Template talk:Navbox musical artist/Archive 1

Issues

Before implementing this to any more templates, let's work on these problems:

1. The table collapses horizontally when [hide] is clicked. Solution: add navbox to the table class.
2. The lightgrey NavHead doesn't work on the subheadings (e.g. Discography, Related articles) because it is not inside a NavFrame. Possible solutions:
   1. Style it manually using the following. See {{U2}} for sample usage.
      <div style="height:1.8em;font-size:1em;background-color:lightgrey;">'''Discography'''</div>
   2. Create a template for easily doing this, and for maintainance.
   3. Instead of a navbox collapsible table, make the navbox a NavFrame div. An advantage is that the band name will be centered at the top to align with any centered subheadings below. Using collapsible tables, the top heading is a bit off-center to the left.

More content issues not directly related to the template:

1. In the {{Led Zeppelin}} example, the categories are linked beside the subheadings. I think this is messy, and it is arbitrary how the Discography is associated with the albums category instead of the songs category. Perhaps just one link in Other or Related articles to the main band category, if it exists?
2. Instead of using a small'd bullet, consider {{·}}, which has a better size bold and non-bold. –Pomte 01:59, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

If there is a more centralized place to discuss this, please direct me to it. –Pomte 01:59, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Navbox discussion

There is a discussion about the navboxes over at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Musicians. —Preceding unsigned comment added by WOSlinker (talk • contribs) 17:48, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Redirect

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This template should be redirected to Template:Navbox Musical artist, since that template has been accepted as the new version of this template. —TigerK 69 06:10, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Are you sure that'll work? It looks like the two templates have completely different parameters. 17Drew 06:16, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

It's not being used in any templates since it's depreciated, so I don't think that would be a problem. —TigerK 69 06:27, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

 Done and unprotected for the reasons you've given above. Tra (Talk) 01:59, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Navbox music

I was actually planning on converting Template:Navbox musical artist to a group template, but I guess WOSlinker beat me to it. One suggestion I have is instead of making a custom core, we use Template:Navbox as the core like in Template:Navbox Television. If nobody disagrees, I'll make the change. —TigerK 69 08:59, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

I did a separate core due to the groups being across the top rather than down the side. Used the Navbox code as the starting point though. -- WOSlinker 17:50, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Navbox discussion

There is a discussion about the navboxes over at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Musicians. —Preceding unsigned comment added by WOSlinker (talk • contribs) 17:48, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Header cell above list

Under the cells section, it says:

group_n

(i.e. group1, group2, etc.) If specified, text appears in a header cell displayed above the list_n.

Okay. But please explain how you specify that? -- Reaper X 22:00, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Color coding

I'm not sure, but should we add the option of color coding the template header on certain templates for their genre ("darkblue" for hip hop, "crimson" for rock, "87CEEB" for pop, etc.; colors based on the color on their respective articles, which are obciously not an offical standard, but...) I think it would be easier to color code templates based on their genres to differate each template, instead of having all templates under one single color. It's just an idea. The Chronic 23:36, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Wait, never mind. I found how to. The Chronic 02:09, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, I've come over heat over this, so I've decided to try to reach a consensus. Could it be possible to add an additional parameter that changes the header color based on the genre of that artist? The Chronic 18:07, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

This is totally unnecessary. It requires extra work and every navbox would need to be changed. Please refrain from editing any more colour. --¤ The-G-Unit-฿oss ¤ 18:51, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm just saying: I just think it would be good to color code instead of having all genres of Navboxes under one color. The Chronic 03:44, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Okay, fine. Maybe not (with the change in the template). The Chronic 03:48, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Err, so how come this idea has been put into motion? — *Hippi ippi 01:01, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Because he meant for genres, the change is for types of artist to make this template consistent with other such as infoboxesd. --¤ The-G-Unit-฿oss ¤ 15:37, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Is there any reason for this:

|groupstyle = background: #EEEEEE;
|abovestyle = background: #EEEEEE;
|belowstyle = background: #EEEEEE;

as opposed to inheriting the color from template:navbox? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Snaxe920 (talk • contribs) 19:13, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Need for {{·wrap}}

This really needs to be changed. There should be no need to use {{·wrap}} instead of •. Is there any way that this can be changed without words coming out of the template? --¤ The-G-Unit-฿oss ¤ 15:55, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

There's a reason for using {{·wrap}}. The full explanation can be found here. —TigerK 69 06:07, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Actually, G Unit Boss is correct. Unless there is regular text between places where things should be wrapped manually, having the nowraplinks class takes care of any need for manual wrapping. That part of the explanation is actually linked in the above discussion. The "wrap" templates should be used when there is additional text (such as the year of the album for example) that should be kept on the same line as the entry between the dots. It is not needed if each entry is a link on its own. ~ Paul^C/_T+ 20:49, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi everyone! I have noticed that these musical navboxes are among the ones who most often use erroneous line wrap handling. So to all you musical navbox editors: In the cases when you use {{·wrap}} then you should put {{nowrap begin}} and {{nowrap end}} at the start and end of that list in the navbox. And then you need to change all occurrences of {{·}} in that list to a {{·wrap}} instead. Or use the shorter {{·w}} if you prefer. If you use {{·wrap}} on several lists in the same navbox then you need to have {{nowrap begin}} and {{nowrap end}} in each of those lists in that navbox.

