re:NC

Hi again! I'm not totally sure, but I think 2001 or 2002. That's when the "Formula One Yearbook" (Parragon/Chronosports) makes the distinction in team histories. Unfortunately, I don't have access to any of my F1 books at the moment, because I'm at university, so please remind me to get back to you in December!--Diniz (talk) 20:42, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Looking at the Minardi team history in the Formula 1 Yearbook 2004-2005, the team is not classified in 2000, then 11th - 0pt in 2001, whilst The Great Encyclopedia of Formula 1 waits until 2003 before making the distinction between the two methods of classification. Confusing!--Diniz (talk) 19:24, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar

on the 2008 F1 article. You said about that Barn star. I will gladly accept it. Thankyou very much!! Pattav2 06:28, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi there, I'm sorry, I was being sarcastic, which was probably a bit mean. I am not an admin, so I am not allowed to give barnstars. All the best, Bretonbanquet 12:14, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

I kind of knew that but i just wanted to see what would happen. Pattav2 (talk) 05:13, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Pardon me for jumping in here... but I had to correct your (mis)understanding of Barnstars. One does not need to be an admin to issue a barnstar to another editor. -- Longhair\^talk 18:44, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

I had no idea! Thanks :) Bretonbanquet (talk) 18:46, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Massimo Natili and Patrick Nève

Hi Bretonbanquet. I was wondering if you had a reference for Natili's participation in the 1961 Italian Grand Prix? It isn't mentioned at www.formula1.com, FORIX or in Mike Lang's Grand Prix!. I'm inclined to believe you're correct, but it probably needs a ref. Thanks. DH85868993 (talk) 04:53, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

And likewise for Patrick Nève's participation at the 1978 Belgian GP. Thanks. DH85868993 (talk) 05:05, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

1955 Belgian Grand Prix

Hi Bretonbanquet. Do you have any references for Harry Schell and Piero Taruffi non-starting at the 1955 Belgian GP? They're listed at FORIX and they were added to the race report article by User:Crichard88 in March 2006. But they're not mentioned in Mike Lang's Grand Prix!, the race report at www.formula1.com [1] or Alan Henry's Ferrari The Grand Prix Cars. Thanks. DH85868993 (talk) 09:28, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

I found a ref for Taruffi: Sheldon & Rabagliati's Record of Grand Prix and Voiturette Racing, which lists Taruffi in a 4th Ferrari, but notes that "Ferrari had more drivers than entries". I transferred your ref for Schell's presence from his article to the race report article. DH85868993 (talk) 12:40, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Flags etc

Hello, and thanks for the contact.

Although WikiProjects do get some leeway with such issues, I can't say I agree with the logic, nor do I think it will last. Indeed, the flag is purely decorative - it adds nothing of value to the infobox or article, other than decorate the nationality field. Can you point to the discussion that codified the consensus? If the consensus was passed before WP:MOSFLAG, then MOSFLAG applies and you'll need to self-revert. If this wasn't the case, and a contemporary convention exists, perhaps you apply the project's convention on Colin McRae, where two flags appear to be there?

This said, WP:MOSFLAG is clear. Your first edit summary was bogus; sportsmen do not get any different treatment when it comes to the Manual of Style. Please be more careful with edit summaries and be familliar with the policies. Furthermore, if taking these articles forwards, these will not recieve WP:FA status as they are in breach of the manual of style. -- Jza84 · (talk) 22:18, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello again. I do stand by that your first edit summary was not appropriate or accurate. You said "flagicon used to represent nationality of a sporting figure as outlined in WP:MOSFLAG" ([2])- this is a bogus claim, as it certainly does not. It says for sporting events, and provides a link to a list article. I'm still not convinced of your second one too where you say "this is a F1 sporting infobox, and the flag denotes representative nationality, which in some F1 infoboxes, differs from legal nationality" ([3]) - but.... how does this aid in circumventing the Manual of Style? Why has your summary entry changed? And, again, what value does the flag add to the article?

I think you're misunderstanding what WP:MOSFLAG (written by the community, for the community) is there for. It is a good thing to apply. There are several statements in it, such as "Do not emphasize nationality without good reason", "Adding a country's flag next to its name does not provide additional encyclopedic information, and is often simply distracting", and "Never use a flag for birth or death place, since doing so may imply an incorrect citizenship or nationality" which render the use of a flag icon void in this instance. Please read it through again as it really is absolutely explicit on the use of flags here and I can't pretend it isn't. This isn't even a case of me not liking the Union Flag - I do, but I'm adhering to WP:NPOV.

