Template:Did you know nominations/Super V-2
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:20, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
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Super V-2
[edit]- ... that the Super V-2 was a French project to develop the V-2 rocket into a long-range missile capable of striking targets as far away as Russia?
Created by Prioryman (talk). Self-nominated at 08:36, 4 February 2017 (UTC).
@Prioryman: please read the DYK rules and supplementary rules, specifically rule D2: "The article in general should use inline, cited sources". Also, all hook facts must have inline citations in the text. The article currently has no citations at all. Mindmatrix 18:36, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
- You've come across a bit of an inconsistency between DYK's rules and Wikipedia's referencing practices, as expressed in WP:IC and WP:GENREF. I've raised this at WT:DYK#Allowing general references in DYK articles? - I'd be interested to know what you think. Prioryman (talk) 20:08, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
- I'll comment there, but in short, I prefer all non-intro sentences to have a citation. (No, I don't expect this, just prefer it.) Mindmatrix 22:07, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
New article created over redirect, nominated same day it was created, and is nearly 4kB long, satisfying length and date criteria. I believe that project 4211 was established several years before 4212, with focus of the latter shifting to the former after the US and Soviet refusal to supply parts. Source refers to variant "R2S", text states "R25". The source doesn't mention Wernher von Braun; could you provide a source for this (possibly ref 27 on the Wernher von Braun biographical page). Are source page numbers correct (the book version I see at Google Books indicates pages 179 and 180)? Regarding the hook, source states "3600km" instead of Russia; was this an intended target during the design process? (Why not mention Turkey or Libya instead?) Once these few minor issues are addressed, this can be promoted. Mindmatrix 02:03, 15 February 2017 (UTC)- @Prioryman: One more note: article refers to Centre for the Study of Self-Propelled Missiles, source refers to it as "Centre for the Study of Guided Missiles". Can you elaborate on this discrepancy? Mindmatrix 02:06, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
- Yes, you're right about the project order. I've reworded this to make it clearer. I've corrected the "R25" typo and taken out WvB - probably best to keep it simple. Page numbers fixed too. The mention of Russia isn't in the source, but it's a reasonable extrapolation from the planned range. Note that the wording of the hook doesn't say it was designed to strike Russia, merely that it was designed to strike targets as far away as Russia - i.e. within a 3600 km range. It's just a way of converting 3600 km into real-world terms - the choice of country is arbitrary, though not unreasonable given the strategic context of the time. Unfortunately the source's translation of CEPA's name is wrong. The original French name is the Centre d'études des projectiles autopropulsés, exactly as I've translated it. "Autopropulsé", obviously, is not "guided" - that would be "guidé". Guided missiles are not the same thing as self-propelled missiles (think laser-guided bombs versus rockets) and wouldn't have been within CEPA's remit. Prioryman (talk) 13:58, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
All issues with text have been addressed (BTW: I speak French moderately well and and am quite comfortable with tech/engineering terms.) As far as mentioning Russia in the hook, I'm generally OK with it, but I'll leave it to the promoter to decide if this is acceptable. Mindmatrix 15:37, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
