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The following discussion is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Allen3 talk 12:58, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

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Tuya Soy

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  • ... that despite being in rotation on various radio stations in the United States, "Tuya Soy" failed to chart in Billboard magazine?

Created/expanded by DivaKnockouts (talk). Self nominated at 02:47, 13 June 2013 (UTC).

  • I am having trouble seeing how the hook is interesting. Many songs don't chart in Billboard magazine. SL93 (talk) 05:19, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
  • I see your point, but I thought since the song was in continued rotation on more than one radio station the United States and it didn't chart in Billboard magazine would seen be interesting and controversial. How about this alt? — DivaKnockouts 18:00, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
  • ... that according to Miami's WPOW radio station PD, Kid Curry, the commercial failure of "Tuya Soy" was the fault of the record label?
  • That hook is fine and verified. The article is long enough, new enough, has no plagiarism, and the references are reliable. Sorry for taking a while to get back to the review. SL93 (talk) 17:50, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
  • No worries. Thank you for your review. — DivaKnockouts 18:00, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
  • The hook may be understood in certain circles, but the locution "Miami's WPOW radio station PD, Kid Curry" isn't going to make sense to a large fraction of Wikipedia's readers, including me. The abbreviation "PD" should not be used in either the article or the hook. (Does it mean "program director"?) Furthermore, unless Kid Curry is notable (am I supposed to recognize this name?), the hook probably should be reworded to say something like this:
  • ... that a radio station program director blamed the commercial failure of "Tuya Soy" on the record label? --Orlady (talk) 18:11, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
  • Support hook proposed by Orlady. — DivaKnockouts 18:41, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
The article language about "PD" Kid Curry has been fixed. However, I've looked at the source and it does not support the hook in either version. It quotes Curry as saying that the record labels don't promote this style of music, and he mentioned this song as an example, but he didn't say that this song would have been commercially successfully with better promotion. --Orlady (talk) 21:34, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
Isn't that implied here though? — DivaKnockouts 02:02, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
It might be implied by what he said, but we can't credit him with something he didn't actually say. The hook fact needs to be clearly and explicitly supported by sources. (Also note that "putting two and two together" is a form of original research, except when "two and two" are actual numbers. Original research is not allowed in Wikipedia.) --Orlady (talk) 12:00, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

I propose this alternate hook, then:

The article still "puts words on the mouth" of Kid Curry, by indicating that he made a statement that he didn't make. As for the hook, I don't believe it's supported by either the article or the cited source. As near as I can determine, the song wasn't "promoted" at all, at least not in the U.S. --Orlady (talk) 20:40, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
I've fixed the first part and now propose this hook:
  • Erm, no. My reaction to that one would be "so what?" (Compare it to "... that a librarian received a hot new book in the mail?") After fooling around with the article, I suggest a return to a variation on the first hook:
  • ALT7 ... that "Tuya Soy" is one of Ivy Queen's better known songs and is featured on compilation albums, but it failed to chart as a single in Billboard magazine?
Needs a fresh reviewer. --Orlady (talk) 18:34, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
  • Suggesting a slightly smoother version of ALT7 (still the same length):
  • ALT7a: ... that "Tuya Soy", one of Ivy Queen's better-known songs and featured on a number of compilation albums, failed to chart as a single in Billboard magazine? —BlueMoonset (talk) 01:38, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
Long enough, new enough. No copyvios found, minor edits made. The most recent hook, ALT7a, is approved. Drmies (talk) 01:58, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
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