Template:Did you know nominations/Shinoridate

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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:34, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Shinoridate

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... that Shinori Fort in Hokkaido was twice sacked by Ainu?
Japanese language citation for hook (in the section headed 志苔館の沿革)

Reviewed: Sacred Heart Church of the First Peoples (here)

Created by Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk). Self-nominated at 17:25, 11 September 2019 (UTC).

Article is adequately sourced, the hook checks out from the source (both here and on the article), the article is new and long enough. The article appears to fully comply with policy and the hook is of decent length and quality. I did fix the minor issue of you having an extra row on a table. Noah^Talk 02:28, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

@Hurricane Noah: @Maculosae tegmine lyncis: unfortunately I've had to pull this one from the queue due to a possible lack of sourcing, following discussion at WP:ERRORS. The source appears to say the second event was a sacking by the Ainu but it's unclear whether the first sacking was they. Hopefully we can resolve this or come up with an alternative hook, then re-promote. — Amakuru (talk) 19:01, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

I'm also wondering if Shinori Fort is the correct title because I can't find any verification of such a name. SL93 (talk) 19:12, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi, I’m not sure if I should respond here or on the main page errors (or hopefully otherwise..), so both: the 1457 event, as linked in the article, is Koshamain’s war, where the participating Ainu sacked ten of the twelve forts, also, the two refs by the map, with “fort” used in the English source, and the ten identified in the Japanese, including that of Shinori; as for the Ainu or just Ainu, Japanese doesn’t have articles, definite or otherwise, while quite a few Ainu appear to have been acting in unison, it wasn’t necessarily all etc, and having the in the hook in isolation makes the Ainu peoples sound a bit monolithic, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 21:40, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

PS Wiktionary:館, Japanese etymology 2, says tate/date is a fort or small castle, and the photo would seem to concur! Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 21:59, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

@Maculosae tegmine lyncis: It has been a month since your last comment here, have the issues been addressed? Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 03:30, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

Hello, yes, as far as I know there weren't any: one point was based on a misunderstanding of google translate, another on one's understanding of definite articles, and the third seemingly a comment on systemic bias, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 11:47, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

- @Hurricane Noah and Amakuru: Is everything okay now? Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 09:54, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

- long enough, new enough, inline citations and close paraphrasing checks out and are good. qpq done. hook is interesting. No copyviolations, and a neautral tone overall. good to go. As far as I can see this is a justified review and the article can be used at DYK.BabbaQ (talk) 19:24, 3 November 2019 (UTC)