Template:Did you know nominations/Zeke Upshaw
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 00:15, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
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Zeke Upshaw
[edit]... that after playing sparingly with Illinois State, basketball player Zeke Upshaw transferred to Hofstra and led the Colonial Athletic Association in scoring? Source: "Upshaw elected to stay close to home after graduating from high school, but couldn’t crack the rotation in three years with the Redbirds, never averaging more than 7.4 minutes per game."[1] "With a degree in hand and one year left to play, Upshaw transferred to Hofstra to make something out of an ordinary career."[2] "He had averaged only 2.5 points in his senior year at Illinois State, but with a year of eligibility remaining, he became the Colonial Athletic Association’s leading scorer with a 19.8 average.[3]
- Reviewed: Issuf Sanon
Created by NBA Fan44 (talk) and Bagumba (talk). Nominated by Bagumba (talk) at 16:30, 1 April 2018 (UTC).
New and long enough, within policy, QPQ done, Earwig detects no copyvios. Hook checks out, but there are several more interesting facts in the article—the fact that he transferred to Hofstra after technically graduating from Illinois State, or the fact that he died suddenly at 26 after collapsing on the court. Maybe propose an extra hook or two? Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 05:09, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
- @Antony-22: Thanks for your review. I'd avoid a hook on his death, as WP:DYKRULES discourages "hooks that focus unduly on negative aspects". I had considered a hook on his transferring as a grad student, but I thought it would be too nuanced for the majority of readers who know little about college sports in the US, and I couldn't come up with something that was accessible but not too verbose. If you have one in mind, feel free to suggest as an ALT1 and we can invite someone else to review. Cheers.—Bagumba (talk) 11:58, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
- ALT1 ... that after playing sparingly for Illinois State, Zeke Upshaw used a graduate transfer exception to continue his college basketball career with Hofstra and lead the CAA in scoring?
ALT2 ... that after playing sparingly for Illinois State, Zeke Upshaw used a graduate transfer exception to continue his college basketball career with Hofstra?- @Antony-22: OK, I was able to come up with the ALTs above (ALT2 in case ALT1 seems too long). Feel free to suggest others if those are not suitable. Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 14:06, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
Still awaiting review.—Bagumba (talk) 07:18, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
- @Antony-22: Thanks for your review. I'd avoid a hook on his death, as WP:DYKRULES discourages "hooks that focus unduly on negative aspects". I had considered a hook on his transferring as a grad student, but I thought it would be too nuanced for the majority of readers who know little about college sports in the US, and I couldn't come up with something that was accessible but not too verbose. If you have one in mind, feel free to suggest as an ALT1 and we can invite someone else to review. Cheers.—Bagumba (talk) 11:58, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
- "Negative aspects" usually means being involved in a scandal or crime; Upshaw's death was of natural causes, so I'd call it tragic but not negative. I'm happy to leave this to your discretion though. For a hook let me suggest the following, which I think is interesting to people (like me) who don't know the finer nuances of college sports eligibility. Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 14:48, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
ALT3 ... that Zeke Upshaw was able to play college basketball at Hofstra University after graduating from Illinois State due to the graduate transfer exception?
- "Negative aspects" usually means being involved in a scandal or crime; Upshaw's death was of natural causes, so I'd call it tragic but not negative. I'm happy to leave this to your discretion though. For a hook let me suggest the following, which I think is interesting to people (like me) who don't know the finer nuances of college sports eligibility. Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 14:48, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
- Article is new and long enough, as the previous reviewer said. The article is well-formatted and well-cited throughout, and the QPQ is done. I did some spot-checks of references 14, 22, and 27, along with the hook refs, and spotted no problems in that regard. However, there are two bare-linked refs at the end of the list, which goes against the supplementary guidelines. Let's get those cleaned up before this appears on the Main Page. As for the hook, my preference is for ALT1, but I'd suggest making "lead" into "led", as it wasn't the exception exclusively that caused him to lead the league in scoring. The hooks are all verified, though, and other than that one suggestion the hook formatting checks out. The two bare links are all that need fixing in the article itself from my vantage point. Giants2008 (Talk) 02:29, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
- @Giants2008: The bare links have now been resolved. Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 14:58, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
Upon looking at ALT1 again, I think the hook will work as is, so that one is good to go. The others check out too, but if I had to pick one ALT1 would be it, as it has the best combination of explanation and interesting fact. Anyway, my lone concern with the article was resolved, so it should be ready now. Giants2008 (Talk) 17:23, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
