Template:Did you know nominations/Two Pieces of Nuts

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The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 20:15, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

Two Pieces of Nuts

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~~... that in the Hungarian folktale Two Pieces of Nuts, to woo the king a woman promises to bear children with a moon on the chest and a star on the forehead?~~ Source: Banó István. "Két szem magyaró". In: ''Ethnographia'' [hu] 50. évf. 1-2. sz. (1939). pp. 159-161.
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Created by User:KHR FolkMyth and nominated by Evrik at 04:39, 6 April 2022 (UTC).

Review in progress. Venkat TL (talk) 14:10, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
Evrik can you rephrase this line so that it is more clear. "They begin the count while interlacing their mother's and their story. " Venkat TL (talk) 14:58, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
Done. --evrik ^(talk) 15:24, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
- The title of the story in the DYK should be in Italics. Venkat TL (talk) 15:44, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
Interesting:
Other problems: - WP:DYKSG#C6

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Nothing on Earwig's. AGF on foreign language source. Fascinating folklore. The image is free, consider adding the image too. Venkat TL (talk) 16:35, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

@Venkat TL and Evrik: Wouldn't a hook covering folk tale plot fall afoul of WP:DYKSG#C6? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 22:21, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

In the real world, it is a Hungarian folktale.--evrik ^(talk) 22:34, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

- - I'm not understanding? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 23:43, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
    - evrik, theleekycauldron has pointed a genuine issue with the DYK that I had missed. What they are saying is that the hook is about fiction without real life implications. This is not allowed according to the consensus that currently exists on DYKRULES. I have updated my review table to reflect this. Can you suggest another DYK that is about real life implication of the topic? Venkat TL (talk) 06:59, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

I think that the words Hungarian folktale tie it to the real world, but here is an alternate:

Alt1 "... that the Hungarian folktale Two Pieces of Nuts, is similar to other folktales that feature endangered children who return to tell their story.

--evrik ^(talk) 03:00, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

I promoted the original per nom. I am a pretty strong advocate of not having plot-only hooks (for the typical reasons) but as folk stories are at least pseudo-historical, I would accept this based on that. Kingsif (talk) 22:00, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
Per Wikipedia talk:Did you know#Prep 7: Two Pieces of Nuts (nom) I have pulled the hook for now over concerns that the hook doesn't meet the "needs a real-world connection" criterion. A new hook may be needed here. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:23, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

How about going super obscure, like one of these?

Alt2 ... that Two Pieces of Nuts was collected in Baranya?
Alt3 ... that István Banó found Two Pieces of Nuts in Baranya?

The only other thing that comes to mind would be a hook about the ATU classification, but that feels like a reach. ezlev (user/tlk/ctrbs) 04:33, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

@Ezlev, Narutolovehinata5, Kingsif, Theleekycauldron, and Venkat TL: --evrik ^(talk) 14:04, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

I think my main concern with both hooks is that neither hook makes sense unless you're familiar with the geography of Hungary, which I imagine would be most of our readership. With that said, I can at least understand the opinion of "it's vague on purpose since it could tempt people to read more", so I will bow to consensus on this one. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:42, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
I also think that the second suggestion is misleading because the article uses the term "collected" rather than "found". I think the second suggestion would be a better option than the first if "found" was changed to "collected". Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:44, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Alt3a ... that István Banó collected Two Pieces of Nuts in Baranya?

--evrik ^(talk) 15:24, 27 April 2022 (UTC)