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The Hangover (Suzanne Valadon)

Improved to Good Article status by Viriditas (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 34 past nominations.

Viriditas (talk) 10:46, 2 January 2025 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: No - As far as I can tell, cites don't appear immediately after the relevant sentences for the van Gogh and Bruant elements of the hook, ie. "Toulouse-Lautrec's friendship with singer and nightclub owner Aristide Bruant is thought to have influenced his development of The Hangover." and "Van Gogh was present in Lautrec's studio when he began painting The Hangover, and he continued to show interest in its development."
  • Interesting: Yes
  • Other problems: No - "Modeled by" doesn't feel like quite the right phrasing; it might suggest Suzanne Valadon created a model. Maybe "based on" to keep the verb+preposition pattern, or simply "depicts"?
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Enjoyed reading this, thanks for your work! Good to go after the minor fixes above. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 19:43, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

  • The cited material appears farther down in the paragraph, with the material about Bruant and Valadon referring to Perruchot 1960, Murray 1991, and Frey 1994. Although I cited others, I neglected to note that the Van Gogh material comes from Jacques Lassaigne which is based on several things: Van Gogh's letter, which scholars used to triangulate the dates of his stay in Paris before February 1888, and Valadon's own personal account of Van Gogh showing up every Saturday in Lautrec's studio, where he originally saw the painting. It's pretty complex and I should have chosen something a bit simpler. Looking at the hook up above, it may be best if I add a hook that is slightly less convoluted. For what it's worth "modeled by" is common usage on the Model (art) page and in most art books from the 20th century (see Google Books, it is used everywhere). You're an acknowledged DYK expert, and if you had trouble following the sources, others will as well, so I think it's best if I pick a more practical hook to work with. I will do that shortly, but I will add the Lassaigne cite now. Viriditas (talk) 11:00, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
  • ALT1 added. Let me know if you need me to change it. Viriditas (talk) 12:21, 4 January 2025 (UTC)