Template:Did you know nominations/Young People Fucking

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 12:46, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

Young People Fucking, 29th Genie Awards, 10th Canadian Comedy Awards

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• Young People Fucking
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• 10th Canadian Comedy Awards

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• ... that Young People Fucking was at the centre of a Canadian political debate due to its title, but went on to win a Genie and three Beavers? Sources: Georgia Straight: "At the centre of the uproar is a small Canadian film called Young People Fucking [...] its title has raised the ire of religious conservatives [...] could have an impact on all Canadian filmmakers and the crews that work on their productions." National Post "Kristin Booth was named best supporting actress for the romantic comedy Young People Fucking [...] a vindication of sorts for the film, which was at the centre of a controversy last year when the Conservative government proposed, but then withdrew, Bill C-10, which would deny financial aid to movies that contravened public policy." The Canadian Press: "Other big winners at the Imperial Theatre gala included the film "Young People Fucking," which took three trophies".
  • ALT1:... that the Canadian sex comedy distributed internationally as YPF was at the centre of a national political debate due to its controversial title, but went on to win a Genie and three Beavers? Sources: as above plus Georgia Straight: "The title has put marketers in awkward situations (it's being called YPF in the U.K. and U.S.)."
  • ALT2:... that a Genie and three Beavers recognized Young People Fucking? Sources: as ALT0.

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Roberto Benedicto, Template:Did you know nominations/Ina Hartwig These are my 5th–7th noms
• Comment: I feel the first two hooks work with the full or abbreviated title. ALT2 has unusual phrasing if it's worth saving for 1 April. There are other interesting things about the Genie article if it's felt that should be split, but I'd prefer to keep the other two together. The first two noms are 5× expansions, the third is a new article. If there's any repeated content in the articles (per L2), count it toward YPF's expansion; the others have more than enough.

5× expanded, 5× expanded and new article by Reidgreg (talk). Self-nominated at 17:09, 29 December 2018 (UTC).

• Date and length are fine on all 3. Personally I am going to say we should go for April Fools Day with ALT2 as that is the more interesting hook as ALT0 is a bit long winded and ALT1 loses the impact by using the abbreviation. Plus AFD this year does not have the same coincidence with Easter as last year so it can be a bit looser with language. QPQ is free for one, 2 have been done to cover the others. I don't detect much close paraphrasing beyond quotes. I will be saying good to go. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 18:22, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
• While this does seem fine from a criteria standpoint, it seems too vulgar for the Main Page. See WP:NOTCENSORED and the Main Page --Danski454 (talk) 18:49, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
  • That essay notes Each situation should be judged on its merits and I welcome the opinions of the community on this. The intention is to be surprising (for April Fool's), not shocking or vulgar. – Reidgreg (talk) 20:10, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
    • (Bit late to the party but will comment as the reviewer) That Fugging essay is not policy whereas NOTCENSORED is. Fucking Hell, we are not going down the Shit Brook as this Bastard has previously appeared on the front page (as indeed did all of the linked articles!). ALT2 is the one approved and that stands regardless of language. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 21:43, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
  • I'll add that the essay is mostly concerned with pornography and images of violence. The linked article has neither and is not about pornography (though, ironically, part of it is about censorship). It also cautions against using the f-word "in an immature manner in an attempt to be funny". It's part of the title of a notable work and is used in a neutral and relevant manner, and I feel that it shouldn't cause an uproar in the context of an April Fool's hook. However, humour is subjective so I leave judgement to the community. – Reidgreg (talk) 14:20, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

ALT2 is awkwardly phrased and makes little sense. Suggest keeping the hook simple, something like "that young people fucking scored a genie and three beavers? Gatoclass (talk) 07:57, 20 March 2019 (UTC).

I think I'll submit a formal alt for this: ALT3: that young people fucking scored three beavers? - I left out Genie because the hook is better without it - I suggest that it be presented in a separate nomination. Gatoclass (talk) 10:04, 21 March 2019 (UTC).

