Template:Did you know nominations/Tilo Medek

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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:24, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

Tilo Medek

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~~... that Tilo Medek composed music based on Lenin's Decree on Peace in East Germany and an opera after Böll's novel The Lost Honour of Katharina Blum in the West?~~ Source: [1]

Reviewed: Folk Custom Museum
Comment: ~~will add the opera and more~~ done

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 18:23, 27 December 2016 (UTC).

Article is new enough and long enough. Lead is too short. Article is well referenced and not a stub. No pic to review. It's a translation from the German wiki but new to English. The awards section could do with some refs. "From 1982, he had the music publishing house Musikverlag Edition Tilo Medek" needs correction. Article is neutral. No copyvios detected. Hook is correctly formatted. Hook tweaked. It's still a little long. What sort of piece was the Lenin? AGF on German sources which include the source for the first part of the hook. There is no inline ref immediately after the bit about the opera. Philafrenzy (talk) 11:44, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for looking, please wait a few days, - I am busy with other stuff, unfortunately. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:46, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

Good question ;) - I wrote in the article what I found about the Decree but am afraid it's interesting and unusual but very detailed. - Shorter by dropping the East-West, - perhaps the titles suggest that enough?

ALT1: ... that Tilo Medek set Lenin's Decree on Peace for speaker and percussion, and composed an opera after Böll's novel The Lost Honour of Katharina Blum? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:57, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

By "speaker" I think you mean vocalist? Why not just shorten it to him setting the Decree to a percussion soundtrack if that's what it amounted to? That's unusual enough? My other concerns are satisfied, we just need a good hook. Philafrenzy (talk) 19:26, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

What is a vocalist? I know speaker,speaking voice, narrator, recitator, - and grabbed the shortest. "Soundtrack" sounds like recorded, but it's four live percussionists in the four corners of the hall.

ALT2: ... that Tilo Medek set Lenin's Decree on Peace for speaking voice and four percussionists, and composed an opera about The Lost Honour of Katharina Blum? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:39, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

Forget Blum and stick to Lenin. "that Tilo Medek composed a percussion background to Lenin's Decree on Peace? Philafrenzy (talk) 20:40, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

But he didn't. The percussion drowns the voice, that's not background. Too harmless. - I am here for project opera, DYK? - He's an opera composer also, not just causing a little political irritation. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:45, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

Then develop a hook based on opera. Trying to combine the two doesn't seem to work now you have dropped the east and west thing. Philafrenzy (talk) 20:50, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

He did many things, mentioning opera only doesn't do justice to his complex work and life.

ALT3: ... that Tilo Medek composed Lenin's Decree on Peace, left East Germany after Biermann's expatriation, and wrote an opera on a Böll novel? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:31, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

"composed music to accompany" ? Philafrenzy (talk) 21:34, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

Why so complicated? In a melodrama (music) [de], the speaking voice is part of the music, same in other works for speaking voice and instrument, such as Der Handschuh. "Compose" means no more than "put together". I would normally say "write", but then we would have to specify "the composer", because "write" can mean many things. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:51, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

Well Lenin wrote the decree and the music accompanies the recitation of it surely? How about "... that Tilo Medek composed music to accompany Lenin's Decree on Peace and wrote an opera based on a Böll novel?" This seems to make most sense to me. We don't need to squeeze three things into the same hook. Perhaps someone else could give an opinion? I will happily tick anything there is consensus for. Philafrenzy (talk) 22:19, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

Sorry, as I just tried to explain "accompany" is too harmless, - "destroy" would be closer ;) - need sleep.

ALT4: ... that Tilo Medek set Lenin's Decree on Peace for speaking voice and four percussionists, and wrote an opera on a Böll novel? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:28, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

That's fine. on Alt 4. Philafrenzy (talk) 23:02, 4 February 2017 (UTC)