Template:Did you know nominations/The Unending Game

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:44, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

The Unending Game

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Vikram Sood during the book launch

... that in his book The Unending Game, Indian spymaster Vikram Sood (pictured) explains that the real world of espionage is less like a James Bond movie and more like a George Smiley novel? Source 1: "James Bond is fantasy, George Smiley is reality," says Vikram Sood (Yahoo News) Source 2: “James Bond is fantasy, George Smiley is real,” Vikram Sood tells us in The Unending Game: A Former R&AW Chief’s Insights Into Espionage. And that line is the soul of his book. (Firstpost)
- ALT1:... that the difference between the Indian intelligence agency RAW and Pakistani ISI is in the latter's ability to form policy, according to the book The Unending Game by spymaster Vikram Sood (pictured)? Source: "The difference between Indian and Pakistani intelligence agencies is in their ability to form policy, says Vikram Sood" (The Hindu)
- ALT2:... ~~that the intelligence agencies are the nation's sword arm and not the government's, according to the book The Unending Game by spymaster Vikram Sood (pictured)?~~ Source: "Sood calls intelligence agencies the “sword arm of the nation (not the government)" (The Indian Express)

Reviewed: Not applicable, with only 2 DYK credits

Created by DiplomatTesterMan (talk) and DBigXray (talk). Nominated by DBigXray (talk) at 12:31, 16 February 2019 (UTC).

ALT0 is approved as per discussions and review at Template:Did you know nominations/Vikram Sood. Flibirigit (talk) 16:21, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
Close paraphrasing issues, as noted at the Sood review - some of the examples discussed there apply here as well. Suggest the nominator also review other articles created/expanded that may be similarly affected. Nikkimaria (talk) 23:39, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

Y done, Nikkimaria The CLOP issues were largely introduced by User:DiplomatTesterMan who is currently on a wiki hiatus. I have gone ahead and did a copy edit of the entire article to fix the concerns that you have pointed. Kindly review again and let me know if the DYK can now proceed. DBig Xrayᗙ 16:11, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

@Nikkimaria:, have you had a chance to review any changes? Thanks. Flibirigit (talk) 16:59, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

We've somewhat centralized discussion at the other nom. Nikkimaria (talk) 18:44, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

@Flibirigit: I have addressed issues with the bio article (Vikram Sood) first on its DYK nom. Just waiting for an update from Nikkimaria related to the close paraphrasing issues. After that one has been addressed then I think I will move to this one about the book and address any remaining issues. Maybe doing it one by one will be simpler now that it is clear there are two different DYKs here? Regards. DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 14:54, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

DiplomatTesterMan, the Vikram Sood nomination has been promoted to prep. Where does this nomination stand, since you're now free to concentrate on it? Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:56, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

I will not be able to follow up on this DYK anytime soon sadly. Regards. DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 09:46, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

CLOP issues have been addressed, courtesy ping, BlueMoonset, Nikkimaria, Flibirigit DBig Xrayᗙ 12:13, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

I have not seen any new paraphrasing edits to this article since the completion of the Vikram Sood article. The easiest solution here would be to copy the approved text from the biography to here, then rephrase the remaining text as needed. Flibirigit (talk) 15:08, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

Flibirigit both the articles were being copyedited in parallel, anyway who cares if the edits were made prior to completion of Sood's bio. I am not sure what you mean by approved text. The article as it stands right now should be reviewed. Requesting you to kindly do the needful. DBig Xrayᗙ 16:59, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

It's in decent shape. There are a few bits that could still use reworking, such as the comment about psychological warfare. Nikkimaria (talk) 21:40, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

I haven't seen any changes lately. I will be offline until Monday. Nikkimaria, if you see the changes while I am gone, feel free to approve. Thanks. Flibirigit (talk) 05:51, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Working to resolve the concerns.DBig Xrayᗙ 07:51, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

There has been no edits to the article in over a month. @DBigXray: I will mark this for closure if there is no response within the next few days. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 00:43, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Y issues have been addressed, courtesy ping Narutolovehinata5, BlueMoonset, Nikkimaria, Flibirigit DBig Xrayᗙ 06:51, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

article is ready for a new review DBig Xrayᗙ 06:51, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

@Nikkimaria:, have you had a chance to review any changes? Thanks. Flibirigit (talk) 19:49, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

I'd say it's good enough as far as paraphrasing. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:40, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

restore approval as per my original review. Flibirigit (talk) 00:58, 22 April 2019 (UTC)