@Gatoclass and The C of E: That's sort of the point for an April Fool's DYK: items should present some trivia that can be presented in a manner that is possibly unbelievable to the reader and we are trying to confuse and mislead Wikipedians and visitors, not lie to them. Keep all hooks and articles completely truthful, but outrageous. ALT2 plays on the double meanings of the words genie, beaver, recognize and the phrase YPF to purposefully cause ambiguity and confuse/mislead the reader. Although the capitals and italics gives it away, it may seem to mean one thing when it actually means another. The Wiktionary definitions at wikt:recognize include To give an award and To show appreciation of. for the literal/intended meaning (and others for the misleading meaning). If I was copy editing an article I wouldn't leave it that way, but I feel it works well as a hook for this day. Keep in mind that we also prefer to keep hooks short. – Reidgreg (talk) 12:23, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

What double meanings apply to "Genie" and "recognize"? I'm certainly not aware of any and I think the average reader will be even more puzzled. ALT2 is a mess in my opinion, makes little sense and simply doesn't work, this topic deserves a better hook IMO. Gatoclass (talk) 13:52, 21 March 2019 (UTC).

Apparently genie is also slang for synthetic cannabis. But I wish to stand by my review and the nominator's wishes of retaining all 3 articles in the hook for AFD which is why ALT2 is the only one I have approved (though of course under AFD rules, we could discard the italics and capitals to make it more amusing if the nominator wishes). The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 16:08, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Hmmm. Quite a few noms had been added since the last time I checked, so I think you're right and to compete against those we'd best lose the caps and italics to make it as ambiguous as possible:

• ALT4:... that a genie and three beavers recognized young people fucking? – Reidgreg (talk) 19:16, 22 March 2019‎

• Indeed, if the rules are there that allow for it then may as well take advantage of them. I'm revising my original review. I am now approving ALT4 as the nominator requested for that extra ambiguity. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 06:15, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

ALT4 doesn't work for the same reason as ALT2, which is that it doesn't work as a double entrendre. Beavers are either animals or female genitalia and either way they can't recognize young people fucking, so again, the hook makes no sense. Gatoclass (talk) 06:01, 25 March 2019 (UTC).

@Gatoclass: I beg to differ regarding the perceptiveness of a most proud and noble animal, and note that there are nearly a hundred things listed at Beaver (disambiguation). I appreciate your trying to spice it up with ALT3, though. Would it work better changing "scored" to "bagged three beavers and gained a genie"? "bagged three beavers and got lucky with a genie"? I'm sure there's enough sexual/drug slang that that means something. – Reidgreg (talk) 14:38, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Hmm, better Reidgreg, though I don't know why you'd prefer "bagged" to "scored" as the latter works better as a double entrendre. I'll need a little time to think about this. Gatoclass (talk) 02:15, 27 March 2019 (UTC).

Bagged adds some alliteration which I feel is a bit hookier, and also has a stronger hunting/trapping angle. I wasn't quite getting it with 'scored' though 'scored with' might be stronger. – Reidgreg (talk) 15:04, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

*Sigh* Okay, let's go with the latter suggestion then:

• ALT5: ... that young people fucking bagged three beavers and got lucky with a genie?

  We can leave the choice of "bagged" or "scored" to the set promoter. Gatoclass (talk) 04:12, 28 March 2019 (UTC).

  @The C of E: Could you please review ALT5? I'm okay with 2, 4, 5, whichever is felt best. Will try to keep an eye on the prep areas to see if one of these makes it. – Reidgreg (talk) 21:08, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

• Hi, I came by to promote this, but I don't see a source for the winners/nominees chart in 29th Genie Awards. Yoninah (talk) 11:00, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
  • A water main broke (again) near my patched phone line this morning and my dial-up may flake out at any time. If I am unable to attend to this, please unlink the Genie Award article or use a version of the hook that doesn't mention it. – Reidgreg (talk) 12:12, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

• Never mind, I searched again and found a source for the winners. You already had a source for the nominees. Restoring tick. Yoninah (talk) 12:42, 31 March 2019 (UTC)