Template:Did you know nominations/Psalm 86
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Kingsif (talk) 18:09, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
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Psalm 86
- ... that three verses from Psalm 86 became part of Mendelssohn's oratorio Elijah, including the opening "Lord, bow thine ear to our pray'r"? Source: several
- Reviewed: Pole Vault (communications system)
- Comment: Sigh, I tried to expand, thinking of Yoninah. Strictly speaking it's still too short. Only: the part that made it "long" was unsourced and is no longer in the article, because I don't understand what it was supposed to mean, so can't source it. IAR? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:11, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
5x expanded by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 11:11, 30 June 2021 (UTC).
Regrettably, with a starting point of 833 prose characters, and a current length of 2846 prose characters (I am subtracting that odd IMSLP template-created text at the end of the Morales sentence that generated 106 characters that don't belong), this is not quite a 3.5x expansion, far from the required 5x. Even with the removed material, it didn't achieve 4x at 3259 prose characters, and IAR is simply not given for insufficient expansions. At this point, another 1301 prose characters will be needed for it to qualify for DYK. The article was nominated in time and a QPQ was supplied; given the significant length shortfall, I have not checked the sourcing against the article or made any of the policy checks. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:01, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- I'll check tomorrow, - sorry, I had other issues, and was away all weekend. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:23, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- Gerda Arendt, I should probably note that as it is now, the article doesn't discuss the psalm at all in terms of its context or religious meaning. As such, I don't feel it deals adequately with the topic, which is the psalm itself. The music section, which mentions the music written to various combinations of psalm verses, is over 75% of the prose (and it's 85% including the summary in the lead). If you do add to the article, the new material will need to concentrate on the psalm itself. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:45, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Do you have an idea who could do that? Yoninah would have done it, compare Psalm 85. This is one of about 100 psalm articles missing that part. - For indenting, please see the essay at the top of User talk:Drmies --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:14, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- JohnThorne added to the analysis. Where are we then? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:59, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
- Gerda Arendt, ignoring the odd IMSLP template-created text I mentioned above, which has yet to be removed, the article is at 3686 prose characters, and needs to be at 4165 prose characters. You might get there if the newly added first section of the Analysis, talking about the three parts, was put into prose rather than being a numbered list that doesn't count toward the total. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:30, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- BlueMoonset, thank you, that was helpful after all. I tried to avoid it as I had not written that part, but had no better idea, so tried it now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:28, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
- Gerda Arendt, ignoring the odd IMSLP template-created text I mentioned above, which has yet to be removed, the article is at 3686 prose characters, and needs to be at 4165 prose characters. You might get there if the newly added first section of the Analysis, talking about the three parts, was put into prose rather than being a numbered list that doesn't count toward the total. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:30, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- Gerda Arendt, I should probably note that as it is now, the article doesn't discuss the psalm at all in terms of its context or religious meaning. As such, I don't feel it deals adequately with the topic, which is the psalm itself. The music section, which mentions the music written to various combinations of psalm verses, is over 75% of the prose (and it's 85% including the summary in the lead). If you do add to the article, the new material will need to concentrate on the psalm itself. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:45, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- I'll check tomorrow, - sorry, I had other issues, and was away all weekend. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:23, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
Per DYKcheck, article was nominated five days after expansion began and has been expanded fivefold to over 4165 prose characters; it appears neutral, cites sources, and does not appear to have any copyvio or close paraphrasing; and the hook is neutral and the facts appear in the article, are sourced inline, and can be found in those sources. New material was added to analyze the psalm itself, as requested above. My apologies for the delay in finishing this review. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:04, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
