User:A.Z./Translation

Attempt to translate this page, which is linked from this page. Dev asked me to do this, check the diff. I asked StuRat to help me.

Original

WikiProject LGBT Studies

10/4/2007 Grupo de editores busca aumentar qualidade e quantidade de artigos gays na Wikipédia

Por Redação

Aproveitando o fato de que a Wikipédia é um território digital feito através da boa vontade e dedicação de muitos internautas, um grupo de editores decidiu utilizar a ferramenta para aumentar tanto a qualidade como a quantidade de artigos gays dentro da página.

O projeto, que pretende ser um fórum de discussão para os assuntos publicados no site, busca também ser mais neutro, não tomando partido ou divulgando opiniões de grupos seletos. Ao invés disso, os organizadores informam que a página será um veículo documental sem foco geográfico, ou seja, para assuntos que não venham apenas da Europa e América do Norte.

A página é dividida em diversos “departamentos” que cuidam de diferentes partes dos artigos gays (ou de interesse gay) da Wikipédia, antes que os mesmos fiquem, ainda que temporariamente, prontos. Isto é, muitas definições da enciclopédia digital têm que passar por verificação ortográfica, tradução, limpeza ou até mesmo a análise de um expert no assunto abordado.

Em uma das seções mais bacanas do projeto, biografias de nomes essenciais da cultura GLBT são citados para que os usuários possam completá-las com mais informações e dados históricos. Lá estão ícones como Andy Warhol, Abraham Lincoln, Leonardo Da Vinci, Lord Byron, Walt Whitman, Marcel Proust, Alexandre, o Grande, Sócrates, Francis Bacon, Virginia Woolf, Gertrude Stein e James Dean. Outra parte interessante do site é a que “vigia” artigos gays, tanto controversos, como aqueles apenas classificados dentro do escopo. Todas estas tarefas e muitas outras são executadas pelos 165 membros do projeto que, dadas as limitações idiomáticas de cada um, contribuem com cada uma das áreas da página. Qualquer um pode contribuir, bastando apenas se cadastrar e informar os idiomas dominados.

Para contribuir ou apenas conhecer o WikiProject LGBT Studies, clique aqui.

Translation

WikiProject LGBT Studies

4/10/2007 Group of editors seek to increase quality and quantity of gay articles in Wikipedia

By the editorial staff

Since Wikipedia is a digital territory built thanks to the good will and dedication of many internauts, and using this to their advantage, a group of editors have decided to use the tool to increase both quality and quantity of gay articles inside the page.

The project, that intends to be a discussion forum for the subjects published on the website, also seeks to be neutral, not taking sides nor promoting opinions of select groups. Instead, the coordinators inform that the page will be a documental mean [sic] without geographical focus, i.e., for subjects that don't come only from Europe and North America.

The page is divided into many "departments" that supervise different parts of the gay (or of gay interest) articles of Wikipedia, before they are, albeit temporarily, done. That is, many definitios of the digital encyclopedia have to go through orthographic verification, translation, cleaning or even analysis by an expert on the subject.

In one of the finest sections of the project, biographies of essencial names of GLBT culture are named so that the users can complete them with more information and historical data. There are icons such as Andy Warhol, Abraham Lincoln, Leonardo Da Vinci, Lord Byron, Walt Whitman, Marcel Proust, Alexander, the Great, Socrates, Francis Bacon, Virginia Woolf, Gertrude Stein and James Dean. Another interesting part of the website is the one that "watches" gay articles, both the controversial and those that are merely within the scope. All those tasks and many others are performed by the 165 members of the project that, given the language limitations of each one, contribute with each one of the page's sections. Anyone can contribute, with the only requirement of joining in and informing the languages that you master.

To contribute or simply to get to know the WikiProject LGBT Studies, click here.

Retranslation

WikiProject:LGBT Studies

4/10/2007 A group of editors seek to increase the quality and quantity of articles in Wikipedia related to homosexuality.

Written By:

Using to advantage the fact that Wikipedia is a digital domain built by the good will and dedication of many Internet users, a group of editors have decided to utilize this tool to increase both the quality and quantity of articles related to homosexuality.

This project, which is intended to be a discussion forum for subjects published on Wikipedia, also strives to be neutral, not taking sides nor promoting opinions of select groups. Also, the organizers intend that this page will be without geographical focus, including subjects from outside Europe and North America.

The page is divided into many departments that manage different parts of gay (or gay interest) articles on Wikipedia, while under construction. That is, many articles from the digital encyclopedia have to go through orthographic verification, translation, cleaning, or even analysis by an expert on the subject.

In one of the best sections of the project, biographies of essential personalities of LGBT culture are identified so the users can enhance them with more information and historical data. There are icons such as Andy Warhol, Abraham Lincoln, Leonardo Da Vinci, Lord Byron, Walt Whitman, Marcel Proust, Alexander the Great, Socrates, Francis Bacon, Virginia Woolf, Gertrude Stein and James Dean. Another interesting part of the website is the ability to "watch" LGBT articles, whether controversial or not. All those tasks, and many others, are performed by the 165 members of the project that, given the language limitations of each, contribute within each of the page's sections. Anyone can contribute, even if only joining in to contribute in the major languages.

To contribute, or simply to learn about WikiProject:LGBT Studies, click here.

Some comments on the retranslation:

I was trying to translate the meaning, and opposed to the exact words.

The phrase "gay articles" sounds like an insult, so I changed it. It also seems to exclude the LBT from LGBT.

After stating that the intent was not to be Euro-centric and North America-centric, a long list of names is provided which doesn't appear to include one name from outside those regions. Also, are they all gay ? I didn't think Lincoln was (although having to sleep with W:Mary Todd might turn any man gay, LOL).

Does the project include locations of interest to the LGBT community, such as W:The Castro ? StuRat 05:07, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

That last question seems to be about the project itself, not about the translation. Yes, the project includes that article, as you can see on its talk page :)

Good job translating the meaning: you "captured" the intended meaning better than whoever wrote it, as the original text is a little confusing.

They chose to say "gay articles". It has the same meaning in Portuguese, but they did write it. I don't know how right it is for us to change it.

I'm not sure "gay" has quite the same insult meaning in Portuguese, so let me describe what it means in English and you can tell me if it's the same in Brazil. Of course, in both languages it means "homosexual", and I suppose, the earlier but now obsolete meaning of "happy", too. I also suppose the "homosexual" meaning can be used as an insult in Brazil, when used by homophobics. However, there is another distinct meaning in the US, particularly common among kids (as often used in South Park). They tend to use it not to mean "homosexual", but as a mild insult meaning something like "uncool". For example, they might say "that movie was so gay !", even though there was no homosexuality in the movie. It was this meaning I was concerned about. Saying "gay articles" seems to take on that meaning of "uncool articles". This can be fixed by changing the phrasing to "articles about gay topics", or better yet, "articles about homosexual topics". Another option is to change it from "gay articles" to "LGBT articles", which also has the advantage of including the other groups. StuRat 17:53, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

I wasn't aware of that third meaning of the word. Your change is fully justified then, and the right thing to do. A.Z. 21:53, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

They did provide a long list of people from Europe and America after saying that the project was not Euro-centric and North America-centric. I must say: they could have done a really better job.

But your job was just great! The text looks really nice and readable. Congratulations and thank you! I'll tell Dev that the translation is complete. A.Z. 06:21, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks ! StuRat 17:57, 5 May 2007 (UTC)