User:Bookku/Deletion discussions

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• https://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/22/us/muslim-women-seeking-a-place-in-the-mosque.html
• Women, Leadership and Mosques: Changes in Contemporary Islamic Authority. Netherlands, Brill, 2012.
• Katz, Marion Holmes. Women in the Mosque: A History of Legal Thought and Social Practice. Germany, Columbia University Press, 2014.
• Me and the Mosque
• Aminah Assilmi
• Islam and gender segregation#In mosques
• Women's prayer in Islam
• Inclusive Mosque Initiative
• Women as imams
• Women in Islam
• Women's Mosque of America
• women's mosque
• Islamic feminism Equality in the mosque , Equality in leading prayer

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RS in 2'nd para of the article Blasphemy in Pakistan says, ".. From 1947 to 2021, 89 Pakistanis were "extra-judicially killed over blasphemy accusations". This sentence besides ref, takes in to account referenced information from rest of the article and article 'List of blasphemy cases in Pakistan' .." There is some thing called Barelvi movement in South Asia otherwise thought to be peaceful but when comes to anti-blasphemy posturing is believed to take extreme positions as per RS. Competitive sectarianism and politics in the name of anti-blasphemy activism as per RS media reports, intellectuals and academic studies as root cause of extreme posturing in Pakistan. Good number of academic reliable sources are likely to be available to expand but minimum mention also got deleted from the article Barelvi movement. Since I did not see much point in restoring the same without enough eyes on the article, I just let that go.

When I received t/p intimation about Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion#Sar tan se juda (Urdu slogan) then I realized first following related sourced content has been deleted a year before with summary ".. Removing entire section - extraneous waffle: threatening language in Pakistani politics is not the subject .." If reliable sources are there about Pakistani socio-religious-politics having such angle, not only various Pakistani media persons admitting, the same has been reported in report of TRT world the official Turkish news agency and though dailytimes won't be RS on it's own but European parliament report may be primary source but very relevant.

Here is one primary source in Roaman Urdu page 76 talking about 'Sar Tan Se Juda' (Search on google books)

• Hussamul Haramain (Roman Urdu). N.p.,  Abde Mustafa Official .

Idk how this is a issue not to be covered in the article Beheading in Islam

Deleted section In Khutbah, sermons and protest sloganeering

Gul Bukhari in 'The Nation (Pakistan)' says that, taking benefit of average Pakistanis not having expertise in the Arabic language, fanatic clergy regularly quote other ayat of the Qur’an that had nothing whatsoever to do with blasphemy. They translate them to the unsuspecting believers to mislead them that ‘sar tan se juda’ (head cut off from body) is the prescribed Islamic punishment for blasphemy. In the TRT World, author Umer Bin Ajmal narrates own school experience in Pakistan, where in one of Urdu couplet for regular school assembly prayer was (Urdu:) “Sadarat mein, sifarat mein, wazarat mein, adalat mein; jo dekho deen ke dushman tou sar tan se juda kar do; (In presidency, in embassy, in ministry, in court; if you come across enemies of the faith, behead them).” According to Sohail Khattak and Noman Ahmed of 'The Express Tribune, Pakistan', in 2014 Professor Dr Muhammad Shakil Auj, the then officiating dean of Islamic Studies Faculty at the University of Karachi was gunned down. Police investigators suspected likely involvement of his own colleagues in texting and circulating blasphemy charges with message 'sar tan se juda (Beheading is the punishment)' against Auj, being not happy with the orientation of his research. According to Naila Inayat not only French President Emmanuel Macron’s defaced photos were pasted on the floors of a bazaars for people to step on, a female teacher in Islamabad based Islamic seminary Jamia Hafsa madrassa (of Lal Masjid) was recorded beheading an effigy of President Macron as teenage female students chanted ‘Ghustak-e-Nabi ki aik hi saza, sar tan se juda (Beheading is the only punishment for those who blaspheme the Prophet)’. According to Safdar Sial of Pak Institute for Peace Studies, traditional narratives of the Barelvis being followers of Sufism, peace-loving and moderate stands negated when it comes blasphemy-related issues. Pakistan Sunni Tehreek, came into being in 1990 to contest take over of the mosques and madrasas of the Barelvi school of thought by Deobandi and Ahle Hadith groups, then there slogan was "Jawaniyan lutaain gai, masjidain bachayein gai [We will sacrifice our lives to protect our mosques]" with anti blasphemy protest newer radical slogan adopted by them is "Tauheen rasalat ki ek saza, sar tan se juda (There’s only one punishment for a blasphemer and that is beheading). According to Zia Ur Rehman's geo.tv news report, Barelvi groups are politically exploiting the issue of blasphemy to exhibit their strength to counter the growing influence of Deobandi and Ahle Hadith groups. They started a trend of radicalisation, making it difficult to differentiate between them and jihadist groups. According to a Pakistani law enforcement official, they are a network of criminals mainly involved in extortion cases and targeted killings. turned into Minister for Parliamentary Affairs of Pakistan, Ali Muhammad Khan defended a later-deleted Tweet post in which he said: "There is only one punishment for insulting the Prophet - chopping off the head", Ali Khan insisted that, he believed in "legal procedures and court proceedings" for anyone accused of blasphemy and said he deleted post since Twitter had asked him to delete the post. Subsequently, in April 2021 European Parliament specifically expressed displeasure over the minister Ali's remarks saying, "..strongly rejects the reported statement by Pakistan’s Minister of State for Parliamentary Affairs, Ali Khan, calling for people who commit blasphemy to be beheaded..", the EU parliament adopted resolution also stated that, it is concerned by the fact that blasphemy laws in Pakistan are frequently abused to make false accusations having various incentives, including settling personal disputes or seeking economic gain; and called on the Government of Pakistan, therefore, to take due heed of the resolution and to repeal the blasphemy laws accordingly. In another incident in Karnataka India, in November 2020, an inflammatory graffiti using similar text "Gustak-e-Rasool ki ek hi Saza, Sar Tan se Juda (There is only one punishment for offending the Prophet, severing the head from the body)” was observed on walls of a building at a township, intending to cause a social strife.

Idk what to reply to obscurantism @ Talk:Beheading in Islam#Removal of "In Khutbah, sermons and protest sloganeering" section. As of now I shall not persue WP:DR on my own too much for lack of enough uninvolved users aware of the underlined topics. We all know Islam is religion of truth, peace and moderation but death threats received by a moderate professor of Islamic studies -covered by reliable sources- would not have space on Wikipedia sounds ironical. It would not be surprising to see some enlightened defense of these deletions. But whether these deletions are helpful in keeping encyclopedia readers informed is for deletionists to think and others if the come across this message to give some time to study and navigate the issues in due course. Bookku (talk) 15:44, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

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