Template:Did you know nominations/Samuel Loudon (printer)

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 18:00, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Samuel Loudon (printer)

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~~... that the village of Fishkill in New York, became the first post office for that state by chance when the British forced the printer Samuel Loudon to flee New York City?~~
ALT2: ... that after the British Army captured New York City in 1776, Samuel Loudon fled to the village of Fishkill, where he founded New York state's first post office?

Source 1: Poughkeepsie Journal newspaper 7_4_1976 When British forces in 1776 forced publisher and printer Samuel Loudon to flee New York City with his presses, neither they nor he could have imagined this would some day make Loudon famous. ...State American Revolution Bicentennial Commission show that Fishkill was the first post office in New York State ...

Source 2: Poughkeepsie Journal newspaper 7_26_1974 Fishkill was the first Postal Station in N.Y. State. Fishkill printer Samuel Loudon ran the first Post Office in the state ...

- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Forum Thomanum
- Comment: Statements and sources supporting hook can be found in the American Revolution section. -- Hook was originated by User:Doug Coldwell

Created by Gwillhickers (talk) and Doug Coldwell (talk). Nominated by Gwillhickers at 22:49, 25 February 2022 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

Adequate sourcing:
Neutral:
Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: - Perhaps rephrase the sentence He often printed congressional resolutions in his newspaper also; it is very close to a phrase in one of the sources (and remove the redundant "also"). Otherwise, passed Earwig. — Done

Hook eligibility:

Cited: - Source for the proposed hook needs to immediately follow the sentence containing the hook.

Done -- Gwillhickers (talk) 00:45, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Interesting: - I think a better hook could be considered here. This hook completely glosses over the fact that Loudon had to flee the city due to the Revolutionary War; additionally, the post office's connection to Loudon isn't clear. There are some other interesting anecdotes in this article: that he printed the first New York State Constitution, that an angry mob of his fellow Whigs broke into his house and destroyed his writings. But if this hook is chosen, I believe it should be reworded for conciseness.

The original hook does mention the fact that Loudon was forced "to flee New York City". I'm of the opinion that that hook is okay as written and don't see how Loudon's flight from NY has been glossed over, however, ALT 2 is better worded. I would chose ALT 2 first, then maybe ALT 3 as alternative hooks. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 00:43, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
Loudon's connection to the post office was that he was the postmaster, which we've provided a link for. A postmaster is the head of the post office and oversees the handling of mails, mail routes etc. I've added text to this effect, even though we have the term linked. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 22:36, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

QPQ: Done.

Overall: @Gwillhickers: New enough, unquestionably long enough, extremely well-sourced, QPQ done. Article needs copyediting, as there are several grammatical errors: missing (or rogue) punctuation, run-on sentences, and some unclear statements. For other hooks, consider:

ALT1: ... that Samuel Loudon founded the first post office in the state of New York in the village of Fishkill in 1776?
ALT2: ... that after the British Army captured New York City in 1776, Samuel Loudon fled to the village of Fishkill, where he founded New York state's first post office?
ALT3: ... that in 1776, a group of Whigs broke into the home of publisher and fellow partyist Samuel Loudon and destroyed his manuscripts?
ALT4: ... that Samuel Loudon published the first Constitution of the State of New York in 1777?
A lot of love has gone into this article, really nice job so far. – T C Memoire 23:22, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

I believe the punctuation and grammar issues have been addressed. While some of the sentences are on the long side I'd be happy to deal with any that you feel are of particular issue here. If there are any other statements that are less than clear please point them out and I'll deal with them directly. Btw, thanks for the kind words and compliment. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 00:33, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

@Gwillhickers: I did some other copyediting and added the source footnote directly to the hook sentence, per DYK guidelines. Was this post office established in 1776 or 1777? This phrase in that paragraph is throwing me off: after the Americans took over the former British system in July 1776. Can that be clarified in the article? After that fix, should be good to go. – T C Memoire 01:58, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

@TCMemoire: Thanks for your edits to the article. Loudon fled NYC in August 1776. The post office at Fishkill was established under Loudon upon his arrival in 1776. The article text reads: ... Fishkill became the first post office in New York state after the Americans took over the former British system in July 1776. Fishkill then was considered the post office for the State of New York... The term "then" in the context its used fixes the year date at 1776. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 02:46, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Great. Should be good to go, then! – T C Memoire 03:00, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Many Thanks !!! -- Gwillhickers (talk) 03:09, 5 March 2022 (UTC)