Template talk:Infobox U.S. state symbols

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Merge, 17 January 2023, see discussion.
Keep, 23 August 2020, see discussion.

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Notes

The extra things added just for Utah are a little extreme. I haven't checked to see if the fields added are even legitimate, but just on principle, how many US states have an official cooking pot or hymn? --Yelgrun 16:40, 11 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Name Change

The more correct name of this template would be Template: US state insignia. We could replace the template there with the template here, as well as update it to include the insignia listed in the article Lists of U.S. state insignia. 66.229.182.113 09:58, 9 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Neckwear?

Is this for real? CredoFromStart ^talk 17:58, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind. It is. Arizona. (Kind of silly though!) CredoFromStart ^talk 18:00, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Multiple route markers

The "Route Marker" parameter shows the in-article text "Route Marker(s)", implying that multiple ones can be shown for states that use them. However, there seems not to be a parameter for a second marker, and I don't see anything in the Help pages showing how to render multiple images in a single parameter, if in fact this is possible. Mapsax (talk) 14:21, 22 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Size of Route Marker in U.S. state infoboxes

I was just looking at the article on West Virginia, and I was surprised when I saw the example route marker (the number "20" in a black outline) in the infobox. I thought it was somewhat larger than it needed to be. I'd like to suggest a change in the template so that the route marker in state infoboxes ends up slightly smaller than the one I saw. Corinne (talk) 16:57, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

done. Frietjes (talk) 15:13, 12 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Some entries are redundant to Infobox U.S. state

Some of the entries in this infobox are redundant to Template:Infobox U.S. state when both are used in the main state articles, usually one after the other. These are the nickname, motto, and state song/anthem parameters. Is there any particular reason for this duplication? It seems redundant and duplicative. Perhaps a better question would be whether or not this infobox is intended to be used on the main state pages along with the main infobox, of if it is designed for other pages specifically on state symbols, or both? If it's only for the main state pages, perhaps this box's functions should be merged into the US state infobox. - BilCat (talk) 05:24, 20 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

To be honest, what you said makes sense, and as a result, I removed all of the duplicate parameters that appeared in "Infobox U.S. state symbols". Keivan.f^Talk 16:52, 20 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Keivan. I'd still like to get a clarification on the intent of this infobox from the original editors, as my other questions remain. It's possible the infobox was intended to be used much further down in a state article, where the duplication would be less obvious, rather than immediately after the state infobox. Given how the boxes are used together, merging the functions into the main box may still be a viable option. - BilCat (talk) 17:46, 20 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Collapsed by default

This template was changed last week from being collapsed by default to being open by default with the edit summary that "MOS:SCROLL: Collapsible templates should not conceal article content by default upon page loading." I first off agree with BilCat (talk · contribs) above that the information in this template is redundant when all articles the template is on already have whole sections on the topic, but MOS:SCROLL further says that "collapsed or auto-collapsing cells or sections may be used with tables if it simply repeats information covered in the main text." So I think we can have this template collapsed by default because it just repeats information, correct?-- Patrick, _oѺ^∞ 16:22, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Two New Parameters (Request)

Could Someone with the permission and know-how please add "Animal" and "Fruit Tree" as individual unique parameters within the "Animate" insignia section (and I'd say it makes most sense for "Animal to be at the top of the section there), reasoning for the addition of this can be found at following linked talk page: https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Talk:Missouri#Status_Of_Mule's_Classification_Within_Being_A_State_Insignia ; sig: Aramantha 23:45, 15 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed merge

I'll be upfront, I do not like this infobox template, and I don't think its necessary. I think it presents trivial information that has been rejected from inclusion Template:Infobox U.S. state, and which is already better presented in sections on the state articles plus list articles like List of U.S. state birds or List of Arizona state symbols. As a first, minimal step, I'm proposing that it should be merged with Template:Infobox region symbols, as Frietjes suggested over two years ago. This template has 51 article-space transclusions, the other has 1195.

The fields that Template:Infobox U.S. state symbols has that Template:Infobox region symbols is missing are Amphibian, Cactus, Cat, Crustacean, Dog, Domestic animal, Horse, Marsupial, Mushroom, Pet, Reptile, Dinosaur, Firearm, Poem, Shell, Ship, Slogan, Soil, and Tartan. The first 12 of those I envision states using their "animal" or "plant" fields with a bulleted list in a Template:Plainlist wrapper and parentheses if necessary. The other seven I feel could be added to Template:Infobox region symbols without too much fuss. I think we can also take the opportunity to leave behind the U.S. state quarters. They were interesting in the early aughts, but I don't think they will continue to be symbols of the states in decades to come, the way a flag or anthem are likely to be. One idea Template:Infobox region symbols might however take from this one is the divide between living and inanimate insignia.

Please share opinions at the TfD page here: Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2023 January 17#Template:Infobox U.S. state symbols-- Patrick Neil, _oѺ^∞/Talk 02:50, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As per the result of the discussion, the parameters and the structure of Infobox U.S. state symbols were merged with Infobox region symbols. Take a look and maybe propose some changes or discuss the errors. Tojoroy20 (talk) 08:08, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There were some issues with the first attempt at the merge, so I've proposed a new sandbox merge candidate here. Please take a look and see if there are any problems. — hike395 (talk) 22:46, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]