Getting back to the issue at hand.... Flag icons in infoboxes are depreciated I did ask for where the WikiProject's discussion took place? I would like to review the discussion that you said exists and over-rides the Manual of Style. I am right to assume good faith that this was an extensive codification of this convention for F1 articles only aren't I? -- Jza84 · (talk) 22:50, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Brazilian-Britons

I thought (and think) the same thing as you. If you look at the article Brazilian British (to which the category is linked), you'll see that the way it is written it would actually include Piquet and Pizzonia (if he's still living here). I think that's because it's a daft definition myself, but the guy who added the categories may use that to justify his additions. Cheers. 4u1e (talk) 18:12, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, combine categories and nationality and you have a nicely toxic mixture! 4u1e (talk) 18:21, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Non-championship results

Hi Bretonbanquet. Congratulations on the great work you're doing adding non-championship results to the F1 driver articles. I was wondering - do you have a definitive list of non-championship races that you're using to create the tables? Also, have you defined a list of standard abbreviations for the non-championship races? DH85868993 (talk) 23:16, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

I saw your reply to this on DH's page. Are you aware of The Formula One archives. If not, you might find it useful. Cheers. 4u1e (talk) 01:35, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Poldice

Thank you! I can't really take much credit for the photo - I found it on Geograph and uploaded it to commons from there, but I am glad you like it. Best wishes, DuncanHill (talk) 22:49, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Solitude Grands Prix

Hi Bretonbanquet. I noticed your recent created of 1961 Solitude Grand Prix, 1962 Solitude Grand Prix and 1964 Solitude Grand Prix. Good work! I'm planning to create a category to contain these articles and Solituderennen. Do you think I should call it Category:Solitude Grand Prix or Category:Solituderennen? Thanks. DH85868993 (talk) 06:26, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

AC/DC related source

On the AC/DC discussion page, you mentioned that you had found a cite for AC/DC being a British band, specifically in Classic Rock Magazine. I am very interested in seeing this particular article as I am interested in the subject of the band's nationality. If it is not too much to ask, I don't suppose you could post the link to the source? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.113.24.98 (talk) 19:31, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

F1 driver ratings

I'd just like to say a massive thank-you for tagging so many driver articles :-) ... This shoudl a big dent in the number of unrated articles (see Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Formula One articles by quality statistics in about two mins). Thanks once again. Tompw (talk) (review) 12:24, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I had some spare time so I thought I'd put it to good use! Bretonbanquet (talk) 12:27, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Your correction to "Mick Fleetwood"

The way you corrected the article (from "through its' [possessive] various lineups" to "through it's [contraction] various lineups") is grammatically incorrect, despite what you may think. If you expand the contraction (which you used), the sentence reads "through it is various lineups." I've been trying to teach my students for years what the difference is.

Trust me on this one - don't fight an English teacher when it comes to grammar usage.

BassPlyr23 (talk) 21:59, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

You are, of course, correct that my "correction" was wrong, and I was somewhat mortified to see what I had changed it to... Clearly "it's" is a contraction of "it is", and is not appropriate here. I have even corrected other people on this, so I am annoyed with myself.

But "its'" is also incorrect, no matter what you think. The edit I have made now ( to "its") is grammatically correct. The construction "its'" does not actually mean anything as far as I can see... Being an English teacher does not make you immune to mistakes. Bretonbanquet (talk) 22:25, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Infoboxes for non-champ F1 races

Hi Bretonbanquet. Thanks for your continued excellent work adding articles for non-championship F1 races. I was wondering though, why are you using {{Generic race report infobox}} rather than {{Infobox Grand Prix race report}} for the infoboxes? Thanks. DH85868993 (talk) 02:37, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

In the fullness of time, I think we should transition them all to use {{Infobox Grand Prix race report}}, since I believe the original intention was that it could/should be used for all Grand Prix races. However, note that {{Infobox Grand Prix race report}} currently appends "Grand Prix" to the end of the race name, which obviously isn't suitable for races like 1961 International Gold Cup. So, for the moment keep using {{Generic race report infobox}} and we can transition them once {{Infobox Grand Prix race report}} has been appropriately updated. DH85868993 (talk) 07:55, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

OK. I've changed them all over (including the one in your Sandbox). DH85868993 (talk) 09:20, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Un-tagging

