Template talk:Infobox religious building

Edit request 7 December 2024: Change to description of architecture_type

Description of suggested change: Change to description of architecture_type

@R Prazeres, Jayjg, Dan9186, Chesdovi, Thivierr, Martijn Hoekstra, Pigsonthewing, Frietjes, and Worldbruce:

At present, the description of the parameters for architecture_type relate to the building's ecclesiastical or religious purpose(s), and not the building's architectural purpose(s). This item (architecture_type) sits under the Architecture sub-header. Hence, architecture_type should refer to the architecture of the building and not its religious purpose(s). The building's religious purpose(s) are best categorized under organizational_status (status and type substitute here). Hence, the use of terms such as Synagogue architecture, Mosque architecture, Hindu temple architecture, are much better aligned with the architecture_type or architectural purpose(s) of the building.

Additionally, {{Infobox religious building}} should be used for religious buildings that are not used for Christian worship. Consequently, the use of the words "Chapel, Basilica, Cathedral" are all Christian terms and best suited for {{Infobox church}} and are not applicable for use in {{Infobox religious building}}.

Diff:

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architecture_type — what the building was originally designed to be (i.e. Chapel, Basilica, Cathedral).

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architecture_type — what the original purpose of the building's '''architecture''' was designed to be (i.e. [[Synagogue architecture]], [[Mosque architecture]], [[Hindu temple architecture]], etc.

Rangasyd (talk) 13:42, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

 Not done The requested change is to text on Template:Infobox religious building/doc, which is not protected. However, it is also clumsily worded. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:20, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing: Hi there. What is worded clumsily? Rangasyd (talk) 09:52, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

All of: "what the original purpose of the building's architecture was designed to be". Perhaps you mean "What purpose the building originally served"? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:11, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

I do not believe that the above edit request uses the phrase: "...what the original purpose of the building's architecture was designed to be..". Anyway, grammar aside, are you supportive or against the edit request to Template:Infobox religious building/doc? Cheers. Rangasyd (talk) 10:27, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Edit request 7 December 2024: Change to description of status (also organization_status or type)

Description of suggested change: Change to description of status (also organization_status or type)

@R Prazeres, Jayjg, Dan9186, Chesdovi, Thivierr, Martijn Hoekstra, Pigsonthewing, Frietjes, and Worldbruce:

The purpose of this description is to list the current (or previous) religious use of the building. This may include, but not be limited to Synagogue, Mosque, Temple, Shrine, Roman temple, etc. At present, the description is heavily weighted towards the use of Christian terms for the building's purpose, such as oratory, basilica, cathedral, monastery. In fact, use of the term ecclesiastical in the description automatically implies a Christian use. Most religious buildings that are used for Christian purposes should use, instead of this infobox, {{Infobox church}}, {{Infobox monastery}}, or {{Infobox LDS Temple}} that are better equiped for their specific needs. The use of non-Christian examples in the description is more appropriate for this infobox.

Further, when populated, this field links to Ecclesiastical polity and serves up the text of Ecclesiastical or organisational status  – clearly, both Christian terms. It is perhaps better linked to Place of worship, with the text Type of religious place.

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status — the building's current ecclesiastical or organizational status or the last previous ecclesiastical or organizational status the building held, if currently unused. (i.e. oratory, basilica, cathedral, monastery, temple, most holy site) Use

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status — the building's current religious or organizational status or the last previous religious or organizational status the building held, if currently unused. (i.e. [[Synagogue]], [[Mosque]], [[Temple]], [[Shrine]], [[Roman temple]], most holy site) Use

Rangasyd (talk) 13:44, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

 Not done The requested change is to text on Template:Infobox religious building/doc, which is not protected. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:21, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

Support Rangasyd's request, per their explanation. If their specific implementation isn't enough, I'd recommend any of the following options:

1. Update the "organisational_status" parameter so that, when used, it simply displays "Status" instead of "Ecclesiastical or organizational status". This keeps the parameter more open and neutral, and it's actually what Template:Infobox church uses too.
2. Remove the link to Ecclesiastical polity link from "Ecclesiastical or organizational status" that is displayed when the "organisational_status" parameter is used, as the link is part of what leads to confusion.
3. Or adjust the link to Ecclesiastical polity so that only the word "Ecclesiastical" is bluelinked, so that it displays as "Ecclesiastical or organizational status".
4. "Type=" could be an alternative to use for non-Christian buildings, which wouldn't require changing the template itself but would need to be indicated more clearly in the documentation. As is, the documentation currently recommends this for Shinto shrines, but I see no reason why it can't be used more broadly.

Thanks, R Prazeres (talk) 17:46, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 11 December 2024

Please consider adding the following parameters, change image parameter to image 1:

| image2 = {{#if:{{{pushpin map|}}}|
{{Location map|{{{pushpin map|}}}
|label={{#ifeq: {{lc: {{{pushpin label position|}}} }} | none | | {{if empty|{{{name|}}}|{{PAGENAMEBASE}}}} }}
|alt = {{{pushpin map alt|}}}
|relief = {{{relief|}}}
|coordinates = {{{coordinates|}}}
|float = center
|caption = {{{map caption|}}}
|border = infobox
|position = {{{pushpin label position|}}}
|width = {{if empty|{{{pushpin mapsize|}}}| 250 }}
}}
}}

| image3 = {{#invoke:Infobox mapframe|auto|onByDefault={{#if:{{{pushpin map|}}}|no|yes}}|mapframe-zoom={{{mapframe-zoom|13}}}|mapframe-marker=religious-christian|mapframe-width=250|mapframe-frame-width=250|mapframe-wikidata={{{mapframe-wikidata|yes}}}}}
| caption3  = {{#invoke:Infobox mapframe|autocaption|onByDefault={{#if:{{{pushpin map|}}}|no|yes}}}}

in the invoke check :

{{#invoke:check for unknown parameters|check add the add the following:
| mapframe | mapframe-caption | mapframe-custom | mapframe-id | mapframe-coord | mapframe-wikidata | mapframe-point | mapframe-shape | mapframe-frame-width | mapframe-frame-height | mapframe-shape-fill | mapframe-shape-fill-opacity | mapframe-stroke-color | mapframe-stroke-colour | mapframe-stroke-width | mapframe-marker | mapframe-marker-color | mapframe-marker-colour | mapframe-geomask | mapframe-geomask-stroke-color | mapframe-geomask-stroke-colour | mapframe-geomask-stroke-width | mapframe-geomask-fill | mapframe-geomask-fill-opacity | mapframe-zoom | mapframe-length_km | mapframe-length_mi | mapframe-area_km2 | mapframe-area_mi2 | mapframe-frame-coordinates | mapframe-frame-coord | mapframe-switcher

el.ziade (talkallam) 11:53, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please make your requested changes to the template's sandbox first; see WP:TESTCASES. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:47, 12 December 2024 (UTC)