Template:Did you know nominations/Weichenwang

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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 20:09, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Weichenwang

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~~... that a spectral knight on a white horse is sometimes seen riding toward Weichenwang to visit his lover?~~

Comment: Appropriate for Halloween

5x expanded by Peter Flass (talk). Self-nominated at 17:25, 25 September 2017 (UTC).

article expanded sufficiently and big enough overall. Written neutrally. Has (just) enough inline references. Article doesn't say "spectral" or "ghostly" white horse like hook says...Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:57, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

Comment: the article doesn't refer to either the man or the horse as spectral. However, the final two sentences of that section are both questions, and questions like this have no business in an encyclopedic article. These sentences will have to be revised or removed. I also think that if there is an entire section on Hemmadhäddlers, the term needs to be explained or at least translated so readers understand what the section is about. Also, the word "flurnames" is used but not explained; it is not an English word and should be translated. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:19, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

This article was translated more or less one-for-one from the corresponding German article. You're correct on the lack of reference to the "Schimmelreiter" as spectral. Most Google references that turn up relate to the Theodor Storm novel or movies based on it. From what I have found he is apparently a common character in German folklore, appearing in various places around the country, but little documented. I think between the novel and the other appearances Germans would know he is spectral, but this needs to be added for English speakers. As far as the questions, these are translated directly from the German, and do emphasize the Schimmelreiter's ghostly character. I thought they were appropriate in a section about a character from folklore where the questions are part of the legend, but that' s just my opinion.

As to the Hemmadhäddlers, I was unable to find a translation. The word itself seems (to me) to be Schwäbisch. I hesitate to try to define them, they seem to be another form of boogeymen. Unlike the Schimmelreiter they may be just a local legend.

"Flurnames" is usually translated "field names", which seems to about as useful in translation as the original German Wikipedia has an article on them at Flurname. Peter Flass (talk) 19:41, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

Flurname seems to be ususlly left untranslated. An interesting translatoion might be "microtoponym" - a name for a very small location. Peter Flass (talk) 00:32, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

I added "spectral" to the article and converted the questions to statements. Peter Flass (talk) 12:19, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments. I added a citation for Pyrene (it is usually assumed to be Heuneburg rather than here, but the translated article mentions here as a possible location). By chance I watched a video that discussed it just the other day. The Oetinger citation applies to both paragraphs in the "Antiquities" section. It is ref'd in the second para. I don't know where best to put it. Peter Flass (talk) 00:27, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

Can you translate the "flurnames" then in the article? Also, I have added two ^{[citation needed]} tags. The comment about Pyrene is pretty significant and should have some sort of supporting citation. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:42, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

Note to Peter Flass: you still haven't translated "flurnames" in the article as requested. Please let us know when that is accomplished. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:01, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

I had inserted the translation as a note. I pulled it into the text and left flurname in parens. I'm not happy with "microtoponyms" as a translation, but I guess both terms are technical. I tried to think of a good circumloquotion, but came up empty - something like "a place-name for a very small localized area." Peter Flass (talk) 11:28, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

ok ready to go. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:08, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi, I came by to promote this, but added a "citation needed" tag to one paragraph per Rule D2. Also, there is no inline cite for the hook fact. Also, it is hardly encyclopedic to state this sentence as fact: Many times in stormy autumn weather a Schimmelreiter is seen riding toward the Weichenwang (Heiligenwang) from the old castle of Burtel near Hossingen, the remains of which are visible today. We usually say "a Schimmelreiter is supposedly seen", or "a Schimmelreiter is said to ride toward...". Yoninah (talk) 21:29, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

The paragraph tagged "citation needed" actually had the citation in the next paragraph, since this all came from the same source.I moved the reference. I added "said to be" as noted above. The paragraph started "Another old tale tells", so I had thought this was sufficient, and went on to relate the story. Peter Flass (talk) 14:54, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

@Peter Flass: thank you. So how do you want to word the hook?
ALT1: ... that according to legend, a spectral knight on a white horse is sometimes seen riding toward Weichenwang to visit his lover? Yoninah (talk) 23:16, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Sounds good. Peter Flass (talk) 01:21, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Great. Offline and foreign-language hook refs AGF and cited inline. Rest of review per Casliber. ALT1 good to go. Yoninah (talk) 14:05, 29 November 2017 (UTC)