The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by — Maile (talk) 17:23, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
ALT7:... that, for Vida, Tanya Saracho assembled an all-Latinx, "heavily queer" writers' room and a directorial team who are all Latinx or women of color? (150) Source: "She wanted an all-Latinx writers room — so, she made it happen. She wanted the writers to be heavily queer — so, she made it happen (50% of the writers identify as LGBTQ+). She wanted every director on the show to be either a woman of color or Latinx — so, she made it happen." [1]
Struck hooks
... that Tanya Saracho, creator of Starz TV show Vida co-founded Chicago's Teatro Luna, an all-Latina theatre ensemble? (120 characters) Source: "Tanya’s work has been seen at ... and Teatro Luna the Latina theatre company she founded and was artistic director of for ten years." [2][3]
ALT1:... that Tanya Saracho and Raúl Castillo were childhood friends before she wrote his storylines in Looking ...? (108) Source: "Raul Castillo was my first high school boyfriend," Saracho said. "We went to high school and college together (at Boston University). He's like a sibling. I've known him 22 years and almost every male character that I write is a version of Raul." [4]
ALT2:... that Tanya Saracho, creator of Starz TV show Vida, and actor Raúl Castillo were childhood friends and all her male characters are adapted versions of him ...? (159) Source: "Raul Castillo was my first high school boyfriend," Saracho said. "We went to high school and college together (at Boston University). He's like a sibling. I've known him 22 years and almost every male character that I write is a version of Raul." [5]
ALT3:... that Tanya Saracho, creator of Starz TV show Vida, adapted Chekhov's The Cherry Orchard into El Nogalar, set in Northern Mexico ...? (133) Sources: "Set amid the explosive drug wars in present-day Northern Mexico, El Nogalar was a modern retelling of Anton Checkov’s The Cherry Orchard, a classic with a Spanglish spin." [6]; "Chekhov is what led me to write in the north of Mexico. Chekhov is not "South Texas" to me." [7]
ALT4:... that Tanya Saracho, creator of Starz TV show Vida, wrote a play inspired by transgenderAmerican Civil War soldier Albert Cashier ...? (135) Sources: "she is writing The Good Private, a piece about Albert Cashier — a U.S. Civil War soldier who was born in Ireland as Jennie Hodgers" [8]; "Saracho is currently working on ... a historical fiction piece about a transgendered Civil War soldier titled The Good Private for About Face Theatre." [9]
ALT5:... that Tanya Saracho, creator of Starz TV show Vida, focuses her work on providing representation for the Latinagaze and redressing stereotypes ...? (149) Source: ""You know how Jill Soloway is talking about the female gaze? I'm interested in the Latina gaze for the foreseeable future." [10]
ALT6:... that, in her first TV job, VidashowrunnerTanya Saracho was told directly that she was "the diversity writer" and didn't cost the showrunner anything to hire ...? (164) Source: "Within the "first hour" of being a TV writer, her office mate "turns to me and he goes, 'You know you're the diversity writer, right?'" Later, she says, her agent both confirmed it and made it worse by explaining that it means she's free; she doesn't cost the showrunner any money." [11]
ALT8:... that Tanya Saracho's work, including her Starz TV show Vida, is generally in Spanglish, with characters mixingEnglish and Spanish ...? (136) Source: "AS: Let’s talk about the language on the show, especially the Mexican-American slang. .... // TS: That wasn’t hard, that was like me writing plays. My plays are how I speak Spanglish" [12]
ALT9:... that Tanya Saracho felt it important to include queerLatinx characters, played by queer Latinx actors, in her Starz TV show Vida ...? (135) Source: "And we didn’t explain — like, I didn’t say one of them is trans, one of them is genderqueer. They just exist, and that was really important, to have that and also to cast it with actual queer actors." [13]
ALT10:... that Sinaloa, Mexico-born writer Tanya Saracho only decided to naturalize to American citizenship because she wanted to be able to vote for Barack Obama's re-election in 2012 ...? (180) Source: "But the 2008 election convinced her the time has come. “I was like, Wait, I can’t vote for Obama. I want to be able to vote for him when he runs again.” " [14]
ALT12:... that when her show Vida was greenlit, Starz sent Tanya Saracho a hamper of Outlander items because she is a big fan of the show ...? (133) Source: "When Vida got the green light, Starz sent me this picnic basket of Jamie Fraser red wine and all these Outlander things that I'll never open because it's like my sacred thing." [17]
ALT13:... that VidashowrunnerTanya Saracho finds Juana Inés de la Cruz to be an inspiration; de la Cruz is a 17th-century nun who Saracho considers to be an early queerfeminist ...? (175) Source: "I am obsessed with Juana Inés de la Cruz. ... And she was a feminist. I think she was queer" [18][19]
ALT14:... that VidashowrunnerTanya Saracho considers as an inspiration the 17th-century nun Juana Inés de la Cruz, who she considers an early queerfeminist ...? (154) Source: "I am obsessed with Juana Inés de la Cruz. ... And she was a feminist. I think she was queer" [20][21]
Comment: I'm not great at writing hooks, so I'd appreciate some help improving them if you think they all suck.
