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You think you just fell out of a coconut tree?
Kamala Harris asks "You think you just fell out of a coconut tree?" at a May 2023 White House event.
- ALT1: ... that the KHive is coconut-pilled? Source: https://www.npr.org/2024/07/21/g-s1-12556/kamala-harris-coconut-tree-meme-context-unburdened
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Patrick Gottsch
- Comment: not sure if the video would work here but it might be fun! ;,)
Created by Spaghettifier (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 9 past nominations.
Spaghettifier (talk) 18:43, 24 July 2024 (UTC).
- Will take this up for review. PanagiotisZois (talk) 20:49, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- All right. The article is both new enough (having been created just a few days ago) and long enough; more than 5.000 characters.
- The sources all are reliable and from mostly high-quality periodicals.
- A video is used within the hook, but it is in the public domain, having been created by the White House of America.
- Both hooks are properly cited, with sources that correspond to their location in the article.
Now to my "issues".
- From what I see, QPQ still needs to be done.
- For the hooks themselves, both of them could work. Admittedly, both are somewhat on the humorous side, but I guess that's the point. To hook the reader onto the article. The main hook especially is quite funny (subjective view) and takes advantage of the "Did you know that [XX]" portion of the DYK nominations. However, the second hook also brings up the word "coconut", which has become a meme of its own. Regarding this I'm curious, @Spaghettifier:, I don't suppose you have another hook in mind that uses the word "coconut tree" in it? Maybe "that Kamala Harris' mother asked her if she "just fell out of a coconut tree"?" or akin to that? PanagiotisZois (talk) 21:05, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @PanagiotisZois: thank you for the review! The QPQ is complete here. With regard to the hook, I'd prefer to make ALT0 work if possible — it's lighthearted but pretty widely recognizable at this point, and an iconic part of the article. If we need to go with something more straightforward/coconut-centric, another idea might be using this LA Times quote from the reception section:
ALT2: ... that Kamala Harris is "fully coconut"?
- Cheers — Spaghettifier (talk) 21:40, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Alternatively, ALT3:
... whether you just fell out of a coconut tree?
Spaghettifier (talk) 03:51, 25 July 2024 (UTC)- @Spaghettifier: I'm crying. XD ALT #3 is great. Honestly, I do think both this one and the main hook are about equally good, so I'll leave the final decision up to you. With the GPQ done, this is all that remains.PanagiotisZois (talk) 06:49, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Although one suggestion I do have is that for ALT3, it might be best to just omit the word "whether" altogether. PanagiotisZois (talk) 09:37, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe save this for an April Fool's hook? Bremps... 16:33, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- I will say I think this is gonna get more pageviews if it goes up before the election. I'm still gonna vote ALT0 or ALT3, up to whoever promotes. Spaghettifier (talk) 18:18, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- I agree. Waiting until next year is overkill. I will go with ALT3. It's catchy, and also includes much of the article's pagename within it. My only question is @Spaghettifier: if you wish to have it remain as is or remove "whether" from it; so that it will read as "Did you know... you just fell out of a coconut tree?".PanagiotisZois (talk) 19:15, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- I like the 'whether' because it a) messes with the form a little bit and b) doesn't automatically accuse the reader of having fallen out a coconut tree. Spaghettifier (talk) 19:21, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- I agree. Waiting until next year is overkill. I will go with ALT3. It's catchy, and also includes much of the article's pagename within it. My only question is @Spaghettifier: if you wish to have it remain as is or remove "whether" from it; so that it will read as "Did you know... you just fell out of a coconut tree?".PanagiotisZois (talk) 19:15, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- I will say I think this is gonna get more pageviews if it goes up before the election. I'm still gonna vote ALT0 or ALT3, up to whoever promotes. Spaghettifier (talk) 18:18, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe save this for an April Fool's hook? Bremps... 16:33, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Although one suggestion I do have is that for ALT3, it might be best to just omit the word "whether" altogether. PanagiotisZois (talk) 09:37, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Spaghettifier: I'm crying. XD ALT #3 is great. Honestly, I do think both this one and the main hook are about equally good, so I'll leave the final decision up to you. With the GPQ done, this is all that remains.PanagiotisZois (talk) 06:49, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @PanagiotisZois: thank you for the review! The QPQ is complete here. With regard to the hook, I'd prefer to make ALT0 work if possible — it's lighthearted but pretty widely recognizable at this point, and an iconic part of the article. If we need to go with something more straightforward/coconut-centric, another idea might be using this LA Times quote from the reception section:
All right then. ALT3 is approved as is 
.--PanagiotisZois (talk) 19:47, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
ALT3 was pulled from Queue by BD2412 per a discussion at WT:DYK, so this will need a new hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:37, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Just noting that I have struck ALT2. "Coconut" is a slur meaning "brown on the outside, white on the inside", and without the specialist knowledge that it is a quote (which should be attributed anyway), some will interpret it as racist. See also List of ethnic slurs and Banana, coconut, and Twinkie.--Launchballer 20:53, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- That's super fair. Did anyone have any objections to the original ALT1? Still works for me. Spaghettifier (talk) 16:12, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Speaking as a Brit, I think it speaks to people who know what the KHive is. I have no objection personally to ALT0, so long as quote marks are added. (There's an argument that says hooks should avoid addressing the reader as "you", which is more than a bit silly given that all hooks begin "did you know"!)--Launchballer 09:04, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- I definitely think this is different than the typical poorly-defined second person sentence, but quotation marks are fine with me. Either way works. Spaghettifier (talk) 13:29, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- I really am sorry to flip-flop on this @Spaghettifier:. Now I think about it, a hook containing nothing other than a quote would violate the spirit of WP:DYKFICTION, as she could in theory say anything. What else do you have?--Launchballer 14:55, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: Hmmm...... could alter ALT1 to be more universally comprehensible, or go with something totally different, i.e.:
* ALT4: ... that fans of Kamala Harris are coconut-pilled?
