Template talk:Sodražica

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Mali Zapotok and Veliki Zapotok

The two villages don't actually exist. They have never existed, and no formal or historical document confirms their existence. There is just Zapotok. The colloquial Mali and Veliki Zapotok is used only by the residents. Therefore, Mali and Veliki Zapotok cannot be listed in this template as former settlements because they'd have to exist in order to later become former settlements.

-JKos12 (talk) 17:22, 17 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

As already stated in the edit summary, according to the published sources cited at Zapotok, Sodražica (Razširjeni seznam ..., Spremembe naselij ...), the formerly independent settlements of Mali Zapotok and Veliki Zapotok became parts of Zapotok on 19 April 1952. See also this source, this source, and this source. They are therefore former settlements from some unspecified time until 1952 and so I have re-added them to the template. If you have other sources that contradict these sources, please cite them here. Doremo (talk) 17:42, 17 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

OK, then. Interesting, though. I live here, and I've asked a few of the older people who've lived here for 70-80 years, and they claim that, while they differentiated between Mali and Veliki Zapotok, the village was formally called just Zapotok. Given the documents you've presented, there might have been two villages in the middle ages. But still, Mali and Veliki Zapotok cannot be called former settlements because they just grew into one village. JKos12 (talk) 18:15, 17 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Having looked at pre-WWII sources, my assumption is that Mali Zapotok and Veliki Zapotok were made independent settlements circa 1945. (There were some strange postwar changes that people have forgotten, like Krško being renamed Videm–Krško for only 11 years, 1953 to 1964.) The 1946 and 1948 Uradni list Ljudske republike Slovenije both list Mali Zapotok and Veliki Zapotok as independent settlements, as does the 1947–48 Stenografski zapiski Ljudske skupščine Ljudske republike Slovenije. The source Turjaška knjiga listin refers to Mali Zapotok and Veliki Zapotok being independent settlements in the 13th century, but the seven other sources all refer to the 20th century. Doremo (talk) 03:22, 18 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I've also found a 16th-century source reprinted here (page 6, column 3) that treats Mali Zapotok and Veliki Zapotok as separate villages with different tax obligations, and later refers to "oba Zapotoka" (both of the Zapotoks). This source also mentions 13th-century documents referring to "oba Zapotoka" (both of the Zapotoks, p. 79) and "dveh vaseh, imenovanih Zapotok" (two villages named Zapotok, p. 80). Doremo (talk) 04:47, 18 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]