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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:13, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

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Improved to Good Article status by Anarchyte (talk). Self-nominated at 11:19, 16 February 2018 (UTC).

  • Article is good, but I am not really feeling the DYK questions, the first one is typical for many games and the second is kind of obvious. How about "that Tooth and Tail is set in a 19th century society of anthropomorphic animals?" or alternatively "that in Tooth and Tail, animals fight to decide which species will be eaten?" (I like the 2nd one a lot better)ZXCVBNM (TALK) 05:13, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
@Zxcvbnm: Yeah, we'll go with ALT3: "...that in Tooth and Tail, animals fight to decide which species will be eaten?" Anarchyte (work | talk) 08:04, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
Okay, I'd say the article is ready for DYK then.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 17:01, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Sorry, but since Zxcvbnm suggested the hook, they may not also approve it. Independent reviewer requested to review ALT3. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:32, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
  • Here is a full review: New enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. I agree that ALT3 is the better hook, but I don't see it in the article and it needs an inline cite. QPQ done. Yoninah (talk) 20:04, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah: Usually, plot doesn't need sourcing. Here's a source that I'll put in the article now. [1] Anarchyte (work | talk) 22:29, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
  • @Anarchyte: you're right, plot summary doesn't need sourcing, but since you're using it as the hook fact, it does. The sentence that you cited, "in a society where anthropomorphic animals are facing chronic food shortages", doesn't match the ALT3 hook fact. Neither does the next sentence. Maybe the third, though this sentence and the source doesn't say anything about animals fighting to decide which species will be eaten. Yoninah (talk) 22:45, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah: I thought this part of the source covered it: And so we set about inventing an animal society in the midst of revolution - the squirrels, skunks, and rats are starving, and so they all turn to eating each other. It's animal cannibalism, and citizens of this crumbling animal-industrial society would rather be predators than prey. I've moved the ref to be here: ...created a lottery system that ultimately controlled who was eaten. Anarchyte (work | talk) 03:20, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
  • @Anarchyte: yes, we're reading the same source. Where does it say anything about a lottery? I think you should rewrite the line in the article to reflect the source better. All the source talks about is animals turning to cannibalism to stave off food shortages, and the anthropomorphism of the type of battlefield strategy they undertake. Then the hook should be revised. Yoninah (talk) 11:54, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
  • I've changed the article to coincide with the source. How do you suggest the hook be changed? Anarchyte (work | talk) 06:32, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
  • I don't understand; the plot summary is still talking about a lottery. Does any source say that? Regarding the hook, I know next to nothing about gameplay. Perhaps another user could help you here. Yoninah (talk) 23:59, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
  • Query: how does ALT3 meet WP:DYKSG#C6: If the subject is a work of fiction or a fictional character, the hook must involve the real world in some way. The game is a fictional construct, and this hook (and ALT2, for that matter) seems to run afoul of this provision. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:00, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
ALT4: ...that Tooth and Tail's art style was described as a modernized version of 1990's pixel art? Source:[2] " Inspired by the RTS games that we grew up on—we wanted to take the pixel art from the early 90’s" 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 13:23, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
I'm fine with changing the hook to be ALT4. Anarchyte (work | talk) 03:47, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
  • ALT4 hook ref verified and cited inline. Rest of review above. ALT4 good to go. Yoninah (talk) 12:17, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
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