Template talk:Infobox UK country

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This template was considered for deletion on 2015 August 2. The result of the discussion was "keep".

Territories

Hey RaviC. Good idea to expand to cover the territories. However Governor and head of government (ie Chief Executive, or equivalent) should go in the top as they are not under the British Government. The Governor reports to the Crown, while the head of government obviously reports to the territory's government. I think this may be possible by just moving the British Government heading down, and putting them above. However I am not sure it will allow that many leader fields? If not, instead we could use a head_of_government field and a custom "head_of_government_type". Sorry, I don't have time at the moment to test. Rob984 (talk) 22:30, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there, you're right. I'll rearrange the table to correct the order. Regarding the number of leader fields, I'm currently requesting an addition of four fields on the Infobox country template to ensure all of the titles can work. Cheers. --RaviC (talk) 22:34, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Done. If you have any feedback, then please feel free to let me know. --RaviC (talk) 22:41, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Seems to be an issue still regarding the borders. I'm going to take a look later. --RaviC (talk) 23:03, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, this might be a problem. The dividing line is shown when a leader_title & leader_name row is skipped. Before, I used this to create the full line above "British Government" (the subbox isn't actually spanning the whole infobox because the infobox is just a table). ie:

| leader_title1 = Title

| leader_name1 = Name

[dividing line would appear here]

| leader_name3 = Title

| leader_title3 = Name

I'm not sure there is an elegant solution to this in terms of syntax. It is possible using a lot of "if" variables.

Rob984 (talk) 07:25, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of government leaders i.e Monarch, First Minister...

Are we aware of the reasons why the devolved leaders and Monarchy have been removed from the government sections on each of the countries of the UK with devolved governments and First Ministers? Goodreg3 (talk) 15:34, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed Rob984 (talk) 18:00, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Open discussion on replacing this template with Infobox political division

Hello, I'm proposing to replace this template with Template:Infobox political division. This was previously used exclusively for dependent territories, but has been generic-ised to allow for use to represent any political entity. This alternative infobox is already used in all Crown dependency and British Overseas Territory articles, so adopting this will align UK countries with the other British first-level administrative divisions. A few changes differentiate this template:

Larger font size; more accessible by conforming to standard font size and allows infobox to more easily align with font size guidelines by preventing any usages of Template:small from reducing font size below 85% per Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/Archive 146#Observe MOS:FONTSIZE in infobox templates.
Emphasis on subnational status: Country status is moved to the top of the infobox under country name to highlight status.
Improvements in showing individual time zones and time zone ranges.
Standardised format in showing national government representation and figures.

On the second point, I believe the current template deemphasizes these countries as sub-national divisions when it shouldn't. It's additionally unclear to me why currency, driving side, date format, and calling code have been chosen to be listed when these are typically not used for integral first-level administrative divisions (see Australian states, Canadian provinces, Russian republics/subjects, etc.). It presents these details as distinguishable from those of the UK as a whole when they're not.

For examples on how the England, Wales, Scotland, and NI infoboxes would look, see my sandbox. For an example on how this looks on a non-UK non-sovereign country, see Greenland. Feedback would be appreciated. Horserice (talk) 19:09, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This is acceptable for all non-sovereign state articles. GoodDay (talk) 19:17, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This isn't just a template issue and for the record GoodDay was one of those editors who has never accepted the 'country' consensus and constantly snipes on the issue (he was topic banned from the whole set of British Isles articles for a period). There was an extensive year plus series of edit wars and other disputes which was eventually resolved after mediation and the consensus has stood since; we do not want that can of worms opened again. A key part of that evidence based settlement is that England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland are countries and are not comparable instituions to Canadian provinces, Australian states etc. That position was argued (by GoodDay and others) and rejected. The existing template can be modified to deal with any of the issues identified above if needed. Or you could propose a single template for all political entities.-----Snowded ^TALK 14:52, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Horserice:, I can't predict the future on this topic, anymore then Snowded can. I can only hope you won't be subjected to any mistreatment or personal attacks from others, who might oppose your proposals. PS - You deserve the opportunity to find out if your proposals will be accepted by the community. GoodDay (talk) 16:06, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

'Parliament of the United Kingdom'

The template lists the Secretary of State under the Parliament of the United Kingdom. However, the Secretary of State is a Government (executive) office, not a Parliamentary (legislature) one. Would anyone have suggestions on a more appropriate heading? Perhaps 'Country in the politics of the United Kingdom' - though that's a bit wordy? Drerac (talk) 16:31, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Broken fields

Several fields appear to be broken and not displaying. Unfortunately, I'm not savvy enough to do anything about it except highlight them here.

ethnic_groups_ref
religion_ref
patron_saint

In addition, I think there are some fields which would be helpful to add for consistency with other fields like GINI and HDI, if possible and if others agree:

population_estimate_ref
population_census_ref
GVA_ref
GDP_ref

Dgp4004 (talk) 17:10, 14 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]