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Giunta=Government

"Giunta" means "junta" or, better, "government", not "administration". No-one uses that term in translating it from Italian to English. It is better not to use strange translations: "government", "regional minister" and so on are clear to everybody. --Checco (talk) 15:48, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

But they are false translations. It Italian we speak about "Amministrazione regionale", which is easily translate in English as Regional Administration. There's only a sole "Government" in Italy, and it is in Rome. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.45.156.70 (talk) 15:59, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This is English Wikipedia: here we use English terms not obscure translations from Italian. Journalists speak sometimes of "amministrazione regionale" but the only official name is "giunta", which basically means "cabinet" or "government". What is the problem? We need to use terms people will easily understand. --Checco (talk) 16:02, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Giunta does not mean Government, but Junta. If you want to use "Junta", you can, but "government" is a completely false term. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.45.156.70 (talk) 16:05, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It is a perfect translation. Why do you oppose it? Please remember this is English Wikipedia! --Checco (talk) 16:09, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In fact, I remember it. And "giunta" is not translated as "government" in any source (have you got it?). More ministers are "ministri" in Italian. Regionally, there are assessori, as at municipal level: do you mean that we can speak about ministers in Italian Communes??--79.45.156.70 (talk) 16:13, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In case of regional governemts, we generally use "ministers" in Wikipedia. Please comply to that custom (and to the other rules of Wikipedia). I am very happy to see someone working on those articles but Wikipedia is made by constant co-operation by different users. Please discuss in talk pages if you don't agree to some of my edits and we will definitely find a compromise! --Checco (talk) 16:17, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well, but if you are speaking about US States or German Lander, if correctly use the term "minister", because in most cases, even in the local language, they are called ministers. Italian regions are not States, because Italy is not (for the moment) a federal nation. We can not make invention: do you use "ministers" even for administrators of French regions? If so, this would be no more an encyclopedia, but only a fantasy website.
The correct translation of "assessore" is alderman (or assessor, but is less sourced) [1], the translation of "giunta" is Junta [2] or Administration: and, speaking about English language, you must know that if we speak about an "administration", is harsh to say that, at least for an American user, we don't think to the Executive.....--79.45.156.70 (talk) 16:38, 15 January 2010 (UTC) (NumerOne)[reply]

"Administration" and "Secretaries" are used in the United States, "Secretaries" in the UK is also used, while in Europe we generally use "ministers". Why do you oppose that? Italy is not a federal country... so what? "Aldermen" is not used for regional government members... --Checco (talk) 16:55, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As you said, this is en.wiki, and we must respect the language spoken in US or UK, not the "maccaroni" translations of not-English European nations. If Italians, or Germans, or Russians, use "minister" because they don't speak a good English, it is not a good reason to follow them. "Administration" is a very good translation which respects both Italian origianal for "amministrazione" and English-speakers term "administration" for the Executive. And "alderman" is the perfect translation of "assessori", as Google Translator shows us. Then, basicly as I said you, we are not speaking about ministers. They have not the powers of a minister, simply.--79.45.156.70 (talk) 17:12, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]