Template:Did you know nominations/Solid (web decentralization)
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:02, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
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Solid (web decentralization)
[edit]- ... that World Wide Web's inventor Tim Berners-Lee created the Solid Project to combat corporate consolidation and return control of data to users? Source: Katrina Brooker (1 July 2018). ""I Was Devastated": Tim Berners-Lee, the Man Who Created the World Wide Web, Has Some Regrets". Vanity Fair.
- ALT1:... that the man who invented the World Wide Web created the Solid Project as a means to fix what went wrong with the web? Source: Same source as above, plus Kathryn Krawczyk (2 July 2018). "World Wide Change: The creator of the web realizes his invention has gone way wrong". The Week.
Created by Anachronist (talk). Self-nominated at 22:37, 5 July 2018 (UTC).
Article is new, long enough (~2287 characters if you don't count the list), and QPQ has been done. However, there are some problems with the article's notability and with both hooks. Only two of the article's sources are independent of the subject and amount to significant coverage (The Week is just a summary of the Vanity Fair article). ALT0 is not included in the article as there's no mention of "corporate consolidation". ALT1 has some WP:POV problems as it assumes Solid will fix "what went wrong with the web" without specifying what this even means. FallingGravity 20:47, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
- @FallingGravity: the words "combat corporate consolidation" was my paraphrasing of the Vanity Fair article's words "reclaim the Web from corporations". Would you prefer that the original wording be used, that is for ALT0 "... that World Wide Web's inventor Tim Berners-Lee created the Solid Project to reclaim the Web from corporations and return control of data to users?" I employed similar paraphrasing for ALT1, in which the source talks about the web "having gone way wrong."
- There is no question of notability. In addition to the sources provided, Wired Magazine gave it significant coverage over a year ago, twice (here and here), and here is another one from this month that is unrelated to Vanity Fair. It uses the phrase "fixing the centralising tendencies of the internet and web" which could also be used in either ALTO or ALT1. I have incorporated that source into the article, adding a paragraph about challenges. ~Anachronist (talk) 00:26, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
- Since you added more references I'm not too worried about notability. However, the hooks are still currently problematic. Per WP:DYK Rules:
The fact(s) mentioned in the hook must be cited in the article.
There's no mention of corporations being consolidated in the article. Also, "what went wrong with the web" is so vague that it could refer to spam emails or vandalism on Wikipedia. FallingGravity 00:53, 30 July 2018 (UTC)- @FallingGravity: The DYK rules don't require using the exact wording of the sources. "Corporate consolidation" is a valid paraphrase of the cited source (perhaps "data consolidation" would be better), and is the opposite of decentralization, which is the point of the Solid project. Nevertheless, I suggested an alternative to ALT0 in my previous comment, as well as suggested a change to ALT1, both using the words in the sources themselves. Do you have a preference among these:
- ALT0: ... that World Wide Web's inventor Tim Berners-Lee created the Solid Project to reclaim the Web from corporations and return control of data to users?
- ALT1: ... that the man who invented the World Wide Web created the Solid Project as a means to fix corporate data privacy abuses on the web?
- ALT2: ... that the man who invented the World Wide Web created the Solid Project as a means to fix the data centralizing tendencies on the web?
- Are any of those preferable to my original proposals? ~Anachronist (talk) 05:19, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
- @FallingGravity: The DYK rules don't require using the exact wording of the sources. "Corporate consolidation" is a valid paraphrase of the cited source (perhaps "data consolidation" would be better), and is the opposite of decentralization, which is the point of the Solid project. Nevertheless, I suggested an alternative to ALT0 in my previous comment, as well as suggested a change to ALT1, both using the words in the sources themselves. Do you have a preference among these:
- Since you added more references I'm not too worried about notability. However, the hooks are still currently problematic. Per WP:DYK Rules:
I think ALT0 is the best hook here. My main problem with ALT1 and ALT2 is the verb "fix" is used to mean "stop" or "reverse". FallingGravity 05:58, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
- I have no problem with the verbs "stop", "reverse", or "correct" instead of "fix", if those will work better. ~Anachronist (talk) 03:52, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
