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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:55, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

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Walk-in-the-water (steamboat)

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Created by Gwillhickers (talk). Self-nominated at 01:17, 5 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Article length and age are fine, no copyvio or plagiarism concerns (did some tweeks on this) and Earwig now reads 8.3% as any violation unlikely as only a book title shows, reliable sources are used. Picture checks as copyright free. Hook is interesting. QPQ has been done. Article is Ready to Go --Doug Coldwell (talk) 11:04, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
  • If this is to run in the lead image slot, could we have a jazzier hook? Yoninah (talk) 18:00, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
  • IMO, the hook is very interesting, is a historical first, and reflects well at the stage of steamship development and commerce in and around the Great Lakes during that day. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 18:50, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
  • That's nice. Would you like to promote it too? Yoninah (talk) 19:06, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Don't understand the question. It was promoted by the above reviewer, who also found the hook interesting, and moved to the Approved page by another editor. The fact used in the hook is the reason I researched and created this article, as it's the most distinguishing and significant fact. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 19:16, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Sometimes it helps to add more to the hook beyond it being the "first". Like: ' ... that the Walk-in-the-water (pictured), the first steamboat to run on the Great Lakes, also did this/featured that. Yoninah (talk) 19:25, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
Okay, that would be even more interesting. How about this?: (To avoid too many links in the hook, the links for Buffalo and Cleveland can be found in the article.)
Thanks for the extra ALT's. However, 'hauled by oxen', and 'greeted by people', are lesser details. 'First on the lakes' and the 'maiden voyage' are the most significant facts. I'm hoping we can go with the approved original hook, out of simplicity, or ALT1, just for the sake of the added and other significant fact. I've contacted the original reviewer for further opinion. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 20:15, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Can we tweak ALT1 this way:
  • ALT1a: ... that in 1818, the Walk-in-the-water (pictured) made her maiden voyage from Buffalo to Cleveland, becoming the first steamboat to run on the Great Lakes? Yoninah (talk) 20:23, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Fine by me -- fewer words, and better grammatical flow. Thanks(!) -- Gwillhickers (talk) 20:26, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
  • ALT1a hook refs verified and cited inline. Rest of review per Doug Coldwell. ALT1a good to go. Yoninah (talk) 20:31, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
  • ALT1a hook is more interesting to me and cited correctly. Good To Go as far as I am concerned.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 20:38, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Sorry, but according to my sources, the first steamboats on the Great Lakes were Frontenac and Ontario, both of which ran on Lake Ontario in 1816. Gatoclass (talk) 18:28, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Gatoclass Thanks for catching that. I had a feeling that using the general term Great Lakes might be too broad of a term. Will use the more specific phrase used in the original hook.
  • ALT1b is supported by McGreevy reference.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 09:12, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
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