Correct nowrap usage is like this:

{{nowrap begin}}Link and text{{·wrap}} Link and text{{nowrap end}}

Or like this:

{{nowrap begin}}
Link and text{{·wrap}} 
Link and text
{{nowrap end}}

You can read more about this at {{nowrap begin}} and Wikipedia:Line break handling.

--David Göthberg (talk) 08:13, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Req change

{{Editprotected}}

Please change "{{Navbox Musician/color|" to "{{Navbox Musical artist/color|" per recent move. —TigerK 69 04:21, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

 Done Tra (Talk) 22:46, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

The top comment is adding white space to articles--can someone please remove the extra newline between the comment close tag and the {{navbox (or move the comment elsewhere)?
EG
-->{{Navbox
instead of
-->
{{Navbox
Thanks. Rhs1980 23:57, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

 Done Tra (Talk) 00:04, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Albums + year of release

Is the year of release needed in the navbox? For example [1] and Template:Spice Girls. Some people have been changing navboxes so they include this information, but I suppose it's personal preference, isn't it? But I think we should try to make things uniform, so... views? — *Hippi ippi 03:37, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Personally, I think it's tacky, and takes up way too much space. Keep it plain, geez. -- Reaper X 04:19, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Hmmmm I totally agree. It's redundant info. Like, if you want to know about release dates etc, click on the link, dammit. You know the examples on the Template:Navbox Musical artist page? They don't have year of release. — *Hippi ippi 04:39, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Discography header

I really liked when there was a header that was between the band members and the discography. It was really handy, especially when you could integrate a link to a discography article. Could we put in a discography header or something back into this template? -- Reaper X 20:11, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

bodystyle

{{editprotected}} Can this:

|bodystyle = {{{bodystyle|}}}

be added to the template before the groupstyle line here:

|groupstyle = background: #EEEEEE;?

This will allow the bodystyle parameter for the navbox template to be used. ~ Paul^C/_T+ 21:01, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

I believe it was taken out to keep all the musician templates consistent. —TigerK 69 (talk) 04:48, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

No doubt... but there are some templates that would look much better with a fixed width. For example: {{Spinal Tap}}. The smaller version:

Looks much better than the standard expanded full-width one:

 ~ Paul^C/_T+ 19:53, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

I asked TigerK 69 to comment again; if you both agree to this change, let me know and I'll be glad to do it. — Carl (CBM · talk) 23:13, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

I always thought that fixed width was better than 100% width but most people here like to keep it at 100% for consistency. IMO, it wouldn't hurt to have the option to make it fixed width. If people will disagree with it, you can always revert it. —TigerK 69 (talk) 06:17, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

I re-added the editprotected template to this topic... ~ Paul^C/_T+ 08:41, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

 Done. —Random832 17:48, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Fix bad code

{{editprotected}} Remove "text-align:center" from abovestyle and belowstyle; they are already provided by {{Navbox/core}}. Also, this currently produces for groups

<th style="white-space:nowrap;background:#ddddff;text-align:right;background: #EEEEEE;">

but that is the fault of protected {{navbox}} down the line; the only solution would be calling Navbox/core straight. Still, you might at least shorten #EEEEEE to three-char notation. --Malyctenar (talk) 14:15, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

I removed the centering commands. The colors seem like a minor issue, and no need to use 3 letters instead of 6. — Carl (CBM · talk) 19:23, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, it's shorter (and repeated many times in many instances of the template, IME the servers still can use any help they get) and IMO easier to read in the source. --Malyctenar (talk) 13:12, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Portuguese interwiki

Here: pt:Predefinição:Navbox Artista musical. --TRyudo (talk) 22:13, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Bob Dylan example

{{editprotected}} In the Bob Dylan example, the title of the first film should be corrected to Dont Look Back, without the apostrophe. The link in the example goes to a dab page.--ShelfSkewed Talk 05:21, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

 Not done - you can do this yourself, as this is on the documentation page and not on the template itself. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 07:20, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Navboxes with nowrap problems

I have compiled a list of templates with obvious nowrap problems. (Mostly navboxes, many of them musical navboxes.) There are 228 templates in the list. Anyone that is in the mood is welcome to help out to fix them. See the list and read all about it at: List of templates with nowrap problems. That is in no way a complete list of the navboxes with nowrap problems, but those were the easiest to detect. They are likely to be the worst cases. If we fix those ones then other editors might learn from what they see.

--David Göthberg (talk) 08:19, 26 March 2008 (UTC)