I always get a chuckle when people take it personally about prod tags being removed. It's pretty tough to argue against notability for the two songs - despite the shape of each article. If they go AfD, so be it. That's what the process is for after a prod tag is removed. Tool2Die4 (talk) 20:38, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

RE:"Stoned Radiator"

I'm afraid I couldn't leave that one the way it was. I decided to change it quickly in case there was another dispute on the talk page. ;)-- Diniz (talk) 23:01, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Lewis Hamilton

I am contacting you for your thoughts as you are one of the principal contributors to this article. As you may or may not know, it has been nominated by PheonixRMB as a featured article candidate. The FAC is not going too well, with the current consensus being that the nomination is premature and that much work needs to done to get it up to the requisite standard. I would be grateful if you would express an opinion on the article's FAC candidacy page. As FAC is currently desperately short of reviewers, withdrawing the article – and thus saving reviewer time and effort – would be one option. Thanks for your time, --ROGER DAVIES ^talk 16:01, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

No action now needed as PheonixRMB has withdrawn the nomination. All the best, --ROGER DAVIES ^talk 16:52, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Sebastien Bourdais

Bourdais according to the F1 website did not finish that particular event.(Planecrash111 (talk) 23:22, 24 June 2008 (UTC))

JBSupreme

Excuse me there is a policy saying that you must state in the edit summary why you are removing content from Wikipedia, which he did. He did not leave an explanation in the edit summary, so I just told him to do that.(Planecrash111 (talk) 05:11, 28 June 2008 (UTC))

He deleted an edit about paint and sponsorships for Jeff Gordon. Please research a little harder before you accuse me of vandalism.(Planecrash111 (talk) 05:14, 28 June 2008 (UTC))

You did ask him to add an edit summary, but you appear to have not noticed than he did do that. He undid a revision that broke the formatting. In doing so, he removed a sentence about paint - yes. I added that back. He is very unlikely to have noticed that when he reverted because of the formatting error. Please assume Wikipedia:Assume good faith before accusing people of vandalism. I accused YOU of vandalism when you completely removed an entire results table from the same article for no reason - adding a completely inadequate edit summary. You accuse people of doing things that aren't anywhere near as bad as the things that you do yourself. You also removed content from someone else's talk page, which is not permitted. You have also vandalised a comment left by User:Falcadore on your own talk page, rendering it illegible, and then had the gall to pretend he wrote it like that in the first place! You accused him of not being able to write in compete sentences. Don't think that people can't see what you do - it's very obvious. You might want to adjust your behaviour on wikipedia if you want to stay active. Bretonbanquet (talk) 12:10, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

No he did the 1st time, but in his next edit he did not. Look harder. It did not break the formatting it just added a new section to replace the old one.(Planecrash111 (talk) 20:40, 28 June 2008 (UTC))

It did break the formatting of the title "Sponsorship and paint". That is almost certainly what the guy was reverting. He would not have needed to provide a more detailed edit summary than "Undid revision..." etc if that's all he was doing. The sentence that got deleted (which was hardly the greatest edit ever - part of it made no sense at all) was probably not even noticed. I wouldn't have noticed it myself, just the broken title formatting. It was hardly worth sending vandalism notices about - it looked absolutely nothing LIKE vandalism. How about the results table you deleted, saying it was "useless"? Bretonbanquet (talk) 20:55, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Just following your lead...

Who knows?... maybe you and I will be reverting our own reverts. But I don't believe in sooth-sayer editing I only believe in cold hard cites. If I see one I will gladly revert my recent rv's. But until then... Wikipedia is already over-populated with predictions and fairy-tale content. We have to work as a team to keep it clean. How've have you been anyways? It's been a while since we crossed paths. Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 23:36, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Jeremy Spencer

I have now added to the discussion. Tom Green (talk) 13:24, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Football infobox stats

When updating club stats in footballer infoboxes, please don't forget to update the pcupdate parameter (i.e. the date that informs the reader of when the stats were last updated). Cheers. --Jameboy (talk) 19:02, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

re:AC/DC

Hi. Thanks for the update on the new album release. Can't wait to hear it. With my reverts to that article well I was only reverting what looked like content removal or page blanking. Anyway thanks again for the update. Cheers Adam (talk) 21:56, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

re:AC/DC 2

Sorry if i came off the wrong way, i was just trying to highlight the October. My bad! kiac (talk) 06:56, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Re:Infobox links

I've got an hour spare. It won't take long (I hope)... D.M.N. (talk) 19:23, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

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