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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 21:56, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

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Yocemento, Kansas

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Kansas City Union Station
Kansas City Union Station
  • Comment: An additional source is a plaque that was installed in the Kansas City Union Station in 1999, but since removed due to remodeling for the new street car line. Preservation of the plaque with intention of re-installation is confirmed by the Kansas City Museum's Director of Collections & Curatorial Services, Denise Morrison, 2018.

5x expanded by IveGoneAway (talk). Self-nominated at 21:59, 8 December 2018 (UTC).

  • This impressive article is a five-fold expansion and is new enough and long enough. The image is appropriately licensed, the hook facts are cited inline, the article is neutral and I detected no policy issues. I have struck ALT1 because abandoned mills don't produce cement. No QPQ needed here. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:31, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Hi, I came by to promote this, but I don't understand what's hooky about it. Are you trying to pun on the three different city names? Also, the part about when the factory closed seems completely superfluous. Yoninah (talk) 17:18, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Hi. Thank you for the comments. I am sorry for the delay, I had to make a sudden business trip to New England this week. The hook has a couple of elements. One is the Union Station itself, which is a particularly notable railroad architecture. The other is the juxtaposition of the huge building in Metropolitan Kansas City with the diminutive Ghost Town on the other end of the state. A secret hook that I have not attempted to propose is the irony of the infamous Kansas City concrete syndicate shutting down the upstart competition. I am open to any changes in the hook, but I think it would be best to have suggestions on how to phrase the original hook to satisfy Cwmhiraeth's sense of sentence tense. I am stuck with editing on my phone for the next few days, but maybe suggested wording could be something like "... cement made in 19 something by the now long abbandoned cement mill..."? (I am also giving thought to how to improve the first hook.
IveGoneAway (talk) 23:52, 17 January 2019 (UTC) 03:34, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
  • The use of the cement in the Station was a community DYK Hook decades before there was an Internet. The small-town source of the cement was notible enough for the Kansas City History Museum to commemorate it. From the record hyperbole, the business was a point of community pride even decades after closure; but the 70s saw the last of the newspaper nostalgia articles on the mill (hence my effort to recover and preserve the history). The Fort Hays limestone cement history is an interesting element of the ephemeral post-fontier industrialization of the Plains, some are on the National Register. LafargeHolcim has recently reopened a few of the historic praire cement quarries, and many new FH quarries have been opened near and northeast of Hays, but IMO, the historic Hogback should be preserved. IveGoneAway (talk) 16:20, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
  • I understand you want to preserve the history of the mill. All I'm asking is to remove the date at the end to keep the hook snappy. You might even pipe the link:
  • ALT0a: ... that the Kansas City Union Station (pictured) was constructed with Portland cement made by a mill in Yocemento? Yoninah (talk) 19:27, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
  • So, I'm home, now. Is editing the already approved hook per User:Yoninah acceptable at this date? IveGoneAway (talk) 02:47, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Of course. If you approve ALT0a (without the date), I'll go ahead and promote it. Yoninah (talk) 10:15, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Glossary: By me "approving" you mean me accepting the reviewer comments/changes? OK with me (I accept ALT0a). By "promoting" you mean, putting it in the Prep queue, OK with me. (from your OP, I interpreted "promoting" as something else, but now I know, I think, thank you for your help/work). So, what happened was you saw it was approved by review, came to prep it, but just wanted the hook improved first. OK. IveGoneAway (talk) 13:26, 22 January 2019 (UTC) 13:28, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
  • @IveGoneAway: You got it. Sorry, I'm so used to the DYK lingo that I thought you understood me. Restoring tick for ALT0a per Cwmhiraeth's review. Yoninah (talk) 14:20, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Hold on. I'm going over the article before promoting it, and notice that nowhere does it identify the product as Portland cement, with a citation. I understand that's the name of the company, but do the offline cites say that they used Portland cement to build the Union Station? Yoninah (talk) 14:24, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
  • I doubt it. Pretty much in construction, "cement" implies Portland Cement; non-Portland can't harden under water or in construction casting forms; it has to dry out before it can react with CO2 in the air. I originally linked to Cement, but Portland Cement is more accurate. The "At Home" source only says "Cement produced in Yocemento...". The plant only made Portland cement. But change the link to Cement if you need to.
Hmmmm, for another expansion article ... Dewey, OK and Wichita Union Station IveGoneAway (talk) 21:29, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
  • OK, I'm promoting it with just "cement". It's obvious from the image that the whole thing is made of cement. Yoninah (talk) 21:53, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
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