Template talk:Campaignbox al-Qaeda attacks

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Not Related? Read pages Jemaah Islamiyah and Al-Qaeda in Iraq --TheFEARgod (Ч) 14:46, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Misattributed terrorist attacks

The following attacks, although usually carried out by Islamist fundamentalists who may have been inspired by al-Qaeda, have not actually been attributed to al-Qaeda or one of its branches and their removal from the infobox should be considered:

If the ~~infobox~~ template survives TfD and no one objects to the removal of these 6 attacks within a few days, I will remove them from the infobox (if, of course they are not removed by then). Cheers, Black Falcon 19:18, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am removing the 6 noted attacks from the template. Feel free to revert me if you like, but please also provide a rationale here. -- Black Falcon 02:20, 8 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"The following attacks, although usually carried out by Islamist fundamentalists who may have been inspired by al-Qaeda, have not actually been attributed to al-Qaeda or one of its branches and their removal from the infobox should be considered." I don't know where you read that but it seemed me that al-quaida was clearly responsible for, at least, Madrid and London attacks. Mrpouetpouet 15:47, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Where did you read that about London? I removed the London attacks from the template on the basis of reporting of the UK government's assessment that al-Qaeda was not involved and the bombers were independent actors but was promptly reverted. The whole existence of this box is POV: Islamist bombings are simply not carried out by some vast monolithic terrorist army. As such there is no cmapaign, and there should be no campaign box. These attacks have features in common, but command responsibility of an organisation that carries them all out is certainly not one of them. 79.68.156.222 (talk) 14:53, 25 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Military targets

The USS Cole bombing was not terrorism, as it was an attack against a military target. It should either be removed from this list or the Al-Qaeda terror campaign link should be changed. --ChrisRuvolo (t) 01:35, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have changed the title to the more neutral and descriptive "Attacks by al-Qaeda". -- Black Falcon 01:08, 28 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A good change. thanks Merbabu 10:40, 28 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I’m a civilian - if I kill a soldier of another nation that my nation is not at war with, then I have committed murder. That is a criminal act, not a military act. The military can still be subjected to criminal and/or terrorist activity.

The Cole was not at war, and not attacked by any recognised state military. One definition of a terrorist act is …activities that involve violent acts… to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion…. The Cole bombing fits that definition. Chwyatt (talk) 11:19, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Terror definition: I would add "an attempt to demoralize a population by killing, usually bombing."

Ultimately, from our experience in New York City, terror is specifically an attack on the mind to cause PTSD. The first symptoms of PTSD are euphoric, as the mind attempts to shelter itself from memories containing information too horrific to deal with, increasing the mind's ability to organize retaliation. For this reason, terror is an ineffectual attack strategy. The other symptoms, random panic attacks and depression, occur after the memory isolation mechanism dissolves, and the mind comes to terms with the reality of the terror. These symptoms result from the trauma caused by the release of the horrific information, often called "flashbacks," that occurs months to years after the event, rather than the horror of the event itself. It seems that terrorists themselves do not suffer from this kind of trauma (something they share with sociopaths), which may explain why terrorists do not understand the effects of their actions, as they cannot experience them.--John Bessa (talk) 19:14, 20 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I got comments on my talk page arguing that terror is somehow rational. I want to add my response to my writing above, which, by definition is original research in that the learning was e-mutual--we all participated, and it was quite a learning experience:

The USA experienced the World Trade Center attack on September 11th, 2001. As it happens I was there. Life as we had known it had been "charmed." We, citizens of the most charitable nation in human history (which was led recently by an exceedingly vicious and dishonest president--the lowest rated in US history), had to expand our understanding, but did so in the context of our primary recent scientific contribution: social science. As it happens, two years before the attack the important "empathic neurons," spindle and mirror cells, had been discovered, and during the early 2000s we easily reconciled this vicious attack in terms of neurology using these discoveries. Since then, these neurons have been found in most primates, elephants, and more advanced empathy neurons have been found in whales.--John Bessa (talk) 02:19, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Khobar

This template has a link to the Khobar Towers bombing; however, this bombing was done by Hizballah Al-Hijaz and not al-Qaeda. Should this link (and the template from the Khobar article) be removed? Morphh ^(talk) 22:23, 19 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Chechnya

I guess Putin got himself a Wiki account did he? The Second Chechnyan War is not related to al-Qaeda in any fashion. It is related to the First Chechnyan War, and in turn, to a much longer struggle. Removing it from this template. Sherurcij ^{(Because you can't fight terror by spreading fear)} 01:11, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

London

The London bombings were not perpetrated by Al-Qaeda. main article provides source to show this. Vexorg (talk) 17:34, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

TfD nomination of Template:Campaignbox al-Qaeda attacks

Template:Campaignbox al-Qaeda attacks has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. --Aude (talk) 16:07, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]