Template:Did you know nominations/Uptown Hudson Tubes
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by StudiesWorld (talk) 12:42, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
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Uptown Hudson Tubes
[edit]- ... that the Uptown Hudson Tubes between New York and New Jersey took over 30 years to complete? Source: ASCE. "Construction of the subway tunnel under the Hudson River between New York and New Jersey stretched out over a period of more than three decades beginning in 1874 ... On the afternoon of February 25, 1908, President Theodore Roosevelt pressed a button from the White House that turned on electrical power to the system.
- ALT1:... that the Uptown Hudson Tubes between New York and New Jersey, which started construction in 1874, wasn't complete until 1908? Source: ASCE
- ALT2:... that the Uptown Hudson Tubes under Sixth Avenue in New York City are located both between and above another set of subway tunnels? Source: NY Times 1940 for subway tunnels on the outside, NY Times 1961 for subway tunnels below
Improved to Good Article status by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 17:36, 8 June 2019 (UTC).
Recently promoted GA, article is well-sourced, no copyvios detected, and the hooks are cited to reliable sources. I have a preference for ALT2, as it really highlights an unusual quality of the tunnels' structure, in contrast to many projects (e.g. the second avenue subway) that took many years from conception/initial construction to opening. @Epicgenius: QPQ still needed, otherwise good to go. ComplexRational (talk) 01:41, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
- @ComplexRational: Thanks for the review. I've completed a QPQ. epicgenius (talk) 00:08, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
@Epicgenius: Thank you. All set now. ComplexRational (talk) 01:55, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
Returning from prep for further work on the hook per discussion at WT:DYK#Prep 1, reprinted below:
- ... that the Uptown Hudson Tubes under Sixth Avenue in New York City are located both between and above another set of subway tunnels?
@Epicgenius, ComplexRational, and Cwmhiraeth: This hook sounds really niche and is honestly kinda hard to understand. Can something else be used as the hook instead? I know the reviewer stated their preference for this hook, but looking at the nomination again, ALT0 and to a lesser extent ALT1 actually sound more appealing to a broad audience. Another potential direction, which wasn't raised in the nomination, could be to mention that the tubes have a sharp curve to avoid demolishing basements (the specific quote is: This sharp curve, which follows the streets above it, was necessitated to avoid the demolition of preexisting basements during construction.
). Thoughts? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:40, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
- Narutolovehinata5, sure. How about this: ... that the Uptown Hudson Tubes in New York City make sharp curves to avoid the demolition of preexisting basements during construction? epicgenius (talk) 23:54, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
- Could be rephrased to something like "basement during its construction" or something to that effect, but it sounds better. Would like to hear ComplexRational's thoughts though since they were the original reviewer. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:00, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
- When I originally suggested ALT2, I will admit that I found it interesting, and it stood out more than ALT0 and ALT1 because it seemed that many other engineering projects took several decades to complete. I can see how it may sound niche, so I will suggest a possible rephrasing, but will not object to dropping it altogether if no satisfactory wording is found. I'm also fine with ALT0 or the new hook proposed here (which I'll call ALT3) with a small correction.
- ALT2a:... that two more sets of subway tunnels were later built around and below the Uptown Hudson Tubes under Sixth Avenue in New York City?
- ALT3a:... that the Uptown Hudson Tubes in New York City were constructed with sharp curves to avoid the demolition of preexisting basements?
- ALT3b:... that the Uptown Hudson Tubes in New York City make sharp curves to avoid the demolition of preexisting basements during their construction?
- Any other suggestions or alternate phrasings are of course welcome. ComplexRational (talk) 13:52, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
- ALT2a is clearer but ultimately doesn't solve the nicheness issue. A new reviewer here is needed to make a final decision. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:00, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
- When I originally suggested ALT2, I will admit that I found it interesting, and it stood out more than ALT0 and ALT1 because it seemed that many other engineering projects took several decades to complete. I can see how it may sound niche, so I will suggest a possible rephrasing, but will not object to dropping it altogether if no satisfactory wording is found. I'm also fine with ALT0 or the new hook proposed here (which I'll call ALT3) with a small correction.
- Could be rephrased to something like "basement during its construction" or something to that effect, but it sounds better. Would like to hear ComplexRational's thoughts though since they were the original reviewer. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:00, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
- Approving ALT3a and ALT3b. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:15, 27 July 2019 (UTC)