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I've converted the template to Lua in the sandbox so it could be easier to update and got an OK from the template author, Alex 21, to go ahead with it. The code is almost the same with some slight differences:

  • I've changed the handling of the current episode from placing "-" in the episode position, to using |part=.
  • Adding built in handling of the horizontal line (and |no_hr= when it's not needed).
  • Added error handling for missing or incorrect number value (for |parts= and |part=) or mismatch between parts value and the number of series used.

I was about to finish with the migration of the code, when I thought again how we handle this. Currently we send a complete string of text for the series, so something like ""Supergirl" season 5 episode 9". This requires a lot of styling which over time can become inconsistent across articles.

I've worked on a version which breaks the text string down to |link=, |season= and |episode=. As an example, here are the two versions:

  • {{Television crossover note/sandbox|parts=5|part=1|[[Batwoman (TV series)#9|''Batwoman'' season 1 episode 9]]|[[The Flash (season 6)#123|''The Flash'' season 6 episode 9]]|[[Arrow (season 8)#168|Arrow season 8 episode 8]]|[[Legends of Tomorrow (season 5)#68|''Legends of Tomorrow'' season 5's special episode]]}}
  • {{Television crossover note/sandbox|parts=5|part=1|link1=Batwoman (TV series)#9|season1=1|episode1=9|link2=The Flash (season 6)#123|season2=6|episode2=9|link3=Arrow (season 8)#168|season3=8|episode3=8|link4=Legends of Tomorrow (season 5)#68|season4=5|episode4=special}}

Notice that the one with the 3 parameters is actually shorter, and results in a consistent style. Any thoughts or comments? --Gonnym (talk) 18:24, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm fine with more parameters, but I guess the question is, is this how we want to style these statements? That's what was chosen for the use on the Arrowverse, but if we make this more general, would this styling work elsewhere (I know the answer is probably yes, just a bit of devil's advocate if we're taking the time to adjust things). - Favre1fan93 (talk) 05:30, 12 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I Believe that any (good) style should work for Arrowverse crossovers as well as other ones. So for CSI: Miami (season 4)#ep79 it would be: This episode begins a crossover event that concludes on CSI: NY season 2 episode 7., while it currently has This episode begins a crossover with CSI: NY that concludes on "Manhattan Manhunt". Whether or not we currently are using the best one, I have no idea. If you have any suggestions on improvements, go ahead. Any change should be pretty easy to do. --Gonnym (talk) 09:03, 12 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Here are some of the styles used that I found:
Will need to think about this more. --Gonnym (talk) 19:26, 12 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
So it would seem that most of the usages I saw prefer to use the episode title, instead of the "<TV series> season <#> episode <#>" style that this template uses. Here is a comparison of how that style would look for the Arrowverse shows:
  • {{Arrowverse summary|parts=2|-|[[Arrow (season 3)#ep54|''Arrow'' season 3 episode 8]]}}
  • This episode begins a crossover event with Arrow that concludes on "The Brave and the Bold".
  • {{Arrowverse summary|parts=3|-|[[Arrow (season 5)#ep100|''Arrow'' season 5 episode 8]]|[[Legends of Tomorrow (season 2)#ep23|''Legends of Tomorrow'' season 2 episode 7]]}}
  • This episode begins a crossover event with Arrow and Legends of Tomorrow that continues on "Invasion!" and concludes on "Invasion!".
  • {{Arrowverse summary|parts=3|-|[[Arrow (season 7)#ep147|''Arrow'' season 7 episode 9]]|[[Supergirl (season 4)#ep74|''Supergirl'' season 4 episode 9]]}}
  • This episode begins a crossover event with Arrow and Supergirl that continues on "Elseworlds, Part 2" and concludes on "Elseworlds, Part 3".
@Favre1fan93: any comments? --Gonnym (talk) 11:58, 13 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Gonnym: At least in the Arrowverse's case, most of the crossovers have the same name for each episode, so in those instances the "series season ep" layout seems a bit more preferable to remove some of the repetition. And (still in these instances) to know that when you click the link, you're going to the episode table, not the article for the crossover. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:34, 13 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. - Brojam (talk) 18:40, 13 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
That's half a comment as you (both) haven't addressed the other TV series and their use. And since you (Favre1fan93) brought up the style issue, I'd expect a little more insights into this. Can the Arrowverse style work for them? We should stop segregating these info two different groups. To be fair, other than "Invasion!", all the above arrowverse episodes have unique names, albeit similar with the part number. It could easliy be modified to say This episode begins a crossover event with Batwoman, Arrow, The Flash and Legends of Tomorrow that continues on "Part Two", "Part Three" and "Part Four", and concludes on "Part Five". Whatever the case, I just don't see any real reason why something can work for a series such as CSI, but can't for this. --Gonnym (talk) 19:00, 13 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I don't have an issue with the formatting that has been used for the Arrowverse episodes, and I believe that can work with other series. So from the Grey's Anatomy example you found, This episode begins a crossover event that concludes on Private Practice season 3 episode 11 works for me, and it can work for the other series. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 19:08, 13 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
And if you want to make those additional parameters, I'm good with that too. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 19:09, 13 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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