* ALT5: ... that the coconut tree meme drove D.C.-area sales of piña coladas?
Spaghettifier (talk) 16:56, 3 September 2024 (UTC)- I could AGF approve ALT5, however ALT4 says "fans of Kamala Harris" and the article and source say "Democratic operatives" and I'm not convinced they're the same thing.--Launchballer 17:32, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Here is a source referencing online supporters' coconut-pilledness (now included in the article); here is the source for ALT5. Spaghettifier (talk) 17:43, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- I know what the source for ALT5 is; it's paywalled, so I can't access it. ALT4 now corresponds with the source, but not with the article. (If it's to mention the KHive, then the previous sentence needs an end-of-sentence citation.)--Launchballer 17:55, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- I think the sentence "The term "coconut-pilled", parodying the redpilled men's rights phenomenon, indicated support for a Harris candidacy among Democratic operatives and voters," which uses the Week citation, adequately covers ALT4, no? (Here is an archived version of the citation for ALT5.) Spaghettifier (talk) 03:59, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think it does. The hook says "fans of Kamala Harris" and the article says "Democratic operatives and voters", which are not the same thing. (I just had an election in my country and I know a lot of people who don't much care for Keir Starmer but do care about getting the Tories out, and surely there are Labour Party employees who would rather they were still working for Jeremy Corbyn.) I am happy to approve ALT5.--Launchballer 06:04, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- OK, thanks! Spaghettifier (talk) 14:20, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think it does. The hook says "fans of Kamala Harris" and the article says "Democratic operatives and voters", which are not the same thing. (I just had an election in my country and I know a lot of people who don't much care for Keir Starmer but do care about getting the Tories out, and surely there are Labour Party employees who would rather they were still working for Jeremy Corbyn.) I am happy to approve ALT5.--Launchballer 06:04, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- I think the sentence "The term "coconut-pilled", parodying the redpilled men's rights phenomenon, indicated support for a Harris candidacy among Democratic operatives and voters," which uses the Week citation, adequately covers ALT4, no? (Here is an archived version of the citation for ALT5.) Spaghettifier (talk) 03:59, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- I know what the source for ALT5 is; it's paywalled, so I can't access it. ALT4 now corresponds with the source, but not with the article. (If it's to mention the KHive, then the previous sentence needs an end-of-sentence citation.)--Launchballer 17:55, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Here is a source referencing online supporters' coconut-pilledness (now included in the article); here is the source for ALT5. Spaghettifier (talk) 17:43, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- I could AGF approve ALT5, however ALT4 says "fans of Kamala Harris" and the article and source say "Democratic operatives" and I'm not convinced they're the same thing.--Launchballer 17:32, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: Hmmm...... could alter ALT1 to be more universally comprehensible, or go with something totally different, i.e.:
- I really am sorry to flip-flop on this @Spaghettifier:. Now I think about it, a hook containing nothing other than a quote would violate the spirit of WP:DYKFICTION, as she could in theory say anything. What else do you have?--Launchballer 14:55, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- I definitely think this is different than the typical poorly-defined second person sentence, but quotation marks are fine with me. Either way works. Spaghettifier (talk) 13:29, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Speaking as a Brit, I think it speaks to people who know what the KHive is. I have no objection personally to ALT0, so long as quote marks are added. (There's an argument that says hooks should avoid addressing the reader as "you", which is more than a bit silly given that all hooks begin "did you know"!)--Launchballer 09:04, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- That's super fair. Did anyone have any objections to the original ALT1? Still works for me. Spaghettifier (talk) 16:12, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Just noting that I have struck ALT2. "Coconut" is a slur meaning "brown on the outside, white on the inside", and without the specialist knowledge that it is a quote (which should be attributed anyway), some will interpret it as racist. See also List of ethnic slurs and Banana, coconut, and Twinkie.--Launchballer 20:53, 21 August 2024 (UTC)