Template:Did you know nominations/Russ Bogda

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 20:52, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Russ Bogda

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~~... that in 1957 Green Bay Packers president Russ Bogda oversaw the construction of the team's current stadium, Lambeau Field?~~ Source: "The most significant change in Packers' history came during Bogda's reign—dreaming, planning and finally completion of the new stadium."

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Moved to mainspace by Gonzo fan2007 (talk). Self-nominated at 17:11, 28 January 2019 (UTC).

Hi Gonzo fan2007, review follows: article moved to mainspace 28 January; article exceeds minimum length; article is well written and cited inline to reliable sources throughout; a spot check on sourcing found no copyright violations; hook fact is interesting enough and mentioned in the article (I think his involvement in fundraising and as president at the time is enough to qualify "oversaw"); however I couldn't find any mention of Bogda in the article used to support "However, Bogda, the Packers' board of directors, and prominent civic leaders came together to organize a public referendum on a city-led bond issuance to finance a 32,000 seat stadium at a cost of about $1,000,000" in the article? QPQ has been done - Dumelow (talk) 11:31, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks Dumelow. I have added two additional references to that sentence. Let me know if you have any other concerns. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 12:52, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks Gonzo fan2007, I see Bogda's involvement is now covered by ref 8. The text is a little too small in ref 9 for me to read but I will AGF that the cost and referendum portion of the sentence are covered by that - Dumelow (talk) 13:55, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

Just for additional clarification, the cost ("about $1,000,000"), the size ("32,000 seat"), and the fact it was a city-issued bond is covered in ref 7. Ref 5 addresses that it was a public referendum. And ref 8 and 9 clarify Bogda's role, as well as the inclusion of other members of the board and local civic leaders (city council, aldermen, etc). Cheers, « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 15:51, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

Returned from prep. Sorry, but I'm unable to understand what's hooky about this hook. It could only appeal to Green Bay Packers fans who wonder when their stadium was built. You have an article of some length here. Could you suggest a different hook please? Yoninah (talk) 16:17, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

It seemed interesting enough to me (and I have no interest in American football), but happy to review any proposed alternatives - Dumelow (talk) 09:43, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Concur with Dumelow, ALT0 was actually fairly interesting considering how famous Lambeau Field is. With that said, perhaps the hook could be revised to make it show that he was among those that actually worked for the stadium to initially be approved? At least that's what I understand from the article, correct me if I'm wrong. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 10:54, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Yoninah, I agree with Dumelow and Narutolovehinata5 that it is interesting enough, but I am open to suggestions. Narutolovehinata5, do you have a suggested alt that would include the stadium approval? I am having a tough time trying to come up with a concise alt that includes that info. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 16:26, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Something like "... that in the 1950s, Green Bay Packers president Russ Bogda was part of a group that organized a public referendum which eventually lead to the construction of Lambeau Field?" or wording to that effect. It could probably be revised further, but that might be a good starting point. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 01:49, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

ALT1: "... that in the 1950s, Green Bay Packers president Russ Bogda was part of a group that organized a public referendum to help fund the construction of Lambeau Field?" « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 15:28, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Hi Gonzo_fan2007. I had a read through the source but it wasn't immediately obvious where I could find information linking Bogda to the organising of the referendum? Could you let me know where I should be looking? Cheers - Dumelow (talk) 16:09, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Dumelow, the relevant source can be found here. Note that the Alt says he was part of a group that organized the referendum, not the only one. The rest of he article's sources support the fact that the full development of the stadium was one of his accomplishments. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 16:51, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Hi, I just read the article and think that you have other hooky facts that will appeal to a larger audience. I don't know what you'll think about this, but I'll toss it out:
ALT2: ~~... that Russ Bogda secured funding for a new stadium for a losing team?~~ Yoninah (talk) 17:13, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Yoninah, I like the idea, but hiding Green Bay Packers with "losing team" comes across as lacking a neutral POV (they aren't a losing team, they are a team that had seasons with more losses than wins). I also think that hiding Lambeau Field doesn't help, as it is arguably the most recognizable NFL stadium. I prefer Alt1. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 18:15, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Understood. I suggest this tweak of ALT1:
ALT1a: ... that in the 1950s, Green Bay Packers president Russ Bogda helped organize a public referendum to secure funding for the construction of Lambeau Field? Yoninah (talk) 18:21, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Alt1a is fine with me. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 20:05, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. Back to you, Dumelow. Yoninah (talk) 20:59, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Yoninah & Gonzo_fan2007: I am still struggling to verify that Bogda was involved in the organising of the referendum. There is no doubt the was key to getting the stadium built and that he campaigned in the referendum for a yes vote. "Organising a referendum" to me would suggest that he was somehow involved in setting it up. Can we alter the hook slightly to remove "organise"? - Dumelow (talk) 16:47, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

ALT2: ... that in the 1950s, Green Bay Packers president Russ Bogda advocated for a public referendum that secured funding for the construction of Lambeau Field? « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 17:51, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

ALT2 works for me - Dumelow (talk) 18:00, 27 February 2019 (UTC)