5x expanded by OwenBlacker (talk). Self-nominated at 22:12, 30 December 2018 (UTC).
I am not going to consider any of the other hooks. I think you scared away potential reviewers by adding this many hooks. Article is new enough and long enough. Article and hook is sourced sourced. No neutrality or copyright problem detected. QPQ done. Good to go. KAVEBEAR (talk) 00:10, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
@KAVEBEAR: Thank you so much; I can completely see what you mean about scaring away potential reviewers.
Having chatted with a friend, could I ask you please to consider ALT7 instead of the original hook? From the things Saracho has said about Latina gaze and the importance of queer representation, I think ALT7 is probably the best hook to emphasise that.
Sorry again for the surfeit of hooks; I don't feel that I'm all that great at determining what's actually the most interesting, so I was hoping that some friends would help me review those before a reviewer came along to approve the DYKnom. I've struck through most of the other alternates. — OwenBlacker (talk; please {{ping}} me in replies) 14:29, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
Hi, I came by to promote this, but I see 4 open hooks, not one. @KAVEBEAR: what exactly did you approve? BTW, ALT7 seems fine to me, although I don't understand what "Latinx" is. Does it have a link? Yoninah (talk) 22:27, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
Approving ALT7 or original hook. Creator prefers ALT7. I don’t have preference. Latinx is gender neutral term for Latina or Latino. KAVEBEAR (talk) 00:15, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
OK, thanks. @OwenBlacker:, as I'm looking over the article before promotion, I notice that the lead is littered with cites for non-controversial information. (Why is there a cite after her name? If there needs to be one it should go with her full name in the first sentence under "Early life".) In the lead you say she founded Teatro Luno in 2001, and in the body text you say it was in 2000. I'd appreciate your moving the cites out of the lead and making sure the information in the body follows the sources before I proceed. Thank you, Yoninah (talk) 00:23, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
@Yoninah: Done — and a good catch on the contradictory foundation dates; I've corrected the references to "June 2000", as mentioned on their own site and in a handful of other refs. Thank you! — OwenBlacker (talk; please {{ping}} me in replies) 19:07, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
Thank you. I tried to go through most of the article, though it was difficult as your sentences are overlong and packed with information through the use of em-dashes. This would really benefit from a copy-edit. I added a "citation needed" tag where you quote something and don't give the citation for it. My opinion on the hooks is that ALT7 is all right, but I would click on something much shorter and snappier using the term "the Latina gaze". Yoninah (talk) 21:12, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
@Yoninah: Fair enough. It's a little late here for me to give it a better look tonight, but I should be able to do so at the weekend, if not sooner. I'll ping you again here once I have done. Thanks again! — OwenBlacker (talk; please {{ping}} me in replies) 22:14, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
@Yoninah: I've done some copyediting and improved some references. I think I need to give it another pass of copyedits, though. I'm away this week, but I'll give it another once-over once I'm back and I'll think about the hook some more too — OwenBlacker (talk; please {{ping}} me in replies) 11:41, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
@Yoninah and BlueMoonset: Sorry for the delay and thank you for the reminder. Hectic real-world deadlines got in the way. I've given it that second pass; I think I'm good to go now. — OwenBlacker (talk; please {{ping}} me in replies) 20:44, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
Thank you, it does read better. I reduced some of the overlinking in the ALT7 hook. As I am unable to access the reference, ALT7 hook ref AGF and cited inline. Rest of review per KAVEBEAR. ALT7 good to go. Yoninah (talk) 21:42, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
I am not going to consider any of the other hooks. I think you scared away potential reviewers by adding this many hooks. Article is new enough and long enough. Article and hook is sourced sourced. No neutrality or copyright problem detected. QPQ done. Good to go. KAVEBEAR (talk) 00:10, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
OK, thanks. @OwenBlacker:, as I'm looking over the article before promotion, I notice that the lead is littered with cites for non-controversial information. (Why is there a cite after her name? If there needs to be one it should go with her full name in the first sentence under "Early life".) In the lead you say she founded Teatro Luno in 2001, and in the body text you say it was in 2000. I'd appreciate your moving the cites out of the lead and making sure the information in the body follows the sources before I proceed. Thank you, Yoninah (talk) 00:23, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
