Template:Did you know nominations/Trump alternate electors controversy

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The result was: promoted by RoySmith (talk) 15:12, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Trump fake electors plot

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... that Donald Trump and his attorneys John Eastman and Rudy Giuliani spoke to some 300 Republican state legislators in an effort to overturn the 2020 United States presidential election? Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/willard-trump-eastman-giuliani-bannon/2021/10/23/c45bd2d4-3281-11ec-9241-aad8e48f01ff_story.html
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Created by Soibangla (talk). Nominated by FormalDude (talk) at 23:39, 26 July 2022 (UTC).

ALT1: ... that Donald Trump and his attorneys John Eastman and Rudy Giuliani spoke to some 300 Republican state legislators to convince them to overturn the 2020 U.S. presidential election by approving alternate electoral slates? Antony–22 (^talk⁄_contribs) 04:02, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

* ALT1 has a better wikilink target; however, there is some preliminary discussion about the article title. I don't know the procedures for DYK nominations (especially if there are deadlines), but ideally the title discussion will wrap up expeditiously, one way or the other, before a DYK goes active. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 09:54, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

Antony-22, ALT1 is interesting but is too long. Hooks need to be 200 characters at most, yours is 219. The main hook, or the shortened ALT1, may be considered for review. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 02:49, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

ALT2a: ... that Donald Trump and his attorneys John Eastman and Rudy Giuliani spoke to some 300 Republican state legislators to convince them to approve alternative electoral slates in the 2020 U.S. election?
ALT2b: ... that Donald Trump and his attorneys John Eastman and Rudy Giuliani spoke to some 300 Republican state legislators to convince them to approve fake electors in the 2020 U.S. election?

There's discussion going on about whether "alternative" or "falsified" is better, so I'm providing both options at this time. Antony–22 (^talk⁄_contribs) 05:33, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

ALT3: ....(195 characters of readable prose, I think)... that Donald Trump's allies John Eastman and Rudy Giuliani tried to convince more than 300 Republican state legislators to ignore the vote and instead send fake electors to the electoral college in the 2020 US presidential election? NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 05:51, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Since "fake electors" blows away every other "(adjective) electors" that I have researched, I kinda think the article title should be changed per WP:COMMONNAME NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 05:51, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

That one is even worse, because my character counter shows 230 characters (ALT2a/b have 195 characters, though they may benefit from making the hook shorter). Also, please resolve the alternate/fake elector issue before proceding further. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 12:31, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Oops, thanks for catching that. I didn't realize my version of Word counts characters with... and without spaces. I used the without number.NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 12:02, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

@FormalDude and Szmenderowiecki: Where are we with this nomination? Are there any outstanding concerns? Z1720 (talk) 19:45, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Both ALT2s pass formal criteria but IDK if they are going to be in DYK. I'm not the one who decides here. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 20:24, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Full review needed, including the hooks. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:37, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

With the RM now completed, I'm proposing an additional hook. ––FormalDude talk 03:37, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

ALT4: ... that Trump's fake electors plot saw his personal attorneys John Eastman and Rudy Giuliani speak to some 300 Republican state legislators in an effort to overturn the 2020 U.S. presidential election?

I want to point out that calling it "Trump's plot", which is different than the actual article title, is potentially a WP:BLPCRIME issue. It's a fact that the fake electors were voting for Trump, but due to the strictness of BLPCRIME there needs to be at least an indictment and preferably a conviction to give someone "ownership" of a conspiracy. ALT2b does not have these issues. I'll leave it up to the promoter to decide. Antony–22 (^talk⁄_contribs) 02:47, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Approving original hook --evrik ^(talk) 18:39, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

@Evrik: Can you please explain why you declined ALT2b and ALT4? ––FormalDude talk 20:04, 27 August 2022